The Multi-Species Union [Alliance, Main Page, OOC]

[Urran]

Technically Shota is the head delegate and Uotani is an assistant. but whatever. either or works.

Urran why u nose trust me?!? Actually I know exactly why. I wouldn't trust me either

You DO know why

[Swith Witherward]

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Member-Nations by Category:

HUMAN
CIS REPRESENTATIVE Swith Witherward
Aravea
Asharan
Empire of Atmora
Azeban
The BranRiech
Flardania
Galactic Clone Army
Gigaverse
Greater Belladonna
Gyatso-Kai
Havenburgh
Independent State AF
Klemantan-Borneo
Mincaldenteans
Monfrox
Montalia
New Roma Republic
Novia Soviet Socialist Republic
Pimps Inc
The Polarian Empire
Post War America
Rhodogate
Saint Kitten
The Seran Federation
Stormwrath - Founder
-The Trade Federation-
Uehe
Versail

Aravea, Asharan, Empire of Atmora, Azeban, The BranRiech, Flardania, Galactic Clone Army, Gigaverse, Greater Belladonna, Gyatso-Kai, Havenburgh, Independent State AF, Klemantan-Borneo, Mincaldenteans, Monfrox, Montalia, New Roma Republic, Novia Soviet Socialist Republic, Pimps Inc, The Polarian Empire, Post War America, Rhodogate, Saint Kitten, The Seran Federation, Stormwrath, Swith Witherward, -The Trade Federation-, Uehe, Versail

PONY
CIS REPRESENTATIVE Auzkhia
Arcanium of Mars
Cavallagna
Lolloh
Sulania

Arcanium of Mars, Auzkhia, Cavallagna, Lolloh, Sulania

ANTHRO
CIS REPRESENTATIVE Dyste
Anoscolia
Chernarovia
Lysset
Pentecosta
Saurisisia

Anoscolia, Chernarovia, Dyste, Lysset, Pentecosta, Saurisisia

XENO*
CIS REPRESENTATIVE Cerillium
Anhur
Au-Chesture
Divergia
Eddoren
The Lunar Domain (Mixed)
Primordial Luxa
Luxemthania
Rhodevus
Royal Imperious
Nubpryton
Planeia
Urran
Zerinfriom

Anhur, Au-Chesture, Cerillium, Divergia, Eddoren, The Lunar Domain, Luxemthania, Primordial Luxa, Rhodevus, Royal Imperious, Nubpryton, Planeia, Urran, Zerinfriom

Observer Nations:
Bentus - Human
Transgravitas Directorate/Tiltjuice - Human
The Fedral Union - Human
Lazssia - Human
Oaledonia - Human
Great Fairy Alliance - Fairy (Xeno)
Roania - Roanian (Xeno)
AHSCA - Human
Menelmacar - Elf (Human)
New Educandi - Anthro
Seraan - Talamascine (Human)
Felucian Planetary Republic - Human
Red Talons - Mixed
Naval Monte - Human
Scinan - Human
Human-equine Alliance - Human/Pony
Yukonastan - Human




FORMER MEMBERS:
Craving - Elf (Human)
Furry Alairia and Algeria - Anthro
The Kanto and Johto Region - Human
Tuva SSR - Human
The Uup Command - Uup (Xeno)

SUSPENDED MEMBERS:
Roski - Human (Suspended until further notice)


*Xeno. Please note that the species category is for non-humans, non-ponies, and non-anthros. This could include Elves. We had the Elves in with the humans way back in the day when we were still defining things. The Xeno category was the "extraterrestrial" category thus the Elf nation chose to be classified under human. That nation is no longer on NS. I'd like to move the Elves over to Xenos to cut down on the amount of workload.

[Swith Witherward]

Beans. Someone remember to change the charter's "signed on" date to whatever day we officially signed it into being.

[Yukonastan]

List me as observer please.

[Mincaldenteans]

Crap post is crap but that's what happens when work has its servers shut down and I'm on the phone. Bleh

[The Fedral Union]

Application

Basic Information

Nation Name:The United Terran Alliance
Government Type: Constitutional Federal Republic
Head of State: President Jessica Galloway
Head of Government: President Jessica Galloway
Majority Species: Terran

Military Information
Head of Defense:Classified
Military Personnel (Active): Classified
Military Personnel (Reserve): Classified

Additional Information
Membership Type (Full Fledged or Observer): Full membership
Reason to join this alliance: To Improve Interstellar Relations

Other alliances: The Galactic Economic And Security Organization

Roleplay Examples: See history.


Note: I'd like to assist in staff matters, as such I'd like to say I'm interested in the Deputy position that F & A has left vacant, I know it will be hard to fill his shoes should I attain the position but I will try my best to adhere to his standards of work ethic and work for the benefit of all alliance members. If I can do anything to help the MSU I'll try my best and assure you the highest standards would be met!

[Stormwrath]

Application

Basic Information

Nation Name:The United Terran Alliance
Government Type: Constitutional Federal Republic
Head of State: President Jessica Galloway
Head of Government: President Jessica Galloway
Majority Species: Terran

Military Information
Head of Defense:Classified
Military Personnel (Active): Classified
Military Personnel (Reserve): Classified

Additional Information
Membership Type (Full Fledged or Observer): Full membership
Reason to join this alliance: To Improve Interstellar Relations

Other alliances: The Galactic Economic And Security Organization

Roleplay Examples: See history.


Note: I'd like to assist in staff matters, as such I'd like to say I'm interested in the Deputy position that F & A has left vacant, I know it will be hard to fill his shoes should I attain the position but I will try my best to adhere to his standards of work ethic and work for the benefit of all alliance members. If I can do anything to help the MSU I'll try my best and assure you the highest standards would be met!

Accepted! Use the human sig!

[Anhur]

After talking to FA&A for an extended period I am going to clear up a lot of misunderstanding and etc. A lot of this was blown up to a proportion that it did not have to get to.

On Slavery - His nation does not actually condone slavery. It is actually mislabeled Indentured Servitude, it is all voluntary not forced, so it is not racially or species based. This is a common action among societies and is not something that you can condemn someone for, my own nation practices something similar, so does UTA and many other nations.

On "cannibalism" - Yeah there is the consumption of sapient being but again like the above it is voluntary it is not a forced racially motivated action. This is an action that is found in many primitive societies and this is just a more "humane" modern version of that and there is no action that can be taken against him for that.

On Genocide - Again a produce of mislabeling. It is not that he goes around killing members of a single race. It is state sanctioned suicide, while the rate is higher in humans that is also inflated due to the fact the amount of humans is so lower compared to Anthros. The larger amount overall is still in Anthros.

[Primordial Luxa]

My nation still would like to amend to charter as it interferes with many of our cultural practices.
But that can be dealt with a later time.

[Mincaldenteans]

After talking to FA&A for an extended period I am going to clear up a lot of misunderstanding and etc. A lot of this was blown up to a proportion that it did not have to get to.

On Slavery - His nation does not actually condone slavery. It is actually mislabeled Indentured Servitude, it is all voluntary not forced, so it is not racially or species based. This is a common action among societies and is not something that you can condemn someone for, my own nation practices something similar, so does UTA and many other nations.

On "cannibalism" - Yeah there is the consumption of sapient being but again like the above it is voluntary it is not a forced racially motivated action. This is an action that is found in many primitive societies and this is just a more "humane" modern version of that and there is no action that can be taken against him for that.

On Genocide - Again a produce of mislabeling. It is not that he goes around killing members of a single race. It is state sanctioned suicide, while the rate is higher in humans that is also inflated due to the fact the amount of humans is so lower compared to Anthros. The larger amount overall is still in Anthros.

Slavery - we never condemned FA&A for that, please take this detail out. The topic of slavery was used as an example on the cultural differences and how we as members of the MSU should accept based on how a nation that practices it. Nothing more and nothing less.

On Cannibalsim - same as above, we have been over this.

On Genocide - bluntly: then he should have explained it himself rather than step down without much say to the matter. I understand and accept that when he saw the amount of uproar the topic had started, he was mobile and therefore unable to get much out. However, and since then, there hasn't been much explanation. He was not kicked out of the MSU, nor did we demand his leaving, we did request he either explain or failing, that step down.

While I appreciate your efforts to clear the smoke that fills the air, I'd prefer -as a member- to get it from the proverbial horse's mouth rather than an intermediary.

[The Laxus Union]

I wasn't thinking. I didn't realize it was the amount of active troops. Ill change it.

[Anhur]

After talking to FA&A for an extended period I am going to clear up a lot of misunderstanding and etc. A lot of this was blown up to a proportion that it did not have to get to.

On Slavery - His nation does not actually condone slavery. It is actually mislabeled Indentured Servitude, it is all voluntary not forced, so it is not racially or species based. This is a common action among societies and is not something that you can condemn someone for, my own nation practices something similar, so does UTA and many other nations.

On "cannibalism" - Yeah there is the consumption of sapient being but again like the above it is voluntary it is not a forced racially motivated action. This is an action that is found in many primitive societies and this is just a more "humane" modern version of that and there is no action that can be taken against him for that.

On Genocide - Again a produce of mislabeling. It is not that he goes around killing members of a single race. It is state sanctioned suicide, while the rate is higher in humans that is also inflated due to the fact the amount of humans is so lower compared to Anthros. The larger amount overall is still in Anthros.

Slavery - we never condemned FA&A for that, please take this detail out. The topic of slavery was used as an example on the cultural differences and how we as members of the MSU should accept based on how a nation that practices it. Nothing more and nothing less.

On Cannibalsim - same as above, we have been over this.

On Genocide - bluntly: then he should have explained it himself rather than step down without much say to the matter. I understand and accept that when he saw the amount of uproar the topic had started, he was mobile and therefore unable to get much out. However, and since then, there hasn't been much explanation. He was not kicked out of the MSU, nor did we demand his leaving, we did request he either explain or failing, that step down.

While I appreciate your efforts to clear the smoke that fills the air, I'd prefer -as a member- to get it from the proverbial horse's mouth rather than an intermediary.

All three were points that were brought up durring the instance.

Well by the time he could respond it had gotten to the point where the problems has reached an apex. He was scared to try and race the crowd who had already been yelling about the problems where it seemed that no one was going to change his mind. The reason why he left is because he was convinced that no would change there mind and that they had decided his fate. And if he is not going to stand up for himself, I atleast will.

[Cavallagna]

All three were points that were brought up durring the instance.

Well by the time he could respond it had gotten to the point where the problems has reached an apex. He was scared to try and race the crowd who had already been yelling about the problems where it seemed that no one was going to change his mind. The reason why he left is because he was convinced that no would change there mind and that they had decided his fate. And if he is not going to stand up for himself, I atleast will.

Why is this all even an issue in the first place? I see a lot of unnecessary drama. I was hoping it'd be something fun to get into IC, not this OOC mess.

There's nothing saying he can't just come back, anyway.

[Mincaldenteans]

There's nothing saying he can't just come back, anyway.

This statement to its direct point.

We didn't kick him out, Storm never said he was booted. Cer even suggested this would be an interesting play out in IC, b/c the topic at hand is quite a valid one that can be drawn to interesting debates among all members. We didn't say FA&A had to leave as a whole, we wanted an explanation, and we didn't get one. What we got was a resignation. There's nothing to "stand up for", and the inference that we as whole ganged up and made sure to boot him out of the MSU is not appreciated.

[Anhur]

There's nothing saying he can't just come back, anyway.

This statement to its direct point.

We didn't kick him out, Storm never said he was booted. Cer even suggested this would be an interesting play out in IC, b/c the topic at hand is quite a valid one that can be drawn to interesting debates among all members. We didn't say FA&A had to leave as a whole, we wanted an explanation, and we didn't get one. What we got was a resignation. There's nothing to "stand up for", and the inference that we as whole ganged up and made sure to boot him out of the MSU is not appreciated.

I never said that people ganged up on him and kicked him out you are putting words in my mouth now. I am saying that no one was able to keep a level head. And people where not asking for an explaination really. I was the only one who said lets hear him out, I dont remember you saying that at any point.I believe you just kept going on about how if he could not explain certain things that he was in violation of the charter.

[Stormwrath]

Please read once more the disclaimer at the top page. If we accuse a member of practicing slavery, it's an IC thing, not a personal thing. This is why FA&A wasn't kicked out of the alliance. A few members even explicitly said that he shouldn't be expelled from the MSU.

[Oaledonia]

Uehe seems to gone inactive.
I'm going to TG him, and depending on his answer: I may be going for a full membership.

[Mincaldenteans]

I never said that people ganged up on him and kicked him out you are putting words in my mouth now. I am saying that no one was able to keep a level head. And people where not asking for an explaination really. I was the only one who said lets hear him out, I dont remember you saying that at any point.I believe you just kept going on about how if he could not explain certain things that he was in violation of the charter.

"Stand up for", a general term implying that one person defends another that may have been bullied or otherwise confronted by a group of people. How else should interpret that? You clearly stated if he won't stand up for himself, you will. I'm not purposely trying to not see it your way, but words have power and I got the implication thereof.

My request was made here:

To be honest and as a member I request a full explanation on this act. Furry is a Deputy Head, that means he represents the MSU to a greater extent than its nominal members and about or to equal that of the MSU founder.

Failing to explain or circumnavigating it is tantamount to omission or admittance thereof. In which case by charter: "Deputy Head of the Commission: shall be appointed by the Head of Commission to serve in their stead. The Nation providing the Deputy Head of Commission is considered a permanent Member-Nation holding a perpetual position until such time as that Member-Nation fails in its duty, ceases to exist, or withdraws from the role, or the position is revoked by a two-thirds vote by Member-Nations." Emphasis underlined. I have nothing against the player, but I feel it unjust that someone of his position can arbitrarily choose what he explains given the sensitive matter at hand. He admitted, he therefore must explain, not avoid it, not run around the perimeter of it. Its raised concerns among the members and it, by effect of his actions (or lack thereof), has question his role as the Deputy Head.

Your request was not met, neither was mine. If the explanation cannot be given by FA&A himself, I - as a person - can only conclude omission or refusal to explain is thereby circumnavigating and/or admittance to the topic at hand.

We can take this to TG if its your preference, but I won't drag this out as pointed out earlier a few post up. Thank you.

[Stormwrath]

Uehe seems to gone inactive.
I'm going to TG him, and depending on his answer: I may be going for a full membership.

Okay then. *turns to CIS members* TFU is now a full member and wants to be Deputy Head Commissioner. Who's in favor?

[Swith Witherward]

No one has condemned Furry as a player (player!Furry). No on has condemned the nation (nation!Furry) for its practices. What transpired:

1. Furry posted in the OOC that his nation committed genocide on humans. Some thought he was joking but his following posts reinforced his position.
2. Non-MSU players saw the posts. I was contacted because I help some of those groups out behind the scenes with their OSFs or legal docs.
3. I'll clarify: when you represent an organization in an official capacity, everything you do is a reflection of that organization. EVERYTHING. The MSU practices slavery. The MSU practices genocide. The MSU practices the eating of humans. The MSU discriminates against humans. The MSU wants more humans because the population is low.
4. I moved to have the offending nation removed from office as a form of extreme damage control. Our entire reputation (an essential thing for an alliance to have for gameplay purposes) had shit the bed over one player's actions. The fact is that he didn't disclose things on his application and that omission is just as bad as if he'd lied.


For the record, WTF is with the cannibalism claims? Cannibalism is the act of one species eating a member of its own species. Is nation!Furry now saying that Humans are of his own species?

Player!Furry is not barred from the thread. No one has kicked him out or suspended his membership. He took it upon himself to leave, and then hung around saying goodbye and goodbye and goodbye some more. I - as a person - do NOT chase after people to beg them to stay. As a player, I find his omission an absolutely horrid and selfish act that nearly cost us but for my mad scrambling to salvage things. I don't have any cred in II or NS...I stuck my neck out as a Mentor and took a risk for the benefit of this alliance. I believe in you people and I believe this alliance can achieve great things. Do not accuse me of not using a level head. I looked at every option before drafting my appeal, to include tearing apart Furrys' posts in search of a loophole that would grant him amnesty and support us should we elect to keep him in power. Look at my post history. I said goodnight and was about to log out when shit exploded, and I spent hours putting out fires and combing through accusations and links from other players.

Nation!Furry is welcome to remain but it can not hold a position of power. It would be a conflict of interest. We can, as a group, decide if we will defend the nation's practices under "do not interfere" and "protect the culture", but we can not excuse those practices when they are held by a nation that sits in a position that allows potential prejudices to affect the human species class.

Personally, I think he's behaving like a stubborn jackass. Common sense: allow us to RP it out so that we can clarify what is or isn't acceptable according to our doctrines... doctrines that we are establishing as a group each day.

[Swith Witherward]

Uehe seems to gone inactive.
I'm going to TG him, and depending on his answer: I may be going for a full membership.

Okay then. *turns to CIS members* TFU is now a full member and wants to be Deputy Head Commissioner. Who's in favor?

You'll probably have Cer's 'yes' vote, but I can't confirm that. Crisis at work... he's working a double and I can't reach him in the Igor Pit.

TFU is energetic and level-headed. He's involved in several quality organizations. I believe he'll work well with the CIS members, and I think you'll find him an excellent source of knowledge for your own needs, Storm. He has my "yes".

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

Thank you Swith, for calling me who I truly am. A stubborn jackass. But you need not to call me that because I already know I am a jackass.

As for the MSU, don't continue the charade anymore than it should.
I doubt that this will lead anywhere, nor will it go and do something.
I'm not going to want this to continue for this anymore. Our government has already told them of what we do. We have the business meeting here that was concluded, and that will be the end of it. Anhur, thank you, but that will be enough. I don't plan on coming back here, nor do I plan to tell anymore of this nation. I'd like it if this conversation no longer sprung up. Thank you.

- FA&A

[Primordial Luxa]

Thank you Swith, for calling me who I truly am. A stubborn jackass. But you need not to call me that because I already know I am a jackass.

As for the MSU, don't continue the charade anymore than it should.
I doubt that this will lead anywhere, nor will it go and do something.
I'm not going to want this to continue for this anymore. Our government has already told them of what we do. We have the business meeting here that was concluded, and that will be the end of it. Anhur, thank you, but that will be enough. I don't plan on coming back here, nor do I plan to tell anymore of this nation. I'd like it if this conversation no longer sprung up. Thank you.

- FA&A

Stop belaboring the point, either leave or stay.
Swith's totally right and you are being silly, your moaning and trying to get sympathy for your self when you dont need any in the first place.
Its annoying. Stop it.

[The Fedral Union]

Misunderstandings happen this is why ooc communications are key and why IRC and OSF are useful. There is no use getting in a fuss over such a thing, look we all need to come to an understanding that sometimes people misread one another. OOC aside this issue will be solved easily icly. In my opinion we should leave this up to an IC interpretation. We cant let OOC issues cloud our judgement.

We need to understand one another oocly in order to make a wonderful story icly. Who did what in this case oocly is irrelevant because it seems like a misunderstanding. Let us OOCly treat it as such and move on thus deal with it icly.

[Yukonastan]

Someone catch me up on what I miss?

Apparently there were mentions of slavery/indentured servitude, genocide/assisted legalized suicide, and cannibalism/voluntary food offering, and some non-MSU people took it at face value?

And now FAnA got kicked out of his position?