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Aravea
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Founded: Oct 31, 2011
New York Times Democracy

Postby Aravea » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:13 pm

"So what do you wish us to do? Resign from IFC or recast our votes to please your ego? Like it or not Brytene, regardless of the membership that voted you will find that those who voted against Inyursta's membership did so for a multitude of reasons, be it the manner in which the Inyrustans were treated, a desire to see justice done, a desire to stick up for free speech etc. i assure you once again it is not part of some grand conspiracy on the part of SACTO to undermine the coalition or seize control. Believe me if that was the case IFC would have fallen under SACTO's control long ago, yet it has not. Now do you actually have something worthwhile to add to the discussion or are you going to continue perpetuating these delusions? Oh and let me make this clear...On the matter of Krdjer you will find that they have never been affiliated nor tied to SACTO in any manner. In fact formthe most part the Krdjerans have often fallen on the opposing side in matters involving SACTO?"

Turning to the Carlossian delegate Xander rolled his eyes in exasperation " Listen delegate...Yes there are number of SACTO affiliated nations, but again I ask you what do you intend to do? Do you intend to judge them based upon their ties or cast them as agents of some SACTO Conspiracy? Or will you at least accept that those of us who hold ties to both SACTO and IFC harbor no ill will or desire to overrule the non-SACTO members.Believe it or not the majority of us dual members are here of our own accord and vote as such. In that vein we vote following our indivdual principles and not as part of SACTO's orders.So again I ask is there really any point in continuing this discussion that has thus far only served to divide the membership?"o
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Brytene
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Postby Brytene » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:16 pm

Koyuki snorted. "Even if we imagine that Krjder and the UFC are not affiliated with SACTO, Inyursta still only stands to remain in the IFC thanks to the SACTO voting bloc. Without them, it would stabd 6-4 in favour of ejection. Remove Krjder and the UFC and it becomes 6-2. SACTO is why Inyursta has is about to return to the IFC, not the will of the IFC. And now the Araveans claim that SACTO could have seized control of the IFC at any time? Hardly the words of an IFC loyalist, though it seems he is about to prove himself right."
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Greater Carloso
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Postby Greater Carloso » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:25 pm

"Well thats the problem, isn't it Delegate? We have gone past the point of no return. As it is, this organisation lacks the memership base required go override the SACTO bloc, which you throw aside as a non-issue."

"We are no longer a soverign entity, my Aravean friend."

"On a side note, I have seen this alliance fall once before because of SACTO influence. I will not allow for it to happen again!"
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Aravea
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Postby Aravea » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:29 pm

Brytene wrote:Koyuki snorted. "Even if we imagine that Krjder and the UFC are not affiliated with SACTO, Inyursta still only stands to remain in the IFC thanks to the SACTO voting bloc. Without them, it would stabd 6-4 in favour of ejection. Remove Krjder and the UFC and it becomes 6-2. SACTO is why Inyursta has is about to return to the IFC, not the will of the IFC. And now the Araveans claim that SACTO could have seized control of the IFC at any time? Hardly the words of an IFC loyalist, though it seems he is about to prove himself right."


"There is no point in reasoning with you is there? I have tried and explained to you that the dual members are not here to seize control of SACTO or overrule your votes. However it is ludicrous to expect individual nations to vote against their own guiding principles, jus as it would be ludicrous to expect you not to support your principles within this council. As for your claim, you misinterpret my words, I was referring to how under the direction of the leaders of SACTO IFC would have fallen to SACTO in under a day. Yet tell me has that happened? There have been dual members in this alliance since its inception. Now regarding your statement about me not being IFC loyalist...Let me offer this: Aravea has stood with the IFC since and before its creation. We were there when Bratislav first founded the IFA and were members of the Western Coalition alngside Flardania and Caroloso. We have given our utmost to this alliance over long tenure here and have submitted ourselves before its judgements time and again. Aravea has nothing but respect and the ideals of the IFC in mind when we vote. That much is beyond question. As a final note let me be the first to say this...Aravea has not nor will it ever allow its ties to SACTO to influence our actions in this council. Instead we will vote based upon the principles of this alliance and of freedom and democracy. That has always been and shall always be the guiding principle for the Aravean delegation to the Coalition , not our ties to to SACTO or any outside force."
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Brytene
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Founded: Mar 17, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Brytene » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:34 pm

Koyuki waved a hand dismissively. "And now personal attacks? Protest all you like, but SACTO members have voted to overrule the rest of the IFC and to allow a known enemy and critic of the IFC to return to this organisation, purely because of his membership of the SACTO alliance. This vote has nothing to do with Ausitorian competency or incompetency or the rights and wrongs of our ejection process - it is being carried oit entirely separately. SACTO now controls the IFC. It is as simple as that."
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Inyourfaceistan
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Founded: Aug 20, 2012
Anarchy

Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:37 pm

Melissa rolled her eyes and gave a blank stare. Instead of discussing the resolution up for debate, they were apparently getting mad about SACTO conspiracies to ruin their sovereignty.

"I would like to raise three questions.
First, can we please define what the "SACTO agenda" is? What all is included in this "SACTO agenda"? Please define further in for us to take your concerns seriously.

Secondly, it is well known that Brytene and Carloso are close allies, with the Zerinite Dominion also being allies from the same region. If they are allowed to question the intentions of my supporters due to similar connections, shouldn't we also be able to call into question the same.

Lastly, if the Zerinite Dominion could point to any specific action that makes us "traitors", that would be appreciated, or else we will be forced to think they are acting entirely of subjective opinion without solid evidence?
"


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Brytene
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Postby Brytene » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:43 pm

Koyuki smiled at the Inyurstan outburst.
"The SACTO agenda is, in this case, allowing you back into the IFC, since members of the IFC not affiliated with SACTO have voted to eject you by a margin of 6-4 at least, but realistically 6-2. Ad for Zerinfriom, I fail to see how their geographical proximity is relevant. And last time I checked, Brytene and Carloso cannot muster 6 votes, nor do we belong to any SACTO equivalent to whom our loyalty could be said to belong."
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United States of Conner
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Founded: Jun 10, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby United States of Conner » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:45 pm

Marks would have rolled his eyes if he wasn't in a formal setting.

"May I remind everyone here that all those voting are IFC members. Representatives of Nihon and Riysa are not here voting. Suggesting that just because the vote didn't swing your way that it isn't representative of the IFC is not only ridiculous, it's also false. I am a IFC member. Thus, my vote is my ability to represent my nation in the International Freedom Coalition. Membership in other alliances outside of this one is irrelevant. As is Inyursta's, by the way. I would have voted the exact same way I did for the Inyurstan delegation as I would for the Carlossian delegation, the Ausitorian delegation, or the delegation of Her Excellency Koyuki, though I don't know if any of them would do the same for my delegation."

Marks then turned to Koyuki.

"Please just come out and say it. You don't think that dual membership in the IFC and SACTO should be allowed, you don't believe SACTO members can vote with their own minds in the IFC, and you believe that the IFC should cleanse itself of SACTO member in order to become truly independent, whatever the hell that means. There is no such thing as a SACTO bloc within the IFC, and I think a brief scan of our votes should show that."

Marks leaned back and rubbed his temples, proving that he wasn't as young as he looked.

"Just come out and say it - you don't think SACTO members can be loyal IFC members. It might garner you some more support."
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Brytene
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Postby Brytene » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:51 pm

Koyuki turned her innocently sweet smile on Marks. "Again you put words into my mouth. If this organisation was debating whether to put Swill-o- Cola vending machines in the lobby and it turned oit that a large chunk of voters voting for the machines were Swill-o- Cola shareholders, and that not one shareholder voted against, and that the majorty of non-shareholders did not want the machines installed, would it not be someqhat concerning? Now imagine that instead of chemical tooth degrading slop, they were voting to let in a nation known to have worked against the IFC on behalf of the Swill-o- Cola Corporation in the past."
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Aravea
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Founded: Oct 31, 2011
New York Times Democracy

Postby Aravea » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:51 pm

Greater Carloso wrote:"Well thats the problem, isn't it Delegate? We have gone past the point of no return. As it is, this organisation lacks the memership base required go override the SACTO bloc, which you throw aside as a non-issue."

"We are no longer a soverign entity, my Aravean friend."

"On a side note, I have seen this alliance fall once before because of SACTO influence. I will not allow for it to happen again!"


"Well if you desire to diminish the power of the so called "SACTO Bloc" then see about swaying individual members to your cause and convince them of your point of view. Both you and Koyu,i seem to think that the mere presence of a sacto members kills the sovereignty of the IFC...I would actually argue differently as it creates a situation wherein you are motivated to change the status quo. If you do not like see about swaying the more neutral dual members instead of trying to silence them or intimidate them into changing their votes. I think you would find that most of us are pretty open to suggestions and are willing to compromise. That is a part of democracy after all. So again I urge the two of you to avoid falling into the trap of encouraging factionalism and instead work across ideological lines to create a coalition or the like. Hell you could even try the hold tactic of appealing to the various delegates personally. To sum up the non-SACTO members did lose this round, but that does not mean it will always be that way. So again instead of following into a partisan mindset expand your horizons and work with us to reacha mutually beneficial agreement. Now as to your statement Koyuki, I brought up the Ausitorians not because of their competency, but rather their tendency to fall into a partisan mindset. To be brutally honest that type of mindset as well as the on you are in danger of falling into creates nothing but endless gridlock and pointless political battles. Hell I can tell you from my knowledge my predecessor actually did try to work with or at least talk to the Ausitorians to get them to back down from dissolving the government. That willingness to work across ideological or partisan lines is exactly the attitude that all of us should strive for here. Now if you don't mind would any of you care to discuss how we intend to deal with the Feng situation or actually set about implementing some non-inyursta or governmental policy? Perhaps we could all discuss the Shazian delegation's proposal for the IFC navy?"
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Inyourfaceistan
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Founded: Aug 20, 2012
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 5:57 pm

Melissa wondered if it was worth replying or if this would somehow be added to their tally of "arguments caused by Inyursta" which would be held against them later.
Lord knows Ausitoria had already attempted to accuse them of starting senseless debates for daring to question the powers of the Prime Minister; so it seemed plausible such an accusation would fall on their shoulders yet again...

"And what does SACTO have to gain by keeping me in the IFC? What advantage does it serve an external alliance to keep me here?
But certainly you three are all members with external ties outside of the IFC, correct? And you all certainly seem to agree on this issue, correct? So if those who I have external ties to are to come under question for supporting me in this measure, why is the subject of your external ties supporting you in this measure somehow irrelevant?
The only difference I see is that my group of connections - at the moment - happens to outnumber your group of connections - again for the moment.

Oh, and it's not "letting us back into the IFC". It's expelling us.
Resolution 3 was passed by an impressive margin which found Ausitoria's illegitimate while the first attempted expulsion of us in Resolution 4 failed by a considerable margin. So unless this current impromptu motion passes we never left.
Unlike yourselves...
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She then turned to Marks. He was wise and composed, but it seemed he had jumped the gun.
"My fellow delegate I would refrain from assuming the worst. While their fears are mostly baseless; it's not fair to immediately accuse them of opposing dual membership."
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Brytene
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Postby Brytene » Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:04 pm

"An interesting stance," replied Koyuki to the Aravean, "but since I happen to know, for example, that our colleague from Krjder only switched votes because the Araveans and Inyurstans leaned on him, offering support for his upcoming run at the Prime Minister's seat, your protestations fall somewhat short. As you just said, non-SACTO members were defeated by SACTO today. Abother alliance is in de facto control of the IFC now. That is all there is to it.

As for the Inyurstan question: Political influence for the first, and please address my earlier points for the second. The day a Brytisc-Carloso cabal somehow defeats the rest of the IFC you may have avalif point, and no, other than sundry trade and membership in the Atlas World Cup of Association Football we have no ties to Zerinfriom."
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Patrick OConner
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Postby Patrick OConner » Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:44 pm

" The Timocratic Republic votes Nay Resolution 5 and votes Nay on Inyursta's expulsion"
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Flardania
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Ex-Nation

Postby Flardania » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:02 pm

Junko turned to Koyuki "So because we happenly voted to reinstate a member who we felt should not have been expelled in the first place we are serving some other agenda!" Junko said generally hurt especially from the carlosian delegate but more so by Koyuki. "When Kirishima was in both the WC and IFA where was your nation and where was SACTO. At the time mind you we waged war in Bethuana against old SACTO, on top of that Kirishima rescued Brystic sailors from the cltuches of Inyursta and Cuscatlan as well as mediate a prisoner swap. We were in the IFC since day one, Kirishima is now serving it's second time a foreign minister and has always worked for the existence of IFC. Just because our interest lies with Inyursta in this occasion do not treat Kirishima as a puppet of another alliance, intentionally or unintentionally."
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Brytene
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Postby Brytene » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:19 pm

Koyuki sighed. "Your humanity in not allowing our sailors to die after the unwarranted Cuscatlani attack, apparently provoked by our supposed poisoning of a man who is not dead, a man who was supposed to deliver ransom money to Inyurstan terrorists but instead handed it to Cuscatlan and let the hostages die, has been noted."

She stood, picking up her SlatePad. She took a moment to look up at the fading paint on the ceiling of the cavernous room. Where once the mighty alliance had boasted scores of members crowding into the chamber, now less than twenty voting delegates remained. The IFC was a shadow of its former self, it seemed, unstable and dominated by outside influences.

"Well, as promised Brytene hereby withdraws its membership, as the motion to reinstate Inyursta has passed despite the will of the majority of non-SACTO members. I can only hope that I am wrong, and that this miraculous change of heart by the Inyurstans is genuine, but the survival of an independent IFC is no longer my concern. Good day to you all, and good luck."

She turned and left the room, her footsteps echoing in the vast chamber as she passed the empty rows of desks.
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Inyourfaceistan
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Anarchy

Postby Inyourfaceistan » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:43 pm

Ambassador de Vertrun sighed. Again, despite her pointing out that Inyursta was never properly ejected and such issue had been confirmed by the Council as well as that the previous motion to eject Inyursta had failed, the Bryistic delegate was referring to the second motion to eject them as a "reinstatement". Melissa assumed the gringa was labeling it as such on purpose, and held her tongue.

"In all fairness the vote isn't over yet, several members have not made their position clear...

And do understand there is no pressure from us to leave. We believe this coalition needs unity and cooperation, not the loss of members through expulsions and quittings...
"
In the mind of the Inyurstans that was half the problem with the IFC: people unwilling to work together. People who would rather silence opposition or simply quit. It seemed instead of forming a solid phalanx around their own, certain members would rather intervene against or shun those they disagree with. In their time in the IFC the Inyurstans had learned to work with external allies and former enemies alike, and that cooperation and compromise were ultimately the keys to victory rather than wanton acts of aggression...
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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:16 am

Mr. Speaker, there is no point in holding elections this week - we need more time for discussion, since the gravity of the division has yet to sink into people's minds. These votes are the most important votes this parliament.
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Patrick OConner
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Postby Patrick OConner » Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:09 am

"I disagree. It is clear to anyone with a functioning cerebral cortex that further discussion is moot since both sides have repeatedly put forth the same reasons and arguements. Further delay will only cause more strife and tear the IFC further apart. Which is a stupid move bordering on suicidal right now, when we need to be united and present a strong front. I move that we vote immediately and cease this wretched political and personal vendetta that some are clearly pursuing under the pretext of helping and bettering the IFC. I personally cannot stand to see people squabble and bicker like little children and then use the words 'in the name of freedom' to justify their actions. We are grown men and women, representing powerful nations. It is time to act like it. Now I say again I move to vote now and let us be done with it. Cast the die and may if fall where it does. And may we accept the results like honest upstanding decent righteous men and women that we are."
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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Fri Jan 22, 2016 10:21 am

After a long delay, Alexias rose again.

“It should be clear to anyone with slightly less arrogance that there may have been far more to this argument than anyone has been letting on.

At times like this, the last thing we need to do is vote, and find out where we are divided. Let me explain.

The original question of this argument was straightforward: Ausitoria’s decision to expel Inyursta, for so arrogantly and high-handedly opposing effective coalition by ominously threatening members – a non-answer is just as much a decision as a statement.

Simultaneously to the argument on this matter, and for the last four centuries, Ausitoria has always sought to maintain the balance of power, to side with the weak against the strong. This system is the basis for peace, prosperity, and democracy: a centrist, civilized understanding of the danger of the mob and the essential need to balance the social and economic rights of individuals with the rights of other individuals. It is, whether you agree with it or not, the effective basis of the International Freedom Coalition, at least from our point of view. That is why it was so easy for Ausitoria to be elected, and to pull in so much talent to the government.

When it became quite clear that Inyursta was turning what should have been a perfunctionary domestic affair into a disguised battle between Inyursta’s backers and the centrist government of the International Freedom Coalition, the argument morphed into a battle of wills. Desiring to avoid outright confrontation, Ausitoria requested that our supporters refrain from making this explicit. I am still attempting to do so, although by this point it may be obvious. However, it suits both sides to avoid outright confrontation, so I will say no more, except the following three points:

First, it should be alarming, at least amongst those who understand the suitability of centrism and moderate government, that Ausitoria has found it necessary to take a side here in the International Freedom Coalition, to lead its own centrist political capital to fight against the strong radical power – and found itself unable to defeat that opposition.

Second, I know that many of you – particularly newer members, and others less involved - have not seen this argument for what it is, and some of you might wish you had voted differently. However, because we now all know that the vote is probably not about the expulsion of Inyursta, the vote is effectively useless. It is absolutely necessary that we avoid knowing which side is currently dominant: otherwise the IFC will split. And as I said, it suits both sides to avoid confrontation.

Third, where does it leave us? All that we need to know is that there is a definite division, even if nobody knows exactly where it is, and that is what the last three weeks of this argument has revealed: Motion 5 carried 2-0, Motion to Expel Inyursta failed, something-something. Who cares about the legislative details? Let neither side have prevailed at this moment: for then we are all doomed. The International Freedom Coalition is run by its members, who have wildly different ideas (as they should, and in accordance with my manifesto). Government is about those who wish to be governed, and only those who support my government need be governed by it (as they should, and in accordance with my manifesto).

This is how it always is while we argue. This is how it always is on everything we cannot agree on. That is what all members have agreed on, whether you know it or not. We are arguing over ideas which are far bigger than us, and in which none should or shall prevail, and I do not need a vote to know that I have your support on that, even if not a single word of this discourse has made any sense to any of you at all.

That was what the argument was about. Some things just are: 'twas ever thus.

Those member nations who do support the government, please make your way to the 8th Summit. There’s a lot to be discussed, and I would like to get through some of it.”

Alexias sat down with a frightful headache, without a clue of whether anyone else in the room had understood it.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:38 am

IC:
SCENE: International Freedom Coalition Main Audience Chamber
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The Imperial Guard In Armor

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Larry Williams
Supreme Emperor
Just outside the building, a long limousine pulled up escorted by two military style troop transport vehicles. Out of those vehicles came eight members of the highly trained Imperial Guard. These highly trained members of the Shazbodom SCS Marines were the brainchild of the Supreme Emperor. Out of the SCS Marines, one hundred of them were hand picked by his most high to be the hand of the Emperor, trained in combat techniques that would make them valuable assets to the protection of the Diplomatic Coprs, including the main protection of the Supreme Emperor, his family and the Ministers.
They flanked around the limousine that the Supreme Emperor was sitting in and scanned the area, the computers built into their armor ran thousands of calculations, checking anything and everything for a sign of a threat to the life of the Supreme Emperor. When, by their training, they came up that the area was safe, they all flanked the door that was facing the IFC Capital Building and then opened up the door of the highly armored limousine. Out stepped the Supreme Emperor, his yellow eyes very distinct to that of anyone else that the membership of the IFC has ever met. A man in his late years, he has ruled the Empire since the Sixth Election. For more than twenty years, he has been at the top of the food chain within the Empire, and the people loved him.
He began to make his way up the stairs of the main entrance of the building, as he approached the main door two of the SCS Marines opened it for him, ensuring that he never broke stride as he walked into the main lobby. Glancing at the directly, while still in motion, he turned and made his way for the Main Audience Chambers, where the delegations of the IFC would be debating whatever resolution was on the floor at the time, as well as the vote to Expel Inyursta from the halls of this International Body. He was sent a dossier of the vote as it currently was by his underling within the IFC, to ensure that he was rightly informed on the entirety of the matter.
There was a split, he was notified, within the IFC. People were afraid others were taking over, others from a rival alliance that the Empire was now in talks with within the Colony of Shazbotdom Miroxia, to help formalize and normalize relations between the Empire and the alliance known as SACTO. Larry knew, though, that no matter what his vote here, it would have no impact upon the Empire's stance within the IFC, or those talks. His vote was on the future of a delegation within the IFC that, while they were not the most liked within the walls of the IFC, were one of those more prominent members of the alliance.
He mused, the last time he was seen by anyone from these Allies was at last years Conference. What number was that again? He had no clue. So much had gone on within the Empire that it made it hard for him to keep track of trivial things such as the number of a Conference. Walking through the building, his SCS Marines ensured that any door in his way was opened promptly to ensure that he never broke stride. As they approached the door to the main debate chambers, he slowed down his pace. He then turned and walked over to a vending machine, threw in a couple dollars, and retrieved a drink from the machine. He then walked over to the door and nodded at the marines, who then opened the door.
As he walked into the chamber, he glanced around at the assembled delegations. He threw a smile on his face to attempt to make himself look like a nice guy, even though he was told that when he smiled it didn't look all that great, but he tried. The SCS Marines just stood at the door, glancing around the room, ever ready for something to happen just in case they needed to jump into action. "Greetings, everyone," the Supreme Emperor stated as he made his way down the isle, towards his underlings position. "I hope everyone has had a pleasant day thus far," he continued as he walked up to the Shazbodom Ambassador and sat next to him in an empty seat.
He looked around at the looks on every ones face. He wasn't sure what to make of their looks, but it didn't phase him one bit. He was here to do one of many many parts of his job and get back to his family as quickly as possible, and by damn, that's what he would do.



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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sat Jan 23, 2016 8:22 am

[OOC: No, this is how you enter. IC:]

Alexias raised his head, an eyebrow, a hand of acknowledgement, his turban to his head, and a faint smile shimmering on his face, as he closed his eyes and his mind switched channel ...
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Fri Feb 05, 2016 3:01 pm

Now that it seemed most of the dust had settled, Melissa stood up, proud to display the handiwork she and her compatréos had crafted.
As was the case with most Inyurstans, Melissa was an advocate of protecting the environment. Coming from a nation home to a unique blend of North, South American and entirely indigenous flora and fauna, conservation was a key issue to a large portion of the Inyurstan people, and unfortunately many sites had been lost in the earlier half of the last century.

She cleared her voice and boldly introduced the next resolution into the chamber.
"My fellow delegates it is with great pleasure that I announce the Inyurstan delegation has sucessfully completed a resolution to inspire pro-conservation cooperation between members and serve as the basis for future environmental initiatives.
I hope we can all agree that the natural wonders of the world are something that desperately needs protection and I hope you will agree with the following motion...
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Republic of Inyursta
Melissa de Vertrun




Environmental Conservation Act

[Resolution Number: 6]


Understanding that the natural world and the wildlife it gives life to is one of our fastest diminishing resources, this resolution seeks to ensure greater voluntary cooperation between members of the IFC to help better protect sites of natural significance in their respective nations.


Section 1: International Protection Zones


a) Hereby calls for the willing and voluntary creation of international protection zones, also to be known as "Blue Zones" among member nations which are eligible for direct funding in order to police, protect and research necessary variables such as organic life, soil and water pH, chemical content, etc. by the donations allotted by signatory nations outlined in Section 1b.

These international protection zones will be selected and designated by member nations using the R6-A form.

b) Hereby calls for the creation of a seperate fund formed entirely of donations from willing nations. This fund will not be expected to take any extra money from the rest of the IFC budget nor will members be mandated or coerced into paying into this fund.

This fund will be created using donations outlined and granted by member nations using the form R6-B.


Section 2: Extradition Cooperation Clause


a) Hereby creates a specific-crime extradition treaty between voluntary signatory members to help better prosecute the illicit acts such as poaching, dumping and intentional poisoning of water or soil.

b) In the case of a criminal(s) whom the host nation should refuse to give up for any reason, this action will be allowed by the member nation provided the crimes levied against said criminal(s) by other affected nations be brought against them in the home nation.


Section 3: Clarification and Waiver


Defines signatory nations as nations who willingly choose to participate in this international effort.
In the immediate time frame a vote of "AYE" to this resolution will be considered a signature of approval, however if a nation wishes to vote in support of this motion but does not wish to sign they may clarify so with their vote.
In the future a new member shall be asked if they wish to sign this cooperation treaty shortly after joining the council.
A signatory nation may choose to exit from all duties outlined by this measure at any time.

Signed,


[Melissa Lorena de Vertrun Jimenez; Republiqua D'Inyursta]

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I, the delegate of [b][nation name][/b], hereby request to have the following sites listed as Blue Zones for international protection.
[b]Name of site(s):[/b]
[b]History&Description(s):[/b]
[b]Ecological Significance:[/b]
[b]Threatened or Endangered Species (if applicable):[/b]

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I, the delegate of [b][nation name][/b], on behalf of my nation hereby announce a donation of [b][monetary value][/b] to the conservation fund outlined in Resolution 6 Section 1b.


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"Inyourfaceistan" refers to my player/user name, "Inyursta" is my IC name. NOT INYURSTAN. IF YOU CALL INYURSTA "INYURSTAN" THEN IT SHOWS THAT YOU CANT READ. Just refer to me as IYF or Stan.

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Libraria and Ausitoria
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:11 am

Studiously ignoring Melissa, Alexias rose.

"We would like to propose the following act, enabling more functional and significant Summits, a little bit of Council housekeeping, setting term limits, and ensuring that there are plenty of people available to ensure the continuation of this Coalition - although at this point, some might ask why bother..."

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His Grace Alexias Stella




Administrative Expedience Act

[Resolution Number: 7]


Desirous of enabling more expedient government,

The Council hereby:

1. Recognizes the ability of members-in-Council to pass legislation at government-initiated Summits if they possess Summit quorum.
2. Defines Summit quorum to be at least six members or at least one quarter of all admitted members, whichever is smaller.
3. Grants smaller numbers of members at Summits legislative initiative.
4. Directs the Speaker to oversee elections for a senior deputy speaker for assisting with the Council and Government’s main functions.
5. Repeals Clause 3 of Section 1 of Resolution 5.
6. Permits the Prime Minister and Cabinet to veto Council legislation not passed by at least a three-fifths majority.
8. Repeals and replaces Act 0 Section 3 Subsection 2 Clauses 1, 2, 4, and 5 as follows:
1. The office of the Prime Minister shall be occupied for a term at the Prime Minister’s discretion of two months at least and four months at most, unless there is an explicit motion of no-confidence.
2. In the absence of any declared candidates, the Speaker shall automatically be on the ballot, and shall be elected if no other candidates are elected.
4. If a motion of no-confidence is passed, elections shall be administered by Deputy Speakers in order of seniority, if available; or by the person at the highest possible level in the Cabinet chain of command (below), discounting declared candidates.
9. Directs that in this transitionary period the next election must start within two months of the passage of this act.

[His Grace Alexias Stella, The Imperial Commonwealth of Libraria and Ausitoria]
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Postby United States of Conner » Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:20 am

Marks packed his things and rose to leave.

"Before I board a flight to Alexandria for the summit, I will vote AYE on Resolutions 6 and 7."
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Postby Flardania » Sat Feb 06, 2016 10:26 am

Junko was on the phone with the Dirigeant who was in Alexandria and nodded, before hanging up the phone. "The Taisuist Republic of Kirishima votes AYE on Resolution 6 and Nay on Resolution 7."
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