[P2TM Chat] The Restaurant at the End of the Multiverse III

[The Burning Sun]

This is only assuming that the current capitalist system remains in place. Santa -- especially given his penchant for the colour red and habit of distributing presents at no cost -- is obviously a socialist, although it is unclear how ethical the working conditions of his elves are. In any case, it can be assumed that Santa would support a workers' revolution (for humans, at least), ensuring a green communist future for mankind and making coal obsolete.

That said, it is possible that Santa's regime remains unethical due to elf exploitation. This is where Krampus comes in: he serves to rally the elves to revolt, and they will seize the means of toy production from the increasingly-authoritarian Santa. Krampus also serves to find and punish counterrevolutionaries and capitalists, ensuring that humankind never regresses back to the unsustainable ways of the past.

I'm not sure Santa has the volume needed to crash the market; even supposing he gives five full kilograms to each naughty child, and assuming all children receive coal and are naughty, then we come to 1.9 billion children * 5 kg = 9.5 billion kg of coal, or 9.5 million tonnes, equal to less than 2.5% of the total production of bituminous coal in Australia in the 2010-2011 financial year^[1].

However, assuming the inherent flaws of capitalism, or instability in the transition away from it will produce economic downturn to the point where coal use will be increased is not overly implausible.

Even that considered, though, despite Santa's socialistic tendencies, may not subscribe to "mainstream" Marxist doctrine; given he has little history of agitating for revolution, he may well be a gradualist, a democratic socialist, an entryist, a pacifist socialist, a trade unionist, a fellow traveller, even. His socialism may even be questioned; capitalism has had a significant impact on him, e.g. the Coca Cola interventions of the 20th century, though the potential entryism of Coca Cola may be otherwise discussed.

The elves' conditions are unclear; inspection seems to suggest that the HDI of the North Pole is very high, and there is no evidence of dissent in what publication we do have^[2]. It may even be possible that the media suppresses details of the North Pole in the fears that it will provide a working model for socialism, though I personally believe this level of conspiracy is overstated and nonexistent. The North Pole may simply be a well-organised commune, endowed by magical natural and elvish/human resources, and even provides an example of interspecies cooperation. Its population may be below the Dunbar number, or the number may be different for elves. The role of Santa in the North Pole suggests some level of hierarchy; it may be suggested Santa is therefore, if socialist, not an anarcho-socialist, or is a Marxist-Leninist, or holds some other vanguardist position.

The Krampus is a revolutionarily oriented figure, indeed, but his affiliation to Santa is unclear; he may be a North Poler. He also does not promote any doctrine but revolution, which is troubling.

The inherent flaws of capitalism indeed. Ignoring, for the moment, where all that coal is coming from, can you imagine the world transitioning to clean energy when we have a theoretically infinite supply of dirty energy that scales with the population?

[Alleniana]

I'm not sure Santa has the volume needed to crash the market; even supposing he gives five full kilograms to each naughty child, and assuming all children receive coal and are naughty, then we come to 1.9 billion children * 5 kg = 9.5 billion kg of coal, or 9.5 million tonnes, equal to less than 2.5% of the total production of bituminous coal in Australia in the 2010-2011 financial year^[1].

However, assuming the inherent flaws of capitalism, or instability in the transition away from it will produce economic downturn to the point where coal use will be increased is not overly implausible.

Even that considered, though, despite Santa's socialistic tendencies, may not subscribe to "mainstream" Marxist doctrine; given he has little history of agitating for revolution, he may well be a gradualist, a democratic socialist, an entryist, a pacifist socialist, a trade unionist, a fellow traveller, even. His socialism may even be questioned; capitalism has had a significant impact on him, e.g. the Coca Cola interventions of the 20th century, though the potential entryism of Coca Cola may be otherwise discussed.

The elves' conditions are unclear; inspection seems to suggest that the HDI of the North Pole is very high, and there is no evidence of dissent in what publication we do have^[2]. It may even be possible that the media suppresses details of the North Pole in the fears that it will provide a working model for socialism, though I personally believe this level of conspiracy is overstated and nonexistent. The North Pole may simply be a well-organised commune, endowed by magical natural and elvish/human resources, and even provides an example of interspecies cooperation. Its population may be below the Dunbar number, or the number may be different for elves. The role of Santa in the North Pole suggests some level of hierarchy; it may be suggested Santa is therefore, if socialist, not an anarcho-socialist, or is a Marxist-Leninist, or holds some other vanguardist position.

The Krampus is a revolutionarily oriented figure, indeed, but his affiliation to Santa is unclear; he may be a North Poler. He also does not promote any doctrine but revolution, which is troubling.

The inherent flaws of capitalism indeed. Ignoring, for the moment, where all that coal is coming from, can you imagine the world transitioning to clean energy when we have a theoretically infinite supply of dirty energy that scales with the population?

Deaths by air pollution are increasingly important; human resources are important. The benefits of renewable energy will show, in my opinion, and displace coal should coal not receive too many more subsidies.

[Lavan Tiri]

I'm not sure Santa has the volume needed to crash the market; even supposing he gives five full kilograms to each naughty child, and assuming all children receive coal and are naughty, then we come to 1.9 billion children * 5 kg = 9.5 billion kg of coal, or 9.5 million tonnes, equal to less than 2.5% of the total production of bituminous coal in Australia in the 2010-2011 financial year^[1].

However, assuming the inherent flaws of capitalism, or instability in the transition away from it will produce economic downturn to the point where coal use will be increased is not overly implausible.

Even that considered, though, despite Santa's socialistic tendencies, may not subscribe to "mainstream" Marxist doctrine; given he has little history of agitating for revolution, he may well be a gradualist, a democratic socialist, an entryist, a pacifist socialist, a trade unionist, a fellow traveller, even. His socialism may even be questioned; capitalism has had a significant impact on him, e.g. the Coca Cola interventions of the 20th century, though the potential entryism of Coca Cola may be otherwise discussed.

The elves' conditions are unclear; inspection seems to suggest that the HDI of the North Pole is very high, and there is no evidence of dissent in what publication we do have^[2]. It may even be possible that the media suppresses details of the North Pole in the fears that it will provide a working model for socialism, though I personally believe this level of conspiracy is overstated and nonexistent. The North Pole may simply be a well-organised commune, endowed by magical natural and elvish/human resources, and even provides an example of interspecies cooperation. Its population may be below the Dunbar number, or the number may be different for elves. The role of Santa in the North Pole suggests some level of hierarchy; it may be suggested Santa is therefore, if socialist, not an anarcho-socialist, or is a Marxist-Leninist, or holds some other vanguardist position.

The Krampus is a revolutionarily oriented figure, indeed, but his affiliation to Santa is unclear; he may be a North Poler. He also does not promote any doctrine but revolution, which is troubling.

Well, whatever Santa's ideological leaning, it can't be denied that the North Pole's diplomatic relations with the Western World is rock solid, as are relations with most Christian-majority countries. Media in the United States have shown a shocking lack of criticism for North Polar domestic affairs, not unlike the lack of information in the First World on the continuing plight of Sub-Saharan African countries. Santa's total control over domestic media and internet only served to blur the reality of his regime in the North Pole further. Dissent only appears to be non-existent, but it's entirely possible his security apparatus ensures that no dissent is ever heard of, even among the local elfen population.

There may be no dissent; even the most brutal dictators can erect a cult of personality that stops dissent before it starts. The difference is, Santa has an extraordinary PR network, such that even in lands where he has no direct control, he is revered.

And speaking of Christian nations, are we ignoring Santa's obvious religious connections? Does he use a combination of a personality cult, an oppressive-but-benevolent rule, and "divine right" to control and cow his population, while having Krampus as his agent to stir up rebellion, in order to sort out those who would seek to overthrow him?

[Finland SSR]

I'm not sure Santa has the volume needed to crash the market; even supposing he gives five full kilograms to each naughty child, and assuming all children receive coal and are naughty, then we come to 1.9 billion children * 5 kg = 9.5 billion kg of coal, or 9.5 million tonnes, equal to less than 2.5% of the total production of bituminous coal in Australia in the 2010-2011 financial year^[1].

However, assuming the inherent flaws of capitalism, or instability in the transition away from it will produce economic downturn to the point where coal use will be increased is not overly implausible.

Even that considered, though, despite Santa's socialistic tendencies, may not subscribe to "mainstream" Marxist doctrine; given he has little history of agitating for revolution, he may well be a gradualist, a democratic socialist, an entryist, a pacifist socialist, a trade unionist, a fellow traveller, even. His socialism may even be questioned; capitalism has had a significant impact on him, e.g. the Coca Cola interventions of the 20th century, though the potential entryism of Coca Cola may be otherwise discussed.

The elves' conditions are unclear; inspection seems to suggest that the HDI of the North Pole is very high, and there is no evidence of dissent in what publication we do have^[2]. It may even be possible that the media suppresses details of the North Pole in the fears that it will provide a working model for socialism, though I personally believe this level of conspiracy is overstated and nonexistent. The North Pole may simply be a well-organised commune, endowed by magical natural and elvish/human resources, and even provides an example of interspecies cooperation. Its population may be below the Dunbar number, or the number may be different for elves. The role of Santa in the North Pole suggests some level of hierarchy; it may be suggested Santa is therefore, if socialist, not an anarcho-socialist, or is a Marxist-Leninist, or holds some other vanguardist position.

The Krampus is a revolutionarily oriented figure, indeed, but his affiliation to Santa is unclear; he may be a North Poler. He also does not promote any doctrine but revolution, which is troubling.

Well, whatever Santa's ideological leaning, it can't be denied that the North Pole's diplomatic relations with the Western World is rock solid, as are relations with most Christian-majority countries. Media in the United States have shown a shocking lack of criticism for North Polar domestic affairs, not unlike the lack of information in the First World on the continuing plight of Sub-Saharan African countries. Santa's total control over domestic media and internet only served to blur the reality of his regime in the North Pole further. Dissent only appears to be non-existent, but it's entirely possible his security apparatus ensures that no dissent is ever heard of, even among the local elfen population.

Santa's definitely a Lithuanian revolutionary.

Ey, Wolfie, I see that you've been following my timeline on AH.com for a while now. How is it?

[Wolfenium]

Well, whatever Santa's ideological leaning, it can't be denied that the North Pole's diplomatic relations with the Western World is rock solid, as are relations with most Christian-majority countries. Media in the United States have shown a shocking lack of criticism for North Polar domestic affairs, not unlike the lack of information in the First World on the continuing plight of Sub-Saharan African countries. Santa's total control over domestic media and internet only served to blur the reality of his regime in the North Pole further. Dissent only appears to be non-existent, but it's entirely possible his security apparatus ensures that no dissent is ever heard of, even among the local elfen population.

Santa's definitely a Lithuanian revolutionary.

Ey, Wolfie, I see that you've been following my timeline on AH.com for a while now. How is it?

Looks interesting. I like that it has its ups and downs and that it opted to take the Orthodox path instead of Catholicism. The dank memes, though, are pretty awkward and discomforting, and it brought the ire of the mods. >_>

Unfortunately, I've run into some pretty heavy writer's block on my timeline, so I'd have to slow down there. If you have any ideas of what I should go for next, I'm all ears.

[Finland SSR]

Santa's definitely a Lithuanian revolutionary.

Ey, Wolfie, I see that you've been following my timeline on AH.com for a while now. How is it?

Looks interesting. I like that it has its ups and downs and that it opted to take the Orthodox path instead of Catholicism. The dank memes, though, are pretty awkward and discomforting, and it brought the ire of the mods. >_>

Unfortunately, I've run into some pretty heavy writer's block on my timeline, so I'd have to slow down there. If you have any ideas of what I should go for next, I'm all ears.

Well the memes have been purged a long time ago, I thought you noticed it by now?

You should do something about Lithuania. It's only logical.

[Wolfenium]

Looks interesting. I like that it has its ups and downs and that it opted to take the Orthodox path instead of Catholicism. The dank memes, though, are pretty awkward and discomforting, and it brought the ire of the mods. >_>

Unfortunately, I've run into some pretty heavy writer's block on my timeline, so I'd have to slow down there. If you have any ideas of what I should go for next, I'm all ears.

Well the memes have been purged a long time ago, I thought you noticed it by now?

You should do something about Lithuania. It's only logical.

Yea, I saw the mod order and changes. I think I like the Lithuanian banner better. Also, I have plans for the Balts, don't worry. Just need to iron things out a bit. :3

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

If Santa hands out coal to naughty boys, Trump should have enough to power the towers.

[Malifaux City]

If Santa hands out coal to naughty boys, Trump should have enough to power the towers.

Yes, but only "clean" coal.

[Lavan Tiri]

Y'ALL. Carrie Fisher's dead.

[Wolfenium]

Y'ALL. Carrie Fisher's dead.

May the Force be with her. ;_;

[Minroz]

Y'ALL. Carrie Fisher's dead.

May the Force be with her. *sniffles*

[Skarten]

Hi.
I'm new to da thread

You know when you get hyped for an RP But it doesn't exist?

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

That's usually the part where I make said RP.

[Skarten]

That's usually the part where I make said RP.

I don't know.

I was thinking of a "Prison RP" (Be a guard or prisoner,Idk)

I'm talking with it in my region..

They're trying to think a characther based RP.

[Achesia]

That's usually the part where I make said RP.

I don't know.

I was thinking of a "Prison RP" (Be a guard or prisoner,Idk)

I'm talking with it in my region..

They're trying to think a characther based RP.

The brainstorming thread is usually a good place to gauge interest for ideas.

[Achesia]

Y'ALL. Carrie Fisher's dead.

Supposedly she finished her shoots for Epp VIII though.

[Grenartia]

Y'ALL. Carrie Fisher's dead.

Supposedly she finished her shoots for Epp VIII though.

But still. She's dead. Irregardless of her finishing Ep 8, the fact is, she's no longer with us.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Y'ALL. Carrie Fisher's dead.

It's a shame, was watching Star Wars on television just the other day.

[The Armed Republic of Dutch Coolness]

Y'ALL. Carrie Fisher's dead.

It's a shame, was watching Star Wars on television just the other day.

I just came back from Rogue One when news about that got out.

[Achesia]

Supposedly she finished her shoots for Epp VIII though.

But still. She's dead. Irregardless of her finishing Ep 8, the fact is, she's no longer with us.

Not my point but ok, yes it is very tragic.

[Achesia]

But still. She's dead. Irregardless of her finishing Ep 8, the fact is, she's no longer with us.

Not my point but ok, yes it is very tragic.

In fact her mother Debbie Reynolds just died as well. Damn...

[Occupied Deutschland]

Not my point but ok, yes it is very tragic.

In fact her mother Debbie Reynolds just died as well. Damn...

Always comes in threes. Seems like George Michael, Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds wrapped up 2016.
...Probably. There are still a few days left. *sigh*

[Achesia]

In fact her mother Debbie Reynolds just died as well. Damn...

Always comes in threes. Seems like George Michael, Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds wrapped up 2016.
...Probably. There are still a few days left. *sigh*

There was a few more wasnt there? Just last week?

[The Mystery Bard]

That moment when you casually tell your grandparents that your growing your hair down to your shoulders and thinking of maybe having it curled(to add some style) and they go into mad hysterics about "damned hippies and potheads!"