Imperium: Reboot (OOC/Sign Ups) Always Open

[Reverend Norv]

The Deynai would probably take a protective interest in these weirdos.

Bloody Deynai. Next they're going to start protecting striking workers from shock batons and rifle butts.

Unironically yes.

[Caltharus]

Well i am willing to have Theo lose, he is after all the junior of them and likely just not as good. Going by the plan he formulated, we could have the attackers suffer pretty high casualties, but them still winning as the defending force guarding the planet was in the end too weak. So like Theo's tactics were succesful in punishing the enemy, but left too few forces actually holding the orbit they were defending.

What's your opinion on the matter?

[New New Sriker]

Bloody Deynai. Next they're going to start protecting striking workers from shock batons and rifle butts.

Unironically yes.

Based and Laborpilled

[Union Princes]

I wonder if I should've been part of the senate gathering right now.

[Revlona]

Well i am willing to have Theo lose, he is after all the junior of them and likely just not as good. Going by the plan he formulated, we could have the attackers suffer pretty high casualties, but them still winning as the defending force guarding the planet was in the end too weak. So like Theo's tactics were succesful in punishing the enemy, but left too few forces actually holding the orbit they were defending.

What's your opinion on the matter?

Well the problem I have with Theos tactic is that Shara would know your fleets numbers before hand and so would any enemy fleet that has been gathering in the same system

So just a quick scope of the force hovering above planet 5 would show that the entire enemy fleet was not there and would signal immediate red flags

Plus his plan basically relies on the enemy to charge head long into your waiting trap, discounting that space is 3 dimensional

[Wasi State]

I'll probably write another post in the IC soonish, probably dealing with the POW situation in Hyperborea. And then probably mention the growing insurrection on the other worlds not yet in their control.

[Caltharus]

Well i am willing to have Theo lose, he is after all the junior of them and likely just not as good. Going by the plan he formulated, we could have the attackers suffer pretty high casualties, but them still winning as the defending force guarding the planet was in the end too weak. So like Theo's tactics were succesful in punishing the enemy, but left too few forces actually holding the orbit they were defending.

What's your opinion on the matter?

Well the problem I have with Theos tactic is that Shara would know your fleets numbers before hand and so would any enemy fleet that has been gathering in the same system

So just a quick scope of the force hovering above planet 5 would show that the entire enemy fleet was not there and would signal immediate red flags

Plus his plan basically relies on the enemy to charge head long into your waiting trap, discounting that space is 3 dimensional

Well those are fair points. I imagined that long distance radars wouldn't be that effective as to know exactly how many enemies there were, not at the standard engagement distance atleast.

As for the plan itself, i didn't mean that the defending forces from a two dimensional "V" shape. However it might have come of sounding like that due to me having some trouble describing 3d movement.

Then there is the trouble with defenders having a smaller force and a key location to defend whilst both know eachothers exact compositions. That in my opinion leaves very little room to act other than trying to do something to throw the larger force off.

[Revlona]

Well the problem I have with Theos tactic is that Shara would know your fleets numbers before hand and so would any enemy fleet that has been gathering in the same system

So just a quick scope of the force hovering above planet 5 would show that the entire enemy fleet was not there and would signal immediate red flags

Plus his plan basically relies on the enemy to charge head long into your waiting trap, discounting that space is 3 dimensional

Well those are fair points. I imagined that long distance radars wouldn't be that effective as to know exactly how many enemies there were, not at the standard engagement distance atleast.

As for the plan itself, i didn't mean that the defending forces from a two dimensional "V" shape. However it might have come of sounding like that due to me having some trouble describing 3d movement.

Then there is the trouble with defenders having a smaller force and a key location to defend whilst both know eachothers exact compositions. That in my opinion leaves very little room to act other than trying to do something to throw the larger force off.

Radar wouldn't be the only way to spot your enemies, especially in dead space where you could literally see your enemy with cameras

Ok that clears it up however it still depends a lot upon your enemy charging headlong into it

Has it occurred to you that you are at a disadvantage on purpose? Shara is purposely forcing you to act unconventionally thanks to the situation, however just because she is forcing you to act unconventionally you can't rely on her acting conventionally and charging head first

[Union Princes]

Should I have Irene show up at the current senate meeting or the next?

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Should I have Irene show up at the current senate meeting or the next?

Showing up now...I'm not sure. Next one definitely tho...right?

Haven't quite internalized the speed of certain spacecraft and the distances we're handling here.

I didn't show up because I had 0 IC reason to be there.

[Caltharus]

Radar wouldn't be the only way to spot your enemies, especially in dead space where you could literally see your enemy with cameras

Ok that clears it up however it still depends a lot upon your enemy charging headlong into it

Has it occurred to you that you are at a disadvantage on purpose? Shara is purposely forcing you to act unconventionally thanks to the situation, however just because she is forcing you to act unconventionally you can't rely on her acting conventionally and charging head first

As for the cameras, yeah those are a thing once ships get closer to each other, but didn't OP say that ships can duel at pretty extreme ranges?

The idea behind Theo's plan was that by pretending that when enemy vanguard comes scouting before the main fleet they engage it immediately with quite a lot of strength. Then they begin the somewhat sloppy first flanking manouver that hopefully would draw in enemies to counter that, which in turn hopefully would allow the third section to get into firing range on completely other side of the enemy forces.

The "killzone" that would form if everything went perfectly, would just be a position in space upon which the defenders could fire from several hugely different directions. It'd still be gigantic considering the ranges involved so the word killzone might be a bit misleading.

Still the whole plan depends on the enemy vanguard acting somewhat foolishly, but then again no plan survives first contact with the enemy.

[Revlona]

Radar wouldn't be the only way to spot your enemies, especially in dead space where you could literally see your enemy with cameras

Ok that clears it up however it still depends a lot upon your enemy charging headlong into it

Has it occurred to you that you are at a disadvantage on purpose? Shara is purposely forcing you to act unconventionally thanks to the situation, however just because she is forcing you to act unconventionally you can't rely on her acting conventionally and charging head first

As for the cameras, yeah those are a thing once ships get closer to each other, but didn't OP say that ships can duel at pretty extreme ranges?

The idea behind Theo's plan was that by pretending that when enemy vanguard comes scouting before the main fleet they engage it immediately with quite a lot of strength. Then they begin the somewhat sloppy first flanking manouver that hopefully would draw in enemies to counter that, which in turn hopefully would allow the third section to get into firing range on completely other side of the enemy forces.

The "killzone" that would form if everything went perfectly, would just be a position in space upon which the defenders could fire from several hugely different directions. It'd still be gigantic considering the ranges involved so the word killzone might be a bit misleading

I don't see why cameras would only be used for close range, seeing as our ships could probably begin engaging the moment I leave the orbit of the first planet. That is the reason the fleet is hidden behind it.

There is also the fact that Theo is basing his plan on the assumption that the enemy will be sending in a vanguard the scout when they can clearly see his vessels the second they move from behind the first planet and vice versa.

The kill zone forming would also depend on how close I get, seeing as I could stand off and slug it out with your scattered fleet with a high chance of success thanks to how you've split it.

Anyways, Shara put him in a no win situation on purpose so don't feel bad with how I'm poking holes in his plan, i'd probably try something similar if in the same situation

[Caltharus]

I don't see why cameras would only be used for close range, seeing as our ships could probably begin engaging the moment I leave the orbit of the first planet. That is the reason the fleet is hidden behind it.

There is also the fact that Theo is basing his plan on the assumption that the enemy will be sending in a vanguard the scout when they can clearly see his vessels the second they move from behind the first planet and vice versa.

The kill zone forming would also depend on how close I get, seeing as I could stand off and slug it out with your scattered fleet with a high chance of success thanks to how you've split it.

Anyways, Shara put him in a no win situation on purpose so don't feel bad with how I'm poking holes in his plan, i'd probably try something similar if in the same situation

I personally feel that while the opposing forces potentially could engage eachother the moment attackers leave the cover of the first planet, they wouldn't just see eachother. Like we're talking about the 1st and 5th planets in a solar system. What kind of an camera, even so far into the future can zoom in so far, let alone right to the exact spots the enemies are in.

Hence why i thought they'd send scouts to pinpoint the enemy location and find the easiest way to attack.

And no worries, i'm merely trying to explain my reasoning a little better. I think it was clear from the beginning that this would end badly for Theo, despite his IC confidence

[Revlona]

I don't see why cameras would only be used for close range, seeing as our ships could probably begin engaging the moment I leave the orbit of the first planet. That is the reason the fleet is hidden behind it.

There is also the fact that Theo is basing his plan on the assumption that the enemy will be sending in a vanguard the scout when they can clearly see his vessels the second they move from behind the first planet and vice versa.

The kill zone forming would also depend on how close I get, seeing as I could stand off and slug it out with your scattered fleet with a high chance of success thanks to how you've split it.

Anyways, Shara put him in a no win situation on purpose so don't feel bad with how I'm poking holes in his plan, i'd probably try something similar if in the same situation

I personally feel that while the opposing forces potentially could engage eachother the moment attackers leave the cover of the first planet, they wouldn't just see eachother. Like we're talking about the 1st and 5th planets in a solar system. What kind of an camera, even so far into the future can zoom in so far, let alone right to the exact spots the enemies are in.

Hence why i thought they'd send scouts to pinpoint the enemy location and find the easiest way to attack.

And no worries, i'm merely trying to explain my reasoning a little better. I think it was clear from the beginning that this would end badly for Theo, despite his IC confidence

You'd have to target such long distances some way

And a camera was just an example of something other than radar being used

[Imperialisium]

Cameras at engagement distances measured in millions of kilometers. Hilarious.

[Caltharus]

Cameras at engagement distances measured in millions of kilometers. Hilarious.

What methods do ships use to spot and track enemies when fighting across extreme distances? Am i completely mistaken about space radars being a thing?

[Imperialisium]

Cameras at engagement distances measured in millions of kilometers. Hilarious.

What methods do ships use to spot and track enemies when fighting across extreme distances? Am i completely mistaken about space radars being a thing?

Radar is a thing. Specifically it wouldn’t just be ship radar a la 21st century. It would be a broad spectrum suite of sensors checking for gravity, objects, materials, speed/velocity, likely computers number crunching possible trajectories and figuring out time delays due to distance. Distance being important since if you’re 5 light minutes away from another ship. Then your data is always 5 minutes old no matter how quick it comes in.

This puts a degree of randomness and maneuver since Imperial Navy warships of most types can achieve flank speeds in excess of 200 million meters a second. Meaning a camera against a target going at any appreciable pace above slow cruise and not at knife fighting range is largely pointless in combat. Camera scopes are limited to their real life physic boundaries.

Now, most ships in the setting (which aren’t military to begin with) lack shields. Or at least full shielding. So engagements can be millions of kilometers apart. However when shields do come in this forces a switch in tactics as to beat the shields (aside from overloading which would take a significant firepower disparity) is to have an objective abruptly slow down and pass through. Mind a ship can’t fire while shields are up anyways.

[Caltharus]

Thanks for clearing this out

[Bolslania]

Yo G-tech

What commercial interests does Senator Macharius have?

[Union Princes]

Alright, a 2nd post to fill in the time until Irene starts meeting up with other players.

[Segmentia]

Working on a post. If anyone wants any interactions with the Rosewoods, let me know.

[Imperialisium]

thirty pages of OOC, hot damn

[Union Princes]

Working on a post. If anyone wants any interactions with the Rosewoods, let me know.

I would like to try some interactions, maybe at the senate or somewhere

[Segmentia]

Working on a post. If anyone wants any interactions with the Rosewoods, let me know.

I would like to try some interactions, maybe at the senate or somewhere

I have Victoria at the senate, so that would work.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Speaking of...if I wanted to legally invade a planet to enforce my righteous demands, would I be able to just have local Imperial Administration decide on the matter or is such a decision up to the Imperial Senate?

I feel like this is more an executive/judicial action and thus wouldn't really fit the, as I see it, more legislative institution of the Imperial Senate...but it is better to know for sure.