The Awesome Pony Rp : Under the Shadow of War (OOC: Sign Up)

[Fascist Russian Empire]

It looks interesting and pretty dark. I'm not sure why Celestia would ever want to negotiate with terrorists and abandon her allies or the Tripony Treaty, though...

Since we're wrapping things up I haven't had much reason to post, but I might come up with something. Unless, I already posted...

Realpolitik? I mean, if your country is being invaded by a seemingly omnipresent, incredibly powerful empire with a large army, far-reaching influence, and infiltrators in every level of your government, and you simultaneously are facing a major rise in violent opposition to your regime to the point where a powerful rebel movement is growing in several provinces, one would think it would be a good idea to try and come to a peaceful arrangement with the opposition so you can focus a united front against the invading empire.

Celestia might be an idealist, but she isn't completely stupid; if she saw inevitable defeat, she would try to find a way out of it, and working with the rebels, as opposed to allowing civil war to decimate Equestria's military strength, would be a reasonable strategy to do so. Moral principles don't win wars, after all; sometimes, working with evil people to defeat even more evil people can be necessary to emerge victorious at the end of the day.

[The Flutterlands]

It looks interesting and pretty dark. I'm not sure why Celestia would ever want to negotiate with terrorists and abandon her allies or the Tripony Treaty, though...

Since we're wrapping things up I haven't had much reason to post, but I might come up with something. Unless, I already posted...

Realpolitik? I mean, if your country is being invaded by a seemingly omnipresent, incredibly powerful empire with a large army, far-reaching influence, and infiltrators in every level of your government, and you simultaneously are facing a major rise in violent opposition to your regime to the point where a powerful rebel movement is growing in several provinces, one would think it would be a good idea to try and come to a peaceful arrangement with the opposition so you can focus a united front against the invading empire.

Celestia might be an idealist, but she isn't completely stupid; if she saw inevitable defeat, she would try to find a way out of it, and working with the rebels, as opposed to allowing civil war to decimate Equestria's military strength, would be a reasonable strategy to do so. Moral principles don't win wars, after all; sometimes, working with evil people to defeat even more evil people can be necessary to emerge victorious at the end of the day.

Yeah, but Chrysalis seems less evil tham Visionary and the All-Maker. Chrysalis has actual history to back her motivation for revenge, making her somewhat sympathetic. Visionary and All-Maker are simply driven by blind bigotry and would stop at nothing from committing genocide.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Yeah, but Chrysalis seems less evil tham Visionary and the All-Maker. Chrysalis has actual history to back her motivation for revenge, making her somewhat sympathetic. Visionary and All-Maker are simply driven by blind bigotry and would stop at nothing from committing genocide.

You mean the fact that the changelings have reduced multiple cities to ruins, killed immense numbers of ponies, instituted slavery all across Equestria, and have attempted to conquer the entire country as part of a racial-supremacist scheme to destroy ponykind isn't valid justification for ponies wanting revenge against changelings? I mean, really, Chrysalis is every bit as much of a war-criminal as the All-Maker, and her motivations seem to revolve largely around greed (having a desire to build herself an empire); at least the Temple wants to help Equestria on some level, even if their methods for doing so are extreme.

[The Flutterlands]

Yeah, but Chrysalis seems less evil tham Visionary and the All-Maker. Chrysalis has actual history to back her motivation for revenge, making her somewhat sympathetic. Visionary and All-Maker are simply driven by blind bigotry and would stop at nothing from committing genocide.

You mean the fact that the changelings have reduced multiple cities to ruins, killed immense numbers of ponies, instituted slavery all across Equestria, and have attempted to conquer the entire country as part of a racial-supremacist scheme to destroy ponykind isn't valid justification for ponies wanting revenge against changelings? I mean, really, Chrysalis is every bit as much of a war-criminal as the All-Maker, and her motivations seem to revolve largely around greed (having a desire to build herself an empire); at least the Temple wants to help Equestria on some level, even if their methods for doing so are extreme.

Well then Celestia wouldn't want an alliance with ether of them being both genocidal maniacs. It's like having to decide between Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. If that's a good comparison...

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Well then Celestia wouldn't want an alliance with ether of them being both genocidal maniacs. It's like having to decide between Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. If that's a good comparison...

So, Celestia would rather let her country fall into oblivion, with her army under attack from all fronts, and face inevitable defeat and the toppling of her regime, dooming all of Equestria to either conquest by the changeling empire (and subsequent mass-enslavement across Equestria) or the rise of a new Equestrian government of militant religious zealots (and subsequent mass-extermination campaigns against changelings), than come to a peaceful agreement with one of them and create a more tempered ending to the war? Sounds like she really doesn't grasp the idea of realpolitik, in that case.

[The Flutterlands]

Well then Celestia wouldn't want an alliance with ether of them being both genocidal maniacs. It's like having to decide between Hitler or Osama Bin Ladin. If that's a good comparison...

So, Celestia would rather let her country fall into oblivion, with her army under attack from all fronts, and face inevitable defeat and the toppling of her regime, dooming all of Equestria to either conquest by the changeling empire (and subsequent mass-enslavement across Equestria) or the rise of a new Equestrian government of militant religious zealots (and subsequent mass-extermination campaigns against changelings), than come to a peaceful agreement with one of them and create a more tempered ending to the war? Sounds like she really doesn't grasp the idea of realpolitik, in that case.

She would try to come to terms with ether both or nether....

[Frenequesta]

So, Celestia would rather let her country fall into oblivion, with her army under attack from all fronts, and face inevitable defeat and the toppling of her regime, dooming all of Equestria to either conquest by the changeling empire (and subsequent mass-enslavement across Equestria) or the rise of a new Equestrian government of militant religious zealots (and subsequent mass-extermination campaigns against changelings), than come to a peaceful agreement with one of them and create a more tempered ending to the war? Sounds like she really doesn't grasp the idea of realpolitik, in that case.

She would try to come to terms with ether both or nether....

That's going to be an odd sight having both the Empire and the Temple at the negotiating table.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

She would try to come to terms with ether both or nether....

Chrysalis is a changeling-supremacist; she wants to conquer all of Equestria and establish changeling hegemony based on a zealous hatred of ponies. The All-Maker has a millennia-old vendetta against the changeling race, which he universally considers to be abominations deserving of death. Call me a skeptic, but I don't really think it would be possible for Celestia to make peace with them both; there's just a wee bit too much mutual hatred and genocidal-sentiment for an arrangement to be considered acceptable by all parties involved.

Either way, if you're unsatisfied with the ending concept I drafted (Celestia, knowing her demise is inevitable if she continues a two-fronted war, decides to work with the rebels, ultimately leading to a major victory against the changelings followed by political fragmentation of Equestria; I thought it was a pretty solid way to implement the idea Fren put forward), what exactly is your idea for the ending?

That's going to be an odd sight having both the Empire and the Temple at the negotiating table.

That it would be; it would be like having Sunni and Shi'ite jihadist zealots come together for a peace conference. It probably wouldn't end well, I reckon.

[The Flutterlands]

We could go Israel and Palestine way if that's possible. Kind of similar don't you think?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

We could go Israel and Palestine way if that's possible. Kind of similar don't you think?

Wouldn't that kinda fuck up the prospects of Equestrian reunification? It's not necessarily a bad idea, but it would make political cooperation a very unlikely possibility.

Either way, me, personally, I think it would be better to have many different small countries and city-states, as opposed to just having the Celestial regime, the Changeling Empire, and the Temple of Vision; it would offer a lot of possibilities for unique environments, and give people a lot of potential political figures to create (since I assume we want the next incarnation to focus on politics, seeing as the theme was supposed to be Equestrian reunification).

[The Flutterlands]

We could go Israel and Palestine way if that's possible. Kind of similar don't you think?

Wouldn't that kinda fuck up the prospects of Equestrian reunification? It's not necessarily a bad idea, but it would make political cooperation a very unlikely possibility.

Either way, me, personally, I think it would be better to have many different small countries and city-states, as opposed to just having the Celestial regime, the Changeling Empire, and the Temple of Vision; it would offer a lot of possibilities for unique environments, and give people a lot of potential political figures to create (since I assume we want the next incarnation to focus on politics, seeing as the theme was supposed to be Equestrian reunification).

Well, it would be Celestia's regime, Chrysalis's Empire, the Temple of Vision, Razor Wimg's Changeling Republic, The Sand Changeling Territories, and the Crystal Empire.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Well, it would be Celestia's regime, Chrysalis's Empire, the Temple of Vision, Razor Wimg's Changeling Republic, The Sand Changeling Territories, and the Crystal Empire.

The Crystal Empire would still be, at least nominally, under the control of Celestia's government, right? I mean, they wouldn't really have much reason to declare independence; not going under this chain of events, anyway. And, of course, Razor Wing might not necessarily be a subject of Celestia, but he is still very much so aligned towards Celestial interests, making him, for all intents and purposes, part of her faction. Then, the Sand Changelings are, from my understanding, pure isolationists who probably wouldn't have very much involvement in Equestrian politics. Well, they might become more involved after Temple-perpetrated genocide against them, but I certainly don't think anyone would describe them as being an important player in the political scene.

[The Flutterlands]

Well, it would be Celestia's regime, Chrysalis's Empire, the Temple of Vision, Razor Wimg's Changeling Republic, The Sand Changeling Territories, and the Crystal Empire.

The Crystal Empire would still be, at least nominally, under the control of Celestia's government, right? I mean, they wouldn't really have much reason to declare independence; not going under this chain of events, anyway. And, of course, Razor Wing might not necessarily be a subject of Celestia, but he is still very much so aligned towards Celestial interests, making him, for all intents and purposes, part of her faction. Then, the Sand Changelings are, from my understanding, pure isolationists who probably wouldn't have very much involvement in Equestrian politics. Well, they might become more involved after Temple-perpetrated genocide against them, but I certainly don't think anyone would describe them as being an important player in the political scene.

But that's six factions already. Unless we could include a Confederacy of Independent Changeling Colonies and Hives.

Any other ideas for factions? We don't want too many, right?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

But that's six factions already. Unless we could include a Confederacy of Independent Changeling Colonies and Hives.

Any other ideas for factions? We don't want too many, right?

It won't really be possible to have a comprehensive list of factions until we've decided how the war will end, because that will have a pretty major impact on the political situation within Equestria. If we go back to the idea of a victory against Chrysalis followed by independence referendums, there's a ton of possibilities for new factions/countries; there would be a lot of room to create something new and unique. If we go along with the ceasefire/three-sided truce idea, there would primarily be just the three factions (the Celestial regime, the Temple, and the Empire) and a couple minor groups. Alternatively, we could go down a Chrysalis-victory route, which would make a much more changeling-centered political scene with the changeling kingdoms being at the forefront, and there would be a number of pony-resistance movements (probably with the Temple of Vision at the helm). Then there's the route of having Celestia manage to overcome her overwhelming opposition and straight-up win both the civil war and the Pony-Changeling war, which would probably create a Reconstruction-era American south kind of political climate.

There's a lot of possibilities, and it really depends on how this incarnation ends.

[The Xenomorph species]

Name: Calorine Eclipse
Species: Changling
Sex: Female
Residence: Canterlot
Occupation: Royal guard
Appearance: (pony form) (if I need to get rid of this that's fine but I am pretty sure changelings can create original forms, because that one from the crystalline could turn into a rock) A black mare with A dark purple main and tail, purple eyes, her horn is red at the end.
Cutie mark: a black sword with a blue and pink dotted vortex behind it, and at the center of the hilt of the blade is a black snake with ruby eyes
Bio (two paragraphs minimum): once she had matured into a full grown changeling, she was sent to canterlot to infiltrate there rank and eventually tear them apart from the inside, after the attack at the canterlot wedding had failed (im stil working on this part)
Personality: Bold and Easily angered, hates crowded places, and also hates bright lights
Number 30 (don't delete)

[The Flutterlands]

Name: Calorine Eclipse
Species: Changling
Sex: Female
Residence: Canterlot
Occupation: Royal guard
Appearance: (pony form) (if I need to get rid of this that's fine but I am pretty sure changelings can create original forms, because that one from the crystalline could turn into a rock) A black mare with A dark purple main and tail, purple eyes, her horn is red at the end.
Cutie mark: a black sword with a blue and pink dotted vortex behind it, and at the center of the hilt of the blade is a black snake with ruby eyes
Bio (two paragraphs minimum): once she had matured into a full grown changeling, she was sent to canterlot to infiltrate there rank and eventually tear them apart from the inside, after the attack at the canterlot wedding had failed (im stil working on this part)
Personality: Bold and Easily angered, hates crowded places, and also hates bright lights
Number 30 (don't delete)

Would wish you to expand bio to two paragraphs.

That being said, we're currently wrapping up this rp and making a sequel.

[The Xenomorph species]

ok, then can my OC join the sequel instead, im also working on my bio when I can, but I have school part of the day and some otherthing after that, im only checking right now cause I got a break :/ , but ill continue to work on my OC in the meantime, but I would enjoy RolePlaying again, its been a while

[The Xenomorph species]

also whats the The Sequel going to be called? or is it already started?

[The Flutterlands]

also whats the The Sequel going to be called? or is it already started?

We're still working on the concept. Waiting for input from Fren.

[The Xenomorph species]

ok, well in my free time ill try and work on my bio the best I can, I prefer to RP my backstory than make it from scratch though XD so it might take me a while and none of my friends are MLP fans and the one that is is not a Roleplayer ;( but ok

[The Xenomorph species]

also telegram me when its ready ill want to join

[The Flutterlands]

So are we gonna continue discussing the sequel?

[Frenequesta]

So are we gonna continue discussing the sequel?

I'm sorry, I've been busy all weekend with a project due Friday. I'll post my review tonight.

In the meantime, you should at least have Celestial respond to Dparkling Coffee's letter and wrap up the polo game.

[The Flutterlands]

So are we gonna continue discussing the sequel?

I'm sorry, I've been busy all weekend with a project due Friday. I'll post my review tonight.

In the meantime, you should at least have Celestial respond to Dparkling Coffee's letter and wrap up the polo game.

I will when I'm ready.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

So are we gonna continue discussing the sequel?

I don't really have any new comments at the moment; I've already put forth my ideas, and commented on every other idea put forward. There's nothing else I have to say, at least until someone adds something new.

I'm also probably not going to be making any more IC posts for the foreseeable future; I don't believe there's anything I need to finish up before we get to the conclusion, so I'll just let you two finish your subplots.