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North Oscotia
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Postby North Oscotia » Wed Nov 10, 2021 8:45 pm

What is the state of Norrigan at the moment in terms of post storm, functioning and support? I feel Oscotia could offer a range of services from aid to government support.
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Postby Ioudaia » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:58 pm

Ainslie wrote:
  • Ioudaia and Martenyika have been rebuilding people’s houses in Atolla

There's also a couple of small hydroelectric dams in the works; I'm planning on posting for their completion soon.

Ainslie wrote:What’s coming up?[list]
[*] I’m planning on having Kelau postpone general elections on the island for the second time running. This will make things a bit less certain in the nation and trouble the young democracy - does it choose stability for a bit longer or does it prioritise the stringency of the election process in the nation? This will have effects on Noa’s new Community Party which is trying to gain some ground yet obviously can’t if there are no elections.

Hm. Time to think of how Ioudaia will respond to that...

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Postby North Oscotia » Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:24 pm

Okay after a brief chat with Ainslie on Discord. Oscotia is willing to help aid Norregan. Perhaps even a diplomatic mission from Her Majesty Queen Charlotte IV to win hearts and minds. As for the internal aid needed, I will need further info on the current status of Norregan.
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Postby Ioudaia » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:42 pm

How is Atolla's government set up? Is there a legislature and courts?

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Postby Ainslie » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:45 pm

Ioudaia wrote:How is Atolla's government set up? Is there a legislature and courts?

Legislature (Congress), Supreme Court & President - seperation of powers intact, unitary republic.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1508435
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Postby Ioudaia » Fri Nov 12, 2021 3:48 pm

Ainslie wrote:
Ioudaia wrote:How is Atolla's government set up? Is there a legislature and courts?

Legislature (Congress), Supreme Court & President - seperation of powers intact, unitary republic.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1508435

Thanks! I knew I'd seen it somewhere, but couldn't find it.

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Postby Ioudaia » Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:58 pm

How well is the Atollan judicial system holding up IC? Ioudaia is leaning towards finding somebody with Atollan legal standing -- that is, anybody eligible to vote -- to bring the question of putting off their elections to whatever their highest court or constitutional court is.

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Postby Ainslie » Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:06 pm

Ioudaia wrote:How well is the Atollan judicial system holding up IC? Ioudaia is leaning towards finding somebody with Atollan legal standing -- that is, anybody eligible to vote -- to bring the question of putting off their elections to whatever their highest court or constitutional court is.

it's doing fine - it's rebuilt and it's a pretty average strength court for a superior court... its independent but its doesnt wield the same sort of power the ahnslen ones do... it can strike down things and rule them unconstitutional though for sure if it wishes to and yes a random on the street would probably work. keep in mind noa may want to join himself to that lawsuit though...
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"Ahnslen gitmo - instead of waterboarding, they torture inmates by making them read scholalry works on political centrism
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Postby Jeriga » Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:27 pm

Ainslie and I agreed on a system to run this election on. It's explained and recorded here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15TN ... sp=sharing

Basically, good PR things (a photo op, a rally) add to the candidates opinion odds while negative things detract them. Kelau gets a built in bias since he founded the country and is the incumbent. I roll opinion polls once a week (sunday) starting today. Community party didn't change anything this week despite Kelau doing bad things, but that's fine. I like this.
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Postby Alteran Republics » Thu Nov 18, 2021 10:27 am

I made my post, I hope it lives up to expectations and doesn't tread on anyone's feet.

Jeriga wrote:Ainslie and I agreed on a system to run this election on. It's explained and recorded here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15TN ... sp=sharing

Basically, good PR things (a photo op, a rally) add to the candidates opinion odds while negative things detract them. Kelau gets a built in bias since he founded the country and is the incumbent. I roll opinion polls once a week (sunday) starting today. Community party didn't change anything this week despite Kelau doing bad things, but that's fine. I like this.


Any chance on of an Alteran unificationist party? ;)

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Postby Ainslie » Thu Nov 18, 2021 5:48 pm

Alteran Republics wrote:I made my post, I hope it lives up to expectations and doesn't tread on anyone's feet.

Jeriga wrote:Ainslie and I agreed on a system to run this election on. It's explained and recorded here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15TN ... sp=sharing

Basically, good PR things (a photo op, a rally) add to the candidates opinion odds while negative things detract them. Kelau gets a built in bias since he founded the country and is the incumbent. I roll opinion polls once a week (sunday) starting today. Community party didn't change anything this week despite Kelau doing bad things, but that's fine. I like this.


Any chance on of an Alteran unificationist party? ;)


i mean why not - altera offers safety and comfort, altera inevitably would have to assist the recovery effort... it'd make sense to have a reunification movement i think
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ainslie: hehe alarm go brrrrr"

- Aprosia, 2021

"Ains had a panic attack. His centrism was in danger"
- Domanania, 2019

"Ahnslen gitmo - instead of waterboarding, they torture inmates by making them read scholalry works on political centrism
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"Factbooks are never finished, as Ains would say"
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Postby Jeriga » Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:46 am

Alteran Republics wrote:I made my post, I hope it lives up to expectations and doesn't tread on anyone's feet.

Jeriga wrote:Ainslie and I agreed on a system to run this election on. It's explained and recorded here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/15TN ... sp=sharing

Basically, good PR things (a photo op, a rally) add to the candidates opinion odds while negative things detract them. Kelau gets a built in bias since he founded the country and is the incumbent. I roll opinion polls once a week (sunday) starting today. Community party didn't change anything this week despite Kelau doing bad things, but that's fine. I like this.


Any chance on of an Alteran unificationist party? ;)

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Postby Ioudaia » Mon Nov 22, 2021 5:01 pm

Jeriga wrote:Basically, good PR things (a photo op, a rally) add to the candidates opinion odds while negative things detract them. Kelau gets a built in bias since he founded the country and is the incumbent. I roll opinion polls once a week (sunday) starting today. Community party didn't change anything this week despite Kelau doing bad things, but that's fine. I like this.

Are we going to get new political polls for this week?

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Postby Jeriga » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:00 pm

Ioudaia wrote:
Jeriga wrote:Basically, good PR things (a photo op, a rally) add to the candidates opinion odds while negative things detract them. Kelau gets a built in bias since he founded the country and is the incumbent. I roll opinion polls once a week (sunday) starting today. Community party didn't change anything this week despite Kelau doing bad things, but that's fine. I like this.

Are we going to get new political polls for this week?

yes, I need to roll them. It'll be based off the old stuff since nothing has happened yet


Update: Fuckers didn't change anything. 2 for Cp and 2 for Kelau. Election odds are still 1:3 :(
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Postby Ioudaia » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:08 pm

Jeriga wrote:
Ioudaia wrote:Are we going to get new political polls for this week?

yes, I need to roll them. It'll be based off the old stuff since nothing has happened yet

By "old stuff", you mean last week's posts? 'cause Atolla City now has reliable electricity, which definitely didn't have after the storm, and I don't think had didn't have it beforehand... and Kelau got a TV spot "switching it on". Should get him some good PR.
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Postby Jeriga » Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:25 pm

Ioudaia wrote:
Jeriga wrote:yes, I need to roll them. It'll be based off the old stuff since nothing has happened yet

By "old stuff", you mean last week's posts? 'cause Atolla City now has reliable electricity, which definitely didn't have after the storm, and I don't think had didn't have it beforehand... and Kelau got a TV spot "switching it on". Should get him some good PR.

I totally forgot about your damn dam.

So it's now 1:4 since the added one made him win the poll
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Postby Alteran Republics » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:56 am

So the election is a two-horse race?

That doesn't seem very ... democratic.
What happened to the People's Alteran Liberation Front? :(
That, and the People's Front of Altera
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Postby Ioudaia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:09 pm

Unless somebody objects, I'm going to play the spy-vs-spy routine of Ioudaia's intelligence services looking for "Norregan" backers of Noa for laughs. Because real tradecraft is hard to write and dull; and TWI could use some comic relief from its usual deadly seriousness.

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Postby Jeriga » Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:27 am

Alteran Republics wrote:So the election is a two-horse race?

That doesn't seem very ... democratic.
What happened to the People's Alteran Liberation Front? :(
That, and the People's Front of Altera

Weren't registered as parties prior to this, I don't think. Type up some history and an estimation of how popular they are and what their beliefs are and they'll be added. But atm, these are the two being rped
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Postby Alteran Republics » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:02 am

Jeriga wrote:
Alteran Republics wrote:So the election is a two-horse race?

That doesn't seem very ... democratic.
What happened to the People's Alteran Liberation Front? :(
That, and the People's Front of Altera

Weren't registered as parties prior to this, I don't think. Type up some history and an estimation of how popular they are and what their beliefs are and they'll be added. But atm, these are the two being rped

I was joking about those parties in particular; in general I think the party (perhaps named something like the "Alteran Solidarity Party" or "Reform Altera"; something like that, would only be a minor party since 2016. But, perhaps they'd grow in popularity in recent times following the Rains - independent government has failed - times under Alteran leadership was better - etc etc.

I'll decide on a name and write up a post here with their name and history.

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Postby Alteran Republics » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:15 am

Jeriga wrote:
Alteran Republics wrote:So the election is a two-horse race?

That doesn't seem very ... democratic.
What happened to the People's Alteran Liberation Front? :(
That, and the People's Front of Altera

Weren't registered as parties prior to this, I don't think. Type up some history and an estimation of how popular they are and what their beliefs are and they'll be added. But atm, these are the two being rped


Commonwealth and Unionist Party (commonly known as the Commonwealth Party)

Founded by Atollan businessman and native-born Lolan Cowell, the Commonwealth and Unionist Party was founded in 2010, as a political party directly supporting the continuation of direct rule of Atolla from Altera (though with local leadership). As independence grew increasingly likely in the run-up to 2016 and the implementation of a referendum, the party continued to soften its support for Alteran rule - focusing more on continued Atollan membership of the 'Alteran' Commonwealth of Republics. However, following independence being granted in 2016, the party shifted back to its routes - pushing for heightened ties with the 'Alteran' Commonwealth; though hinting at a possible future referendum for Atolla to gain statehood once again within the Alteran Republics.

The C.U. Party has gained popularity amongst traditional conservative voter-base; mainly amongst elements of the traditional-minded Middle and Working class, with around 15% of the population's vote.
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Postby Alteran Republics » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:21 am

Also, apologies for the triple post; but what is/was the state of infrastructure in Atolla?
Judging by some of the posts, it seems Atolla was some impoverished backwater - which wouldn't quite tie in with being a state under Alteran rule. What RL equivalent could Atolla be compared to?

I'm happy to accept other people's comparisons, as so far I've been very hands off with the IC and OOC posts thus far.

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Postby Belantica » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:40 pm

Ainslie wrote:
Belantica wrote:How should I enter this RP?

What do you mean? As in practically how do you come in despite not writing anything for Stage I? If that's the case, just either have your involvement begin modern day or write a news post or something recapping what you did.

Who do you plan to RP with in it? Belanticans, ex-pats, government, emergency services, local wakeites? Your answer will more clearly suggest what route to take to get involved.

Based on what has been already posted or hinted at within this thread, Belantica would come to the understanding of how seemingly fragile the democratic government of Atolla is, and would like to see that it does not fall into an authoritarian regime. Moreover, many within the business world would like to possibly influence the Atollan markets in ways that will benefit Belantic business interest in the region.

As for "who", it would probably be regular Belanticans who have interests in Atolla, and a small group within the Belantic government who wants to keep the country relatively stable.
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Postby Ainslie » Thu Nov 25, 2021 4:10 pm

Ioudaia wrote:Unless somebody objects, I'm going to play the spy-vs-spy routine of Ioudaia's intelligence services looking for "Norregan" backers of Noa for laughs. Because real tradecraft is hard to write and dull; and TWI could use some comic relief from its usual deadly seriousness.

Sounds good


Alteran Republics wrote:Also, apologies for the triple post; but what is/was the state of infrastructure in Atolla?
Judging by some of the posts, it seems Atolla was some impoverished backwater - which wouldn't quite tie in with being a state under Alteran rule. What RL equivalent could Atolla be compared to?

I'm happy to accept other people's comparisons, as so far I've been very hands off with the IC and OOC posts thus far.


Yeah, didn't think about that... umm... the capital Atolla City was okay - similar to Vanuatu. Although vulnerable, like Vanuatu is, of going multiple steps back pretty quickly. Capital went those steps back... However, outside of the city it would have always been pretty backwaterish (I'd imagine even under Alteran rule too). Power's back on, water should be restored... in the capital things are getting close to where Fiji is now thanks to all the international aid.

Belantica wrote:
Ainslie wrote:What do you mean? As in practically how do you come in despite not writing anything for Stage I? If that's the case, just either have your involvement begin modern day or write a news post or something recapping what you did.

Who do you plan to RP with in it? Belanticans, ex-pats, government, emergency services, local wakeites? Your answer will more clearly suggest what route to take to get involved.

Based on what has been already posted or hinted at within this thread, Belantica would come to the understanding of how seemingly fragile the democratic government of Atolla is, and would like to see that it does not fall into an authoritarian regime. Moreover, many within the business world would like to possibly influence the Atollan markets in ways that will benefit Belantic business interest in the region.

As for "who", it would probably be regular Belanticans who have interests in Atolla, and a small group within the Belantic government who wants to keep the country relatively stable.


How would you canonise this? Would it be something through the Rains IC, dealt with in the news thread, or somewhere else?
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ainslie: hehe alarm go brrrrr"

- Aprosia, 2021

"Ains had a panic attack. His centrism was in danger"
- Domanania, 2019

"Ahnslen gitmo - instead of waterboarding, they torture inmates by making them read scholalry works on political centrism
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Postby Alteran Republics » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:40 am

Ainslie wrote:
Yeah, didn't think about that... umm... the capital Atolla City was okay - similar to Vanuatu. Although vulnerable, like Vanuatu is, of going multiple steps back pretty quickly. Capital went those steps back... However, outside of the city it would have always been pretty backwaterish (I'd imagine even under Alteran rule too). Power's back on, water should be restored... in the capital things are getting close to where Fiji is now thanks to all the international aid.

Ah okay, I'd be onboard with that; not ideal - but I work with a fairly successful capital with an underdeveloped rural economy. Something that would change if rejoining the Confederation was successful :twisted:

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