International Freedom Coalition (OOC, APPS TEMP CLOSED)

[New Roma Republic]

I match your Nazi UFOs, and raise you one Roswell UFO

Actually, you'd have the 1933 Magenta crash

Sssshhhh, I'm trying to conduct very serious negotiations

[Organized States]

Actually, you'd have the 1933 Magenta crash

Sssshhhh, I'm trying to conduct very serious negotiations

OH SHIT! SECRETARY FORRESTAL KNEW!

*Is gagged and dragged away by dudes in dark suits*

[New Aeyariss]

OH SHIT! SECRETARY FORRESTAL KNEW!

*Is gagged and dragged away by dudes in dark suits*

*Is an alien*
Mwahahahahahahah >:)
Now I abduct you and Cuscy for questionable experiments!

Get of me, Xeno! CLEANSE, PURGE, KILL THE XENOS!

[Riysa]

*Is an alien*
Mwahahahahahahah >:)
Now I abduct you and Cuscy for questionable experiments!

Get of me, Xeno! CLEANSE, PURGE, KILL THE XENOS!

Someone say xenos?

[New Aeyariss]

Get of me, Xeno! CLEANSE, PURGE, KILL THE XENOS!

Someone say xenos?

CRUSH THE ALIEN!

HUMANITY FOR EVER!

[United States of Conner]

Get of me, Xeno! CLEANSE, PURGE, KILL THE XENOS!

Someone say xenos?

It was mentioned.

CRUSH THE ALIEN!

HUMANITY FOR EVER!

I meant an illegal alien...
I'm mexican

EDIT: Waled right into that one

But is that really what you meant, Mr. Trump?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

...Trump...

The trouble is that for every problem, there is an answer which is clear, simple, and wrong. Everybody is too scared to argue detail these days, and higher-level society is so complicated that one needs to argue detail.

And guys...Let's stop arguing over who is right, but over what is right.

Seconded. Chill pills all around, and let's continue to try to be politely constructive and discuss details.

You are better mannered in your heart than in your prose. I do beg your pardon and hope you will accept my apology for misjudging you.

Apology accepted.

Understand that while I am unapologeticly profane and short-tempered at times, I do think it is unfair to put blame on someone for something that wasn't necessarily their fault.
So if you could forgive me for jumping to erratic and/or defensive conclusions often, maybe we can start to put this behind us?

Certainly - there is no significant quarrel between us.

Whether there is still one between myself and Cuscy is for Cuscy to decide...

I know. I simply see a little bit of The Emperor Cuscy in every SACTO member: he brooks no disagreement. It's like this, you see: All hail the Emperor Cuscy! He is always right!

Actually this is entirely untrue.
Most anyone who has been on SACTO chat, OS and Aravea can confirm, has seen at least someone debate Cuscy about something.
Myself it's usually monarchy, 4GW or the future of the aircraft carrier.

But many people disagree with Cusc often, yet we remain comrades in SACTO just the same...

Is Cuscy ever persuaded?

I was once invited to SACTO by Cusc. Now there's a fascinating alternate history... if we had been allies we might have been pressured into working through our disagreements.

The trouble is that our disagreements are entirely about how OOC agreements and disagreements and styles should effect RPing - I, for instance, think that RPs should be realistically flexible to account for OOC constraints (i.e. ICly inventing reasons to avoid the complete destruction of participant's nations, which is fairer), that RPs should not need to go into detail (i.e. use of iiwiki and newspapers to present a broad outline, which is more pragmatic and encompassing), that continuity should always be preserved wherever possible (i.e. minimal RP bans, which is more inclusive) and that RPs should be equitable managed (i.e. by those who take part, which is fairer, more pragmatic, more inclusive, and more encompassing).

Cusc seems to disagree on all of these - and keeps on getting out his "I'm not RPing with you under any circumstances" card. I don't suppose there's much chance of us coming to an agreement?

Otherwise you get curbstomped and turned into an outcast by his egotistical machine.

So basically what you try to do but Cusc has friends?

That's unfair: my machine has been far less egotistical. I have welcomed opposition: I have been persuaded on dozens of issues, and even resigned from power in the IFC Council and in Hemithea to allow different opinions to take centre stage. My style and my principle is inclusivity and I have gone out of my way to include people. That is why opposition to me has managed to thrive... perhaps I should have stomped down on most of you when I had the chance?

That's because you are impossible to RP with, and you always use your influence to bully people out of RPs and turn them into outcasts.

Did you ever think that you (by 'people' I assume you are mainly referring to yourself) were kicked out of the RP because you were trying to change rules that everyone else had agreed on? I wasn't even in the Aravean RP and I know that.

You "know" what you have been told by someone else - which was my point. There are two sides to that story too, and of course you haven't heard mine. And I know Cusc's done it to others - some of whom have have left NS as a result.

Cusc, I know it may hurt to be told you've behaved somewhat like a bully, and it's given SACTO an OOCly nasty reputation (because rightly or wrongly you are pars pro toto conflated with SACTO) - but I expect you didn't know, and so I mention it in the hope of a better and more careful RPing relationship. Would you accept a new beginning?

Incidentally, on the subject of RPs, I'm looking for a right-wing nation which would like to take a few hundred million separatists in my nation - ideally the nation should be allied. Anybody interested?

[Flardania]

I was once invited to SACTO by Cusc. Now there's a fascinating alternate history... if we had been allies we might have been pressured into working through our disagreements.

meanwhile I wonder the alternate history if I declined cusc SACTO invitation

[Brytene]

Pardon me, ain't German.

With no offence, Germans don't have a good reputation where I live in. German girls have reputation of being ugly (I myself don't know why), people constantly mock German language and stereotype is that each German is SS-man.

Which I, Polish nationalist, find untrue, even with history Poland and Germany had...

Well good for you, maybe your example will show your less-enlightened neighbours that hate is wrong.

It's always ironic when people say 'all Germans are Nazis'; people who say that are actually thinking exactly like the people all those years ago who supporting Hitler.

[New Aeyariss]

The trouble is that for every problem, there is an answer which is clear, simple, and wrong. Everybody is too scared to argue detail these days, and higher-level society is so complicated that one needs to argue detail.

Nobody needs to argue about details, nor about anything. Simple and calm discussion of the event is more than enough. However, very often I seen people not even trying to debate, just arguing.

Is Cuscy ever persuaded?

I was once invited to SACTO by Cusc. Now there's a fascinating alternate history... if we had been allies we might have been pressured into working through our disagreements.

The trouble is that our disagreements are entirely about how OOC agreements and disagreements and styles should effect RPing - I, for instance, think that RPs should be realistically flexible to account for OOC constraints (i.e. ICly inventing reasons to avoid the complete destruction of participant's nations, which is fairer), that RPs should not need to go into detail (i.e. use of iiwiki and newspapers to present a broad outline, which is more pragmatic and encompassing), that continuity should always be preserved wherever possible (i.e. minimal RP bans, which is more inclusive) and that RPs should be equitable managed (i.e. by those who take part, which is fairer, more pragmatic, more inclusive, and more encompassing).

Cusc seems to disagree on all of these - and keeps on getting out his "I'm not RPing with you under any circumstances" card. I don't suppose there's much chance of us coming to an agreement?

Actually you are wrong.

1) You may ask several people I RPed with what were my propositions. I never asked for home invasion without permission; I usually proposed a proxy war, even if home invasion would have ended in ultimate destruction of my enemy. I have to remind entire IFC of Aravean war - namely, who attempted to escalate it because some nation uses torture, who threatened with nukes, or who wanted to force neutral members of the IFC into war because "SACTO violates a treaty it never agreed to sign". I have to remind you who attempted to OOCly enforce invasion on Aravea - and I can call Ara here to confirm that - OOCly starting an argument when he said "no".

2) On that, sorry, but I can not agree. Especially when it comes to military detail. How else are we supposed to determine who won? In such instance all things for which I do actually RP war, this means use of RL tactics, strategy, testing my ideas for gear - becomes null and void. I am Paramilitary IRL. There is no chance I can walk past war RPing omitting troop movements, tactics employed, Combat Orders etc. Same with intelligence considering that I also specialize in Information Warfare, and intelligence operations are my fascination. I fail to see how intelligence operations which are themes of several books (anybody here read Tom Clancy or Fredrick Forsyth? They were my inspirations when it comes to writing to a degree?).

Majority of "details" can be found by mere clicking in google. Even wikipedia has enough warfare - related information to easily begin RPing war without problems. It is not like I had not designed armies of several states that I ICly consider "enemy". Of course I won't tell them how to defeat me, but I will gladly help with any warfare - related problems. In recent war against SAA he shot half of my cruise attack, which IRL he won't even would have touched - but because he taken losses, I spared him even mentioning that .

Without details RPs are nothing. Problem is, that many people, instead of opening wikipedia or asking somebody who knows (damn, I miss times when in Kozlesk I first told New Austzeland how to attack, then I explained Stasnov how to defend himself!) simply begin arguing. There are several people who would eagerly help. Even me for example.

Problem is, when people instead of fairly cooperating make big mess out of one loss...


3) Sorry. I would be for that, but some people simply don't want to RP nice. Thus, there are the RP bans.

Is Cuscy ever persuaded?

I was once invited to SACTO by Cusc. Now there's a fascinating alternate history... if we had been allies we might have been pressured into working through our disagreements.

You "know" what you have been told by someone else - which was my point. There are two sides to that story too, and of course you haven't heard mine. And I know Cusc's done it to others - some of whom have have left NS as a result.

Cusc, I know it may hurt to be told you've behaved somewhat like a bully, and it's given SACTO an OOCly nasty reputation (because rightly or wrongly you are pars pro toto conflated with SACTO) - but I expect you didn't know, and so I mention it in the hope of a better and more careful RPing relationship. Would you accept a new beginning?

I know at least two who left NS due to behaviour of certain people in Atlas. I almost left NS several times myself too, considering what I went through by certain people (though I have to say - Elesar, ACS, you have my real respect for extending the hand to me after treating me like that. I forgiven you, and do not plan to bring it up again).

Metaphorically: You are trying to pull out a needle out of my eye without pulling the knife out of yours first.

I am well aware of my character and my bad sides. TBH I still remember Aravean war - at that point, I was told that I have to put away medical drugs I have been ordered to take for like 3 years. I wasn't suffering then - it simply made me mad and aggressive. Yeah, no denial I have bad sides.

But the problem is that you do not see what you are doing, and what you caused. Aravean war did not fell apart because of SACTO - you were major reason why it did.

There is no hate I feel to you. In fact, I proposed you several times very sensible peace agreement - you go my way, you go yours. Why can't you respect that? I post here because there are people that like me here. OS, Conner, Aurelia - I am taking this from their words, not mine. You see, I would love to RP with you on good level, but after your actions that I seen in last months, sorry - I do not believe it is possible. While I am willing to reach OOC peace and stop that arguments - that always and at any time - I do not feel I want to RP with you, though if you agree to stop OOCly bothering me, you have my word that I will recognize your nation and accept diplomatic interaction.

In short: I don't believe that more direct RPing between us is possible at the moment, however I am willing to agree on limited interaction so far.

[Brytene]

I know at least two who left NS due to behaviour of certain people in Atlas.

Now now Cusc, please don't bring Atlas into this discussion - it is between yourself and LAA.

For that note, do you guys please mind taking it to TGs if you must continue?

This is the IFC signup thread, not the "Cusc and LAA discuss their troubled past" thread

[New Aeyariss]

I know at least two who left NS due to behaviour of certain people in Atlas.

Now now Cusc, please don't bring Atlas into this discussion - it is between yourself and LAA.

For that note, do you guys please mind taking it to TGs if you must continue?

This is the IFC signup thread, not the "Cusc and LAA discuss their troubled past" thread

Pardon me. I was trying to rise a point.

Still I should not have done that, and I see your concern why. My apologizes.

[Brytene]

Pardon me. I was trying to rise a point.

Still I should not have done that, and I see your concern why. My apologizes.

[United States of Conner]

Pardon me. I was trying to rise a point.

Still I should not have done that, and I see your concern why. My apologizes.

aces 10/10

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

But our troubled past and disagreements has the potential to interfere again with IFC RPing - if you can help us to try to resolve it, or at least delineate it better, then RPing for all our mutual friends would be easier.

(Plus you'll get that warm glow inside you).

There is no hate I feel to you. In fact, I proposed you several times very sensible peace agreement - you go my way, you go yours. Why can't you respect that?

I can respect it, but I don't want it as I don't think it would be good for our friends in the IFC.

We are both involved in RPs and undoubtedly our RPing will cross paths dozens, perhaps hundreds of times in the future, and it would be much easier for everybody else involved if we could arrange what sort of basis we can RP together on, so that we don't end up in a situation where an Ausitorian member of an IFC delegation finds herself talking to a Nihonese member of a SACTO delegation in another Aravea. Ignore cannons make for very messy RPing, and it's unfair on our mutual frenemies to have to tread on eggshells around our disagreement.

I, for instance, think that RPs should be realistically flexible to account for OOC constraints (i.e. ICly inventing reasons to avoid the complete destruction of participant's nations, which is fairer)

1) You may ask several people I RPed with what were my propositions. I never asked for home invasion without permission; I usually proposed a proxy war, even if home invasion would have ended in ultimate destruction of my enemy.

Good.
But when you get on discuss the Aravean war, you were unprepared to consider how to turn the OOC agreement on no nuclear warfare into an IC agreement (either tacit or specific): which is less flexibility than I am used too.

That RPs should not need to go into detail (i.e. use of iiwiki and newspapers to present a broad outline, which is more pragmatic and encompassing)

2) On that, sorry, but I can not agree. Especially when it comes to military detail. How else are we supposed to determine who won? In such instance all things for which I do actually RP war, this means use of RL tactics, strategy, testing my ideas for gear - becomes null and void. I am Paramilitary IRL.

It is generally agreed, I believe, that (certainly for high-level non-guerrilla engagements) technology, equipment (which is a function of economic management), and political willpower is largely decisive. Why should everybody be required to go into masses of military detail?

On a more pragmatic note, it does take time to RP in detail - wikipedia is a great resource, but I don't have the time to become an expert in every form of warfare - I am not a Paramilitary IRL. I prefer government reports and iiwiki to my (probably entirely unrealistic) attempts to RP normal soldiers talking to each other - I enjoy what I am better at.

I am well aware of my character and my bad sides. TBH I still remember Aravean war - at that point, I was told that I have to put away medical drugs I have been ordered to take for like 3 years. I wasn't suffering then - it simply made me mad and aggressive. Yeah, no denial I have bad sides.

But the problem is that you do not see what you are doing, and what you caused. Aravean war did not fell apart because of SACTO - you were major reason why it did.

Our disagreement was the major reason why it did. I'd definitely agree that there were faults on both sides - looking back, I get the impression that neither of us tried very hard to agree that time. Although we have since.

But assuming we still can't agree, which is perhaps likely, surely we could compromise our beliefs a little for the good of our friends - we're really not a million miles apart, as we're arguing over fairly subtle differences in emphasis? Talking generally, for instance on point (2) I'd accept RPing with a little more military detail in RPs that you're also involved in, particularly if given a little help? And also I'd be prepared to interpret (1) with more flexibly.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if we simply agreed to talk a little before every RP where we're likely to effect each other, perhaps with a few people who we mutually respect at first to help us? If we fail to agree, the situation is no worse than at present, but I'm pretty sure that now that we're talking civilly again, we're more likely to re-develop a cordial RPing relationship.

(Which would be unarguably good for the IFC, if anybody here wants to complain that this isn't a matter for this discussion thread).

[Brytene]

Ignore cannons make for very messy RPing, and it's unfair on our mutual frenemies to have to tread on eggshells around our disagreement.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if we simply agreed to talk a little before every RP where we're likely to effect each other, perhaps with a few people who we mutually respect at first to help us? If we fail to agree, the situation is no worse than at present, but I'm pretty sure that now that we're talking civilly again, we're more likely to re-develop a cordial RPing relationship.

(Which would be unarguably good for the IFC, if anybody here wants to complain that this isn't a matter for this discussion thread).

To be fair, now that everyone has calmed down, this is a reasonable point and politely put


on the same note, Cusc are we friends again yet

[New Aeyariss]

Ignore cannons make for very messy RPing, and it's unfair on our mutual frenemies to have to tread on eggshells around our disagreement.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if we simply agreed to talk a little before every RP where we're likely to effect each other, perhaps with a few people who we mutually respect at first to help us? If we fail to agree, the situation is no worse than at present, but I'm pretty sure that now that we're talking civilly again, we're more likely to re-develop a cordial RPing relationship.

(Which would be unarguably good for the IFC, if anybody here wants to complain that this isn't a matter for this discussion thread).

To be fair, now that everyone has calmed down, this is a reasonable point and politely put


on the same note, Cusc are we friends again yet

I am wary of you, but if you don't start anything I see no issues.

[Brytene]

I am wary of you, but if you don't start anything I see no issues.

maybe if we just stick to diplomatic or journalistic or non-military RPs, eh

[New Aeyariss]

I can respect it, but I don't want it as I don't think it would be good for our friends in the IFC.

We are both involved in RPs and undoubtedly our RPing will cross paths dozens, perhaps hundreds of times in the future, and it would be much easier for everybody else involved if we could arrange what sort of basis we can RP together on, so that we don't end up in a situation where an Ausitorian member of an IFC delegation finds herself talking to a Nihonese member of a SACTO delegation in another Aravea. Ignore cannons make for very messy RPing, and it's unfair on our mutual frenemies to have to tread on eggshells around our disagreement.

That does cause problems, but there are also problems of other nature - you know exactly what one .

Good.
But when you get on discuss the Aravean war, you were unprepared to consider how to turn the OOC agreement on no nuclear warfare into an IC agreement (either tacit or specific): which is less flexibility than I am used too.

During Aravean war I was driven mad by having to suddenly put away meds I have been taking for more than 2 years.

It is generally agreed, I believe, that (certainly for high-level non-guerrilla engagements) technology, equipment (which is a function of economic management), and political willpower is largely decisive. Why should everybody be required to go into masses of military detail?

On a more pragmatic note, it does take time to RP in detail - wikipedia is a great resource, but I don't have the time to become an expert in every form of warfare - I am not a Paramilitary IRL. I prefer government reports and iiwiki to my (probably entirely unrealistic) attempts to RP normal soldiers talking to each other - I enjoy what I am better at.

And compare your post to that...

That is part of a problem. I can go in hours speaking about strategy, tactics, gear, troop movements etc. That is partially why I don't watch action movies. I know I am corrupt by this stuff, but well - as Tiger can't change his stripes, neither will I unless God tells me so.

Our disagreement was the major reason why it did. I'd definitely agree that there were faults on both sides - looking back, I get the impression that neither of us tried very hard to agree that time. Although we have since.

But assuming we still can't agree, which is perhaps likely, surely we could compromise our beliefs a little for the good of our friends - we're really not a million miles apart, as we're arguing over fairly subtle differences in emphasis? Talking generally, for instance on point (2) I'd accept RPing with a little more military detail in RPs that you're also involved in, particularly if given a little help? And also I'd be prepared to interpret (1) with more flexibly.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if we simply agreed to talk a little before every RP where we're likely to effect each other, perhaps with a few people who we mutually respect at first to help us? If we fail to agree, the situation is no worse than at present, but I'm pretty sure that now that we're talking civilly again, we're more likely to re-develop a cordial RPing relationship.

I can give you a second chance, but please behave yourself this time. And if you want to RP with me, consult me first. So will I before RPing with you.

[Brytene]

Well that aside, if anyone is looking for an RP Jumping over a broom is still open

[Aigeantir]

Pardon me, ain't German.

With no offence, Germans don't have a good reputation where I live in. German girls have reputation of being ugly (I myself don't know why), people constantly mock German language and stereotype is that each German is SS-man.

Which I, Polish nationalist, find untrue, even with history Poland and Germany had...

Well good for you, maybe your example will show your less-enlightened neighbours that hate is wrong.

It's always ironic when people say 'all Germans are Nazis'; people who say that are actually thinking exactly like the people all those years ago who supporting Hitler.

I agree with this, and in fact it's sad to see how much Germany goes out of its way today to avoid ever doing anything that might seem overly "Nazi" in mentality. Of course, one thing that I still think is a little strange is that some of the laws that had been passed during the late 30's early 40s under Hitler are still in effect (most notably laws against homeschooling), yet no one has thought that perhaps these laws should possibly be overturned, or at the very least, amended?

Well that aside, if anyone is looking for an RP Jumping over a broom is still open

I might get involved when I get the opportunity.

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

[...] And if you want to RP with me, consult me first. So will I before RPing with you.

Splendid!

And compare your post to that...

That's just it - we all prefer to do what we are good at, which is why I think it best to let RPers RP pretty much whatever aspects they want to RP. Of course that can make for slightly disconnected RPs... so I am prepared to moderate my stance.

It's always ironic when people say 'all Germans are Nazis'; people who say that are actually thinking exactly like the people all those years ago who supporting Hitler.

I agree with this, and in fact it's sad to see how much Germany goes out of its way today to avoid ever doing anything that might seem overly "Nazi" in mentality. Of course, one thing that I still think is a little strange is that some of the laws that had been passed during the late 30's early 40s under Hitler are still in effect (most notably laws against homeschooling), yet no one has thought that perhaps these laws should possibly be overturned, or at the very least, amended?

It is indeed curious that those laws are still in place... just a little bit overbearing... I do think that there is still a tiny hint of authoritarian in Germany for reasons of geography (continental countries have spent so much of their history under dictators, worrying about invasions and armies, and it's always hard to break a mode of thinking) - although in fairness that applies to all continental countries, and island countries have their own occasional tendencies of apathetic isolationism. That means that Germany is probably right to be cautious, although perhaps they could do more to support the west...

Incidentally, on the subject of RPs, I'm looking for a right-wing nation/organization which would like to take a separatist sub-nation. Anybody immediately interested?

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

That's exactly the sort of thing.

A little context: Ausitoria is approaching an election and this particular separatist sub-nation, Bvordxa (which has been the scene of the occasional terror outrage, is currently striking, and needs a bailout) could easily force a hung parliament, forcing the issue. Ausitoria wants Bvordxa to be stabilized, and is willing to shoulder most of the bailout to avoid financial meltdown and outright war, and to protect FDI. Since Bvordxa's continued membership in the Imperial Commonwealth is increasingly untenable, and since Ausitoria would prefer Bvordxa not to become an enemy, it would be highly desireable for Ausitoria if Bvordxa fell into the hands of an ally, or, if any individual ally cannot shoulder any of the monetary burden, perhaps a group of allies - Bvordxa's economy has about $25 trillion in unsustainable debt and Ausitoria would prefer that Bvordxa's new owners shoulder around half of the financial burden. Of course the burden can be spread out over several years.

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Article from the New Alexandrian Courante online version
Subsidiary of the ABC

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Bvordxa Granted Transition to Independence

Fireworks set off over Bvordxa in celebration. From Semaphore.

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IN a stunning move, devoid of niceties, the Ausitorian government announced that “in light of the latest polling evidence, showing that over three-quarters of the population of Bvordxa is in favour of independence, we will immediately be granting Bvordxa the right to self-determination”, a move greeted by fireworks and celebrations across the Bvordxa.

The move was greeted by a rise in share indexes in both countries, and a jump in the value of the Bvordexan Phaler, bringing to an end months of striking and squabbling over the Bvordxan state government’s attempts to bail out companies that the Imperial Central Bank regarded as insolvent rather than illiquid, with the unlawful revival of the Bvordexan Phaler witnessed.

History

Rumours had been floating around of secret discussions even before the Bvordxan government called for calm last month, ending six months of intermittent riots and strikes over the deindustrialization and effective annexation of their nation as an Associate State. Bvordxa, widely believed to have suffered unusually from the free-wheeling Chattakang style of globalization, elected a nationalist government last year which has been agitating for independence.

Having been thrown into a state of constitutional limbo, the industrialized northern Bvordxa has never fitted into either the Chattakang System or the Imperial Commonwealth. The Bvordxan economy has been in a recession for two quarters, ever since the start of the rioting, and unemployment has soared to 24% as people have been laid off from inefficient industries in line with the relaxed standard of Ausitorian labour laws and the use of cheaper immigrant workers. The Bvordxan National Bank and scores of industries have been allowed to fall, despite the Bvordxan government’s attempts to issue debt to prop them up, and the resurrection of the Bvordexan Phaler three months ago, which promptly fell by a third on the black market. There have even been a few terrorist outrages in the region, although these have generally been regarded as lone-wolf attacks.

New Deal

Bvordxa has already completed negotiations to simultaneously remain in the Decis Confederacy, enjoying access to the single-market, and will be opening three-party talks to enter an association with another nation to gain access to an international credit line, ideally a ten year interest-free loan on $20 trillion or equivalent. The deal will also include a decade-long bailout programme by the Imperial Commonwealth to directly aid the Bvordxan government to the tune of $12 trillion, covering a significant part of Bvordxa’s national and state debts and liabilities.

Bvordxan Economic Prospects

In spite of the deal, economist warn that in the short-term at least, Bvordxa still has little cause of celebrate. A recent report on brain drain found that large portions of the nascent Bvordxan middle class have already fled, and more are expected to follow, taking advantage of the still open borders to seek employment as the country rebuilds.

As a net recipient of Commonwealth funds, Bvordxa is expected to continue to face a cash crunch in the short term, and the government expected to introduce austerity measures , hopefully countered by loose (but not ultra-loose) monetary policy. Bvordxa has yet to decide what currency to adopt as legal tender, although the Bvordexan Central Bank has cut interest rates on the Bvordexan Phaler from 0.01% into negative territory, -0.25%. However they have not decided on further Quantitative Easing.

Despite the cut, investors believe that should the Bvordxan government manage to improve its competitiveness, the long-term future of the nation, with its industrial infrastructure and work ethic, should be bright.

Boundary Disputes

In addition, boundary demarcations in line with disputed ‘long term polling’ have ensured that what the Commonwealth government calls the ‘Outer Valexian Cultural Area’ (as opposed to ‘Outer Bvordxa’) will remain in the Imperial Commonwealth. In spite of expectations of a revanchist movement, and clear evidence of cherry-picking of the brighter spots of the economy, the Chattakang government has defended its decision on the twin grounds that there must be somewhere for loyal Bvordxans to live, and that those areas which have seen more significant Ausitorian investment will have their interests best served by Chattakang. Worries of militarization of the border have however been dampened by the alliance with the Imperial Union, and the Imperial Commonwealth’s commitment of $12 trillion to the bailout programme, conditional on Bvordxa’s approval of the demarcation.

International Effects

While whichever party funds Bvordxa would need to provide a large interest free loan or equivalent, the acquisition of a friendly protectorate-style-arrangement with Bvordxa would represent a major step-up for their power and reach, and also increase carry trade with the Ausitorian and Panethean economies. With Bvordxan assets estimated to total c. $40 trillion, and post-agreement net liabilities of c. $20 trillion, Bvordxa - once stabilized - is a prize worth having.

The independence of Bvordxa prior to the upcoming elections has also noticeably raised the likelihood of the return to power of the Liberal Free Traders in Ausitoria, leading to allegations from the opposition parties that there was a strong political motive to the expulsion of Bvordxan voters, who could reliably have been expected to vote for them. Bvordxa accounts for about 6% of the popular vote and seats in Parliament. However the Prime Minister, Henry Taylor, responded by asking “whether the opposition parties would prefer to try to rule Bvordxa as a colony?” and defended the deal as the most "liberal pragmatic" option, and the Imperial Commonwealth as voluntary.

A surge in demand for houses in and around ‘Outer Bvordxa’, on top of the surge caused by the immigrant communities, has seen prices rise and the announcement of hundreds of new construction projects, particularly in the port cities of Havograd, Eikir, New Alexandria, East Chattakang, and Beaufort. Investment flows, until recently wholly away from the area, have stabilized, with investors in search of higher returns expected to return.

On an OOC level, Bvordxa has a fairly elaborate backstory up until about twenty years - even going into details about battleships - and I'm in the midst of RPing it in several PT RPs, and would expect to continue, subject to a high level of consultation.

[Aigeantir]

I agree with this, and in fact it's sad to see how much Germany goes out of its way today to avoid ever doing anything that might seem overly "Nazi" in mentality. Of course, one thing that I still think is a little strange is that some of the laws that had been passed during the late 30's early 40s under Hitler are still in effect (most notably laws against homeschooling), yet no one has thought that perhaps these laws should possibly be overturned, or at the very least, amended?

It is indeed curious that those laws are still in place... just a little bit overbearing... I do think that there is still a tiny hint of authoritarian in Germany for reasons of geography (continental countries have spent so much of their history under dictators, worrying about invasions and armies, and it's always hard to break a mode of thinking) - although in fairness that applies to all continental countries, and island countries have their own occasional tendencies of apathetic isolationism. That means that Germany is probably right to be cautious, although perhaps they could do more to support the west...

Well, what got me was the home schooling laws, and as someone who was technically home schooled for part of my life, it kind of annoyed me that the same stupid negative attitude against home schooling I sometimes faced here was something that was not only solidified in Germany, by making home schooling illegal, but also that the laws were put in place during the Nazi era, and have never been repealed (talk about "backwards society"). During that time, the reason for those laws was to prevent parents from keeping their children away from the state indoctrination they were getting at schools, but now you would think that these laws would be repealed, but clearly teaching your children your own values, and most likely actually teaching them something is less important than letting society raise your child. Parents are expected to give up their duties to the state, and kids are forced to be taught what the state feels is good for them to know, and what their personal values should be.... But I'll stop there before I start ranting!

[Brytene]

I agree with this, and in fact it's sad to see how much Germany goes out of its way today to avoid ever doing anything that might seem overly "Nazi" in mentality. Of course, one thing that I still think is a little strange is that some of the laws that had been passed during the late 30's early 40s under Hitler are still in effect (most notably laws against homeschooling), yet no one has thought that perhaps these laws should possibly be overturned, or at the very least, amended?

I don't know, having spent time in Germany I feel like it is one of the most welcoming and modern nations in Europe, and they are certainly one of the ONLY nations to have actually learned from WWII. There are still problems with the poor-rich divide and racial tensions, but nothing like what I've seen in other nations.

I might get involved when I get the opportunity.

You'd certainly be welcome nothing will be advancing until ACS posts so no rush