[TWI Only] Senate of The Western Isles

[Doppler]

Shall we move to vote on the amendment?

[Tuernia]

On second thought, I was mistakenly thinking that the "Rights of Nations" had been left out of the constitution. As it wasn't, I see no use for this bill.

It is all either useless regulation, commonsense things that are already going to be followed, and/or unconstitutional interference with the Supreme Court's right to determine it's own proceedings.

I move to dismiss this bill.

[Dashgrinaar]

On second thought, I was mistakenly thinking that the "Rights of Nations" had been left out of the constitution. As it wasn't, I see no use for this bill.

It is all either useless regulation, commonsense things that are already going to be followed, and/or unconstitutional interference with the Supreme Court's right to determine it's own proceedings.

I move to dismiss this bill.

Seconded

[Tuernia]

Motion carries, bill dismissed.

We will now begin First Reading of Information for Reference. I've taken the liberty of putting it into the standard format.

Reference Information Act (2015)

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An Act to establish requirements for factbooks prior to roleplay.

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Factbook Requirements

(1) Before taking part in roleplay involving any nation other than itself, each nation must have one official factbook each for the categories of Military and Economy.

(2) Before taking part in any roleplay scenario that involves the use of military or economic information, each participant must have their official factbooks approved by the Secretary of Interior.

(3) After the military and economy factbooks have been checked, edited, and properly revised to fit all modern technology and regional standards by the Secretary of Interior, the factbooks shall include the prefix "(OFFICIAL)" in the title.

(4) Any nation that is using information from factbooks that have not been approved by the Secretary of Interior in international roleplay, shall be restricted from participation in roleplay until their factbooks are sorted out. No nation, however, can be restricted from private roleplay, such as newsposts, and the creation of factbooks.

Modern Technology Requirements

(1) No nation shall include any technology, statistic, or piece of information in their official factbooks that can be deemed unrealistic by modern technology roleplay standards.

a) Modern technology roleplay standards shall be defined as any technology or piece of information that follows real world trends and abides by the laws of physics.

Author: Mubaru

[Doppler]

Motion carries, bill dismissed.

We will now begin First Reading of Information for Reference. I've taken the liberty of putting it into the standard format.

Reference Information Act (2015)

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An Act to establish requirements for factbooks prior to roleplay.

---

Factbook Requirements

(1) Before taking part in roleplay involving any nation other than itself, each nation must have one official factbook each for the categories of Military and Economy.

(2) Before taking part in any roleplay scenario that involves the use of military or economic information, each participant must have their official factbooks approved by the Secretary of Interior.

(3) After the military and economy factbooks have been checked, edited, and properly revised to fit all modern technology and regional standards by the Secretary of Interior, the factbooks shall include the prefix "(OFFICIAL)" in the title.

(4) Any nation that is using information from factbooks that have not been approved by the Secretary of Interior in international roleplay, shall be restricted from participation in roleplay until their factbooks are sorted out. No nation, however, can be restricted from private roleplay, such as newsposts, and the creation of factbooks.

Modern Technology Requirements

(1) No nation shall include any technology, statistic, or piece of information in their official factbooks that can be deemed unrealistic by modern technology roleplay standards.

a) Modern technology roleplay standards shall be defined as any technology or piece of information that follows real world trends and abides by the laws of physics.

About the modern technology standards. I know Polar and Mik. build a design theyre own weapons and such. We wouldnt deem these as unrealistic would we. And I do like the idea of checking of fact books to prevent god moding and all.

[Tuernia]

About the modern technology standards. I know Polar and Mik. build a design theyre own weapons and such. We wouldnt deem these as unrealistic would we. And I do like the idea of checking of fact books to prevent god moding and all.

Senator, during First Reading we are supposed to comment on the bill's formatting, grammar, and structure.

Although these are good points to bring up in Second Reading.

As such, I move to proceed to Second Reading.

[Dashgrinaar]

About the modern technology standards. I know Polar and Mik. build a design theyre own weapons and such. We wouldnt deem these as unrealistic would we. And I do like the idea of checking of fact books to prevent god moding and all.

Senator, during First Reading we are supposed to comment on the bill's formatting, grammar, and structure.

Although these are good points to bring up in Second Reading.

As such, I move to proceed to Second Reading.

Seconded

[Tuernia]

Seconded

Motion carries, we are now in Second Reading.

Now, to address Doppler's concerns, it would be up to the Secretary of the Interior to determine if their weapons fit into MT. However, as long as they utilize the same technology as modern guns, I don't see how they wouldn't be MT.

[Vancouvia]

I would like, if I may, to say my opinion that clause 3 is disagreeable, in that I do not wish to write OFFICIAL in the title of my factbooks, nor do I think anyone else particularly wants to, nor do I think that is a necessary step in the process.

(Is it okay for Non-Senators to post? I would like to post my opinion on laws occasionally.)

[Doppler]

I would like, if I may, to say my opinion that clause 3 is disagreeable, in that I do not wish to write OFFICIAL in the title of my factbooks, nor do I think anyone else particularly wants to, nor do I think that is a necessary step in the process.

(Is it okay for Non-Senators to post? I would like to post my opinion on laws occasionally.)

I do agree with that. I do not think it is nessecary for you to write OFFICAL in your fact book. Well your the president, what do you think?

[Dashgrinaar]

I would like, if I may, to say my opinion that clause 3 is disagreeable, in that I do not wish to write OFFICIAL in the title of my factbooks, nor do I think anyone else particularly wants to, nor do I think that is a necessary step in the process.

(Is it okay for Non-Senators to post? I would like to post my opinion on laws occasionally.)

I do agree with that. I do not think it is nessecary for you to write OFFICAL in your fact book. Well your the president, what do you think?

It's not necessary, and the SoI approval could be annoying. If something is non modern, the Members of the region should help along with the SoI. I don't agree with the approval step

[Tuernia]

I agree with most of your concerns, and will be posting amendments to this bill later today when I have time.

In the meantime, I move that we allow the following posting privileges:

The President
Other Executives (when a bill affects the sphere of their office)
Supreme Court Justices (when they have concerns about a bill's constitutionality, or when a bill affects the court)
Author(s) of bills
Members invited by the Senate to speak.

[Dashgrinaar]

I agree with most of your concerns, and will be posting amendments to this bill later today when I have time.

In the meantime, I move that we allow the following posting privileges:

The President
Other Executives (when a bill affects the sphere of their office)
Supreme Court Justices (when they have concerns about a bill's constitutionality, or when a bill affects the court)
Author(s) of bills
Members invited by the Senate to speak.

Seconded, although I propose that members who have concerns should TG a senate member, and may be permitted to speak.

[Dashgrinaar]

I agree with most of your concerns, and will be posting amendments to this bill later today when I have time.

In the meantime, I move that we allow the following posting privileges:

The President
Other Executives (when a bill affects the sphere of their office)
Supreme Court Justices (when they have concerns about a bill's constitutionality, or when a bill affects the court)
Author(s) of bills
Members invited by the Senate to speak.

I would also invite the SoI to discuss with us about the current bill, as it concerns him/her.

[Wildelyn]

I shall be resume to taking the post of Speaker.

Tuernia, please update me via telegrams on things i am needed to update... Thanks.

[Doppler]

I think it is not fully necessary on having the soi look at every fact book. It should be up to the RP's to decide on if it is fair. They look at each others and if they agree then they agree and continue with RP and if they dont agree they edit their factbooks and then check again.

[Dashgrinaar]

I shall be resume to taking the post of Speaker.

Tuernia, please update me via telegrams on things i am needed to update... Thanks.

As speaker, I will ask you to telegram the current SoI, and ask them if they would like to comment on the bill currently in debate.

[Wildelyn]

I shall be resume to taking the post of Speaker.

Tuernia, please update me via telegrams on things i am needed to update... Thanks.

As speaker, I will ask you to telegram the current SoI, and ask them if they would like to comment on the bill currently in debate.

He has been invited to debate.

[Tuernia]

Seconded, although I propose that members who have concerns should TG a senate member, and may be permitted to speak.

I believe that is covered under "members invited by the Senate," although that would require an invitation of the majority. I think this is a good requirement, as we wouldn't want a Senator just allowing anyone to speak, it would defeat the purpose of the Senate itself.

[Vancouvia]

On my delegate amendment, I'd appreciate it if the percentage could be edited from 75% to 60% as that is more fair.

[Tuernia]

On my delegate amendment, I'd appreciate it if the percentage could be edited from 75% to 60% as that is more fair.

Feel free to edit it as you please until we actually begin consideration of it.

[Tuernia]

Ok, so here's my suggestion. It takes out the "official" thing and turns the SoI approval into an ex post facto thing. That way you can begin RPing without having to wait on the SoI, but if you don't have factbooks, or they're very poor, he can stop you and require you to fix them up.

Overall I approve of this bill. People should have to make a minimum of effort in order to participate in the RP world we've worked so hard to build. It also provides a good first step to help new players adjust to the game and the region, and will but the brakes on a lot of godmodding.

Reference Information Act (2015)

---

An Act to establish requirements for factbooks prior to roleplay.

---

Factbook Requirements

(1) Before taking part in roleplay involving any nation other than itself, each nation must have one official factbook each for the categories of Military and Economy.

(2) If the Secretary of the Interior feels that a nation has not carried out (1) to a satisfactory level, said nation shall be restricted from participation in international roleplay until their factbooks are sorted out. No nation, however, can be restricted from private roleplay, such as newsposts, and the creation of factbooks.

Modern Technology Requirements

(1) No nation shall include any technology, statistic, or piece of information in their official factbooks that can be deemed unrealistic by modern technology roleplay standards.

a) Modern technology roleplay standards shall be defined as any technology or piece of information that follows real world trends and abides by the laws of physics.

[Dashgrinaar]

Ok, so here's my suggestion. It takes out the "official" thing and turns the SoI approval into an ex post facto thing. That way you can begin RPing without having to wait on the SoI, but if you don't have factbooks, or they're very poor, he can stop you and require you to fix them up.

Overall I approve of this bill. People should have to make a minimum of effort in order to participate in the RP world we've worked so hard to build. It also provides a good first step to help new players adjust to the game and the region, and will but the brakes on a lot of godmodding.

Reference Information Act (2015)

---

An Act to establish requirements for factbooks prior to roleplay.

---

Factbook Requirements

(1) Before taking part in roleplay involving any nation other than itself, each nation must have one official factbook each for the categories of Military and Economy.

(2) If the Secretary of the Interior feels that a nation has not carried out (1) to a satisfactory level, said nation shall be restricted from participation in international roleplay until their factbooks are sorted out. No nation, however, can be restricted from private roleplay, such as newsposts, and the creation of factbooks.

Modern Technology Requirements

(1) No nation shall include any technology, statistic, or piece of information in their official factbooks that can be deemed unrealistic by modern technology roleplay standards.

a) Modern technology roleplay standards shall be defined as any technology or piece of information that follows real world trends and abides by the laws of physics.

The only concern I have now is the MT 1a, I feel that for real world trends, we should also add something that could allow things like Bhum's AIs or New Reyna's society, if the affected parties agree to it.

[Tuernia]

The only concern I have now is the MT 1a, I feel that for real world trends, we should also add something that could allow things like Bhum's AIs or New Reyna's society, if the affected parties agree to it.

I had assumed that "real world trends" was made deliberately vague for this purpose. As opposed to "existing in the real world."

[Dashgrinaar]

The only concern I have now is the MT 1a, I feel that for real world trends, we should also add something that could allow things like Bhum's AIs or New Reyna's society, if the affected parties agree to it.

I had assumed that "real world trends" was made deliberately vague for this purpose. As opposed to "existing in the real world."

Ok, didn't know.