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Postby Nova Anglicana » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:33 am

Vedastia wrote:
Nova Anglicana wrote:Once we start getting party information and such, where should the threads go? I know the character database is in Forum 7, and a lot of stuff used to be in Forum 7 as well, but this thread is in P2TM.
We're debating if we should have party threads at all, either if we should have party threads or if party activity should be confined to private spaces like Discord servers or private Discord DMs.


Okay, I just wonder about recruitment, etc if party activity is entirely private. Not to mention I'm working with a bit of an older computer and there is no guarantee I would be able to access Discord.
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I have proposed a bill in the Parliament Office.

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Nation Name: Roosevetania
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Party Name: National People's Party
Ideology Summary: Economic LIberalism, Social Conservatism, Monarchism
Party Leader(s): Roosevetania (Alexander Norberg)
Party Abbreviation ("DP" for Democratic Party): NPP
Party Colors: Blue, white
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What if making a party coalition?

I doubt it, seeing as it probably wouldn't be a good look for us conservatives to join with fascists.

Also, everyone remember not to bring IC political differences into the OOC.
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Postby Mountain Pygmies » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:42 am

Roosevetania wrote:
Terra Helvetica Order wrote:What if making a party coalition?

I doubt it, seeing as it probably wouldn't be a good look for us conservatives to join with fascists.

Also, everyone remember not to bring IC political differences into the OOC.

Well, I already broke that last sentence, but come on, who likes fascists?

Though this is the OOC thread. So I've broke nothing.
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Postby Roosevetania » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:43 am

Mountain Pygmies wrote:
Roosevetania wrote:I doubt it, seeing as it probably wouldn't be a good look for us conservatives to join with fascists.

Also, everyone remember not to bring IC political differences into the OOC.

Well, I already broke that last sentence, but come on, who likes fascists?

He may just be a fascist for the purpose of the RP, not IRL. Let's just try to keep a positive RP environment.
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Postby Mountain Pygmies » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:44 am

Roosevetania wrote:
Mountain Pygmies wrote:Well, I already broke that last sentence, but come on, who likes fascists?

He may just be a fascist for the purpose of the RP, not IRL. Let's just try to keep a positive RP environment.

True.

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Terra Helvetica Order
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Thanks
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Terra Helvetica Order wrote:Thanks

You're welcome.

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Postby Vedastia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:07 am

Nova Anglicana wrote:
Vedastia wrote:We're debating if we should have party threads at all, either if we should have party threads or if party activity should be confined to private spaces like Discord servers or private Discord DMs.
Okay, I just wonder about recruitment, etc if party activity is entirely private. Not to mention I'm working with a bit of an older computer and there is no guarantee I would be able to access Discord.
Those are things I've considered, too, especially when it comes to recruiting. However, those who are against having party threads are mainly worried about autopruning and having multiple threads related to the NS Parliament strewn across the forums, the latter of which may run afoul of the forum mods. Discord also has an in-browser version that may work with your computer, but it has its own problems. If the NSP admins ultimately decide against having party threads and you wouldn't be able to get Discord to work, you may have to use NS telegrams, which would be very inconvenient.
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:25 am

Updated Parliament Diagram:

This time it's actually organized left to right, let me know if you think your party is improperly placed or I've miscounted.

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Left to Right:
Red: People's Labour Party
Purple: Social Democratic Party
Brown: Mountain Party
Pink: Republic
Dark Green: Agricultural Alliance Party
Green: The Greens
Light Green: Centre-Progressive
Grey: Independents
Light Blue: Social Liberal Party/The Radicals
Yellow: Liberal Alliance
Blue: National People's Party
Orange: Sankta Hilda All-Patriots' Congress
Black: National Social Front


Some discussion:
A few major parties appear to be surfacing, primarily the NPP on the right, the PLP on the left, and SLP:R in the liberal center, though credit to Greens for clearing a healthy space for themselves in the environmentalist center-left. There are still 12 parties to 21 parliamentarians, so the ratio is still massive. One issue parties, or parties with quite similar mindsets, might want to think about approaching eachother for merger deals, to cement a stronger position together.

Currently, 11 MPs is required for a majority. Some theoretical coalitions might include:

Right-Leaning Coalition:
NSF-SHAPC-NPP-LA-SLP:R-CP = 11

Left-Leaning Coalition:
PLP-SDP-MP-R-AAP-GR-CP-IND = 11

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Roosevetania
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Postby Roosevetania » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:33 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:Updated Parliament Diagram:

This time it's actually organized left to right, let me know if you think your party is improperly placed or I've miscounted.

(Image)

Left to Right:
Red: People's Labour Party
Purple: Social Democratic Party
Brown: Mountain Party
Pink: Republic
Dark Green: Agricultural Alliance Party
Green: The Greens
Light Green: Centre-Progressive
Grey: Independents
Light Blue: Social Liberal Party/The Radicals
Yellow: Liberal Alliance
Blue: National People's Party
Orange: Sankta Hilda All-Patriots' Congress
Black: National Social Front


Some discussion:
A few major parties appear to be surfacing, primarily the NPP on the right, the PLP on the left, and SLP:R in the liberal center, though credit to Greens for clearing a healthy space for themselves in the environmentalist center-left. There are still 12 parties to 21 parliamentarians, so the ratio is still massive. One issue parties, or parties with quite similar mindsets, might want to think about approaching eachother for merger deals, to cement a stronger position together.

Currently, 11 MPs is required for a majority. Some theoretical coalitions might include:

Right-Leaning Coalition:
NSF-SHAPC-NPP-LA-SLP:R-CP = 11

Left-Leaning Coalition:
PLP-SDP-MP-R-AAP-GR-CP-IND = 11

Interesting. Again, I find it hard to see a fascist being welcomed in a coalition of conservatives and liberals. Another thing Atlantica pointed out is that we might should be careful with forming strong, large, permanent coalitions. These could make the RP one-sided and not fun. However, with the diversity of parties we have here, I think it'd be hard to do that.
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Postby Zaporizhian Host » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:33 am

While we're gonna avoid large centrist coalitions in order to make it fair game for the more extreme parties, The Greens would support a right-wing coalition that could present a sufficiently ambitious climate agenda.

That raises the question, what is the climate agenda of the right-wing parties?
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Postby Roosevetania » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:35 am

Zaporizhian Host wrote:While we're gonna avoid large centrist coalitions in order to make it fair game for the more extreme parties, The Greens would support a right-wing coalition that could present a sufficiently ambitious climate agenda.

That raises the question, what is the climate agenda of the right-wing parties?

So far, I don't think that's been determined. The right-wing would likely make some concessions for green policies if it meant confidence and supply.
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Postby Terra Helvetica Order » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:39 am

what if we make logos for each coalition
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Postby Zaporizhian Host » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:41 am

Roosevetania wrote:
Zaporizhian Host wrote:While we're gonna avoid large centrist coalitions in order to make it fair game for the more extreme parties, The Greens would support a right-wing coalition that could present a sufficiently ambitious climate agenda.

That raises the question, what is the climate agenda of the right-wing parties?

So far, I don't think that's been determined. The right-wing would likely make some concessions for green policies if it meant confidence and supply.

We'll wait and see, but sufficient concessions on green policies would in theory leave a right-wing coalition free in terms of the rest of economic policy. The Greens are officially neutral on the status of monarchy, and would only react to significant changes in women's and general social rights, so it could work.
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:42 am

The smallest possible coalition is five parties at the moment, so I don't think there should be too much concern about strong and permanent coalitions at this point.

And while we're opening potential coalition talks, C-P is well positioned to back a government from anywhere on the political spectrum. I'll be working on legislative goals soon for us, so we have something to take into negotiations.

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Postby Roosevetania » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:52 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:The smallest possible coalition is five parties at the moment, so I don't think there should be too much concern about strong and permanent coalitions at this point.

And while we're opening potential coalition talks, C-P is well positioned to back a government from anywhere on the political spectrum. I'll be working on legislative goals soon for us, so we have something to take into negotiations.

I imagine a center-right coalition would be mainly focused on economic freedom and allow individuals more latitude on social issues. However, a left-leaning coalition is also very possible.
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:17 pm

With five members, the NPP appears to be surging ahead towards being the first very healthy party, and it looks harder for a leftist coalition to emerge. Leftists might consider mergers to compete, a combined PLP and MP, in coalition with SDP, makes up the same number of seats.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:27 pm

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:The smallest possible coalition is five parties at the moment, so I don't think there should be too much concern about strong and permanent coalitions at this point.

And while we're opening potential coalition talks, C-P is well positioned to back a government from anywhere on the political spectrum. I'll be working on legislative goals soon for us, so we have something to take into negotiations.

Is the voting based on players or on campaigning? Like, do you have to get maximum players in your party or do you just have to campaign?
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Postby Vedastia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:30 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:The smallest possible coalition is five parties at the moment, so I don't think there should be too much concern about strong and permanent coalitions at this point.

And while we're opening potential coalition talks, C-P is well positioned to back a government from anywhere on the political spectrum. I'll be working on legislative goals soon for us, so we have something to take into negotiations.
Is the voting based on players or on campaigning? Like, do you have to get maximum players in your party or do you just have to campaign?
It all depends on the number of players.
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Zoice wrote:The far right is truly to blame. The left may lose ground to them, but they wouldn't be losing ground if there wasn't the far right in the first place calling for batshit insanity.
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:31 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:The smallest possible coalition is five parties at the moment, so I don't think there should be too much concern about strong and permanent coalitions at this point.

And while we're opening potential coalition talks, C-P is well positioned to back a government from anywhere on the political spectrum. I'll be working on legislative goals soon for us, so we have something to take into negotiations.

Is the voting based on players or on campaigning? Like, do you have to get maximum players in your party or do you just have to campaign?

Every player has one seat in parliament, and in this parliamentary system a majority there hands you the executive government.

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Postby Nova Anglicana » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:31 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:The smallest possible coalition is five parties at the moment, so I don't think there should be too much concern about strong and permanent coalitions at this point.

And while we're opening potential coalition talks, C-P is well positioned to back a government from anywhere on the political spectrum. I'll be working on legislative goals soon for us, so we have something to take into negotiations.

Is the voting based on players or on campaigning? Like, do you have to get maximum players in your party or do you just have to campaign?


One vote per unique non-puppet NS nation in your party.

SHAPC, while obviously wanting to back a more socially conservative coalition, is willing to negotiate with any party committed to addressing a more equitable racial society. There sure seem to be an awful lot of white people on this Caribbean island...
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Champions
WBC 48, IBC 35/36, IBS XIII, WJHC VII, URSA 7s I, Port Louis 7s I, CE 29-30 (as NAAZE)

Runners-up
WBC 39/44/50, WCoH 46, RUWC 31, Cup of Harmony 65, IBS III/VIII, AVBF 7s II

3rd Place
WBC 28/32/36, RUWC XXIX, Cup of Harmony 64, IBS V, WJHC V/VIII/XVI/XVII, Beltane Cup II, Londinium 7s II, R7WC VI (eliminated in semis, no 3PPO)

4th Place
WBC 29/38/49, IBS VII, RUWC XXI/XXVI, WJHC IV, Londinium 7s I, WCoH 28, RAHI II

Quarterfinals
WBC 27/30/31/37/41/43/47, IBS VI, IBC 15/31, WJHC VI/IX/XIV, RAHI I, AVBF Rugby Sevens I, RUWC XXIV/XXV

Hosted
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