The Mechanics' Guild: An RP(G) Community

[Lord Dominator]

I've been thinking of leaving NS as a whole.

Leave? But this is such a wonderful place! Why would anyone want to ever leave?

Calling all mods. Thought crime in progress on thread #20583.

This reminds me, I need to do a 1984 mechanics RP at some point.

I wasn't aware leaving was an option

[Harkback Union]

Leave? But this is such a wonderful place! Why would anyone want to ever leave?

Calling all mods. Thought crime in progress on thread #20583.

This reminds me, I need to do a 1984 mechanics RP at some point.

I wasn't aware leaving was an option

It is not!

[Dragos Bee]

I wasn't aware leaving was an option

It is not!

It is. And quite frankly, G-Tech's recent remarks on Corporate Cosmos have diminished any chance of reconcilliation.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Leave? But this is such a wonderful place! Why would anyone want to ever leave?

Calling all mods. Thought crime in progress on thread #20583.

This reminds me, I need to do a 1984 mechanics RP at some point.

I wasn't aware leaving was an option

Part of the ship? Part of the crew?

It'll be a sad day when Jack Sparrow references are no longer current.

[Harkback Union]

I wasn't aware leaving was an option

Part of the ship? Part of the crew?

It'll be a sad day when Jack Sparrow references are no longer current.

I missed out on all the Pirates of the Caribbean movies.

[Harkback Union]

It is not!

It is. And quite frankly, G-Tech's recent remarks on Corporate Cosmos have diminished any chance of reconcilliation.

WAIT! Don't do it! There are plenty of things you are yet to experience!

Like, one of my dungeons roleplays!

Look, I had many arguments with G-tech. I had any arguments with many people on this site. Everyone's arguing about random things left and right, this is the internet after all.

I argued over elusive airships, tanks crossing jungles, invincible ironclads, metal jackets and even grain. F#&@ing Grain...

None of it made any sense to argue over, in retrospect, but people tend to take things too personally.
General Advice, don't take anything personally. I might disagree with some people's views, including G-tech (damn you G-tech for exploiting all the loop-holes and sweet talking your way into OP secret projects) but if he was to take issue what something in my roleplays, its not an attack on me, or anyone else. Just because you disagree on something shouldn't make you hate each other. Well, there are sometimes a few people who would attack you, rather then what you believe or something roleplay related, but that's what the mods are for.

Also, one more thing. We need people with different views. We need fascists, communist, libertarians, christians, jews, muslims, bronies, bikers and bisexuals to make for interesting roleplays. There are few things more fun then wars over religion and ideology, save for motorcycle gang crushing the skulls of those annoying little magic ponies beneath their tires...

I mean, imagine if everyone thought like you. Who'd play the bad guys? Of course, everyone thinks that the other side is playing bad, but that's the best part.

[Dragos Bee]

It is. And quite frankly, G-Tech's recent remarks on Corporate Cosmos have diminished any chance of reconcilliation.

WAIT! Don't do it! There are plenty of things you are yet to experience!

Like, one of my dungeons roleplays!

Look, I had many arguments with G-tech. I had any arguments with many people on this site. Everyone's arguing about random things left and right, this is the internet after all.

I argued over elusive airships, tanks crossing jungles, invincible ironclads, metal jackets and even grain. F#&@ing Grain...

None of it made any sense to argue over, in retrospect, but people tend to take things too personally.
General Advice, don't take anything personally. I might disagree with some people's views, including G-tech (damn you G-tech for exploiting all the loop-holes and sweet talking your way into OP secret projects) but if he was to take issue what something in my roleplays, its not an attack on me, or anyone else. Just because you disagree on something shouldn't make you hate each other. Well, there are sometimes a few people who would attack you, rather then what you believe or something roleplay related, but that's what the mods are for.

Also, one more thing. We need people with different views. We need fascists, communist, libertarians, christians, jews, muslims, bronies, bikers and bisexuals to make for interesting roleplays. There are few things more fun then wars over religion and ideology, save for motorcycle gang crushing the skulls of those annoying little magic ponies beneath their tires...

I mean, imagine if everyone thought like you. Who'd play the bad guys? Of course, everyone thinks that the other side is playing bad, but that's the best part.

I reconciled with G-Tech, but I still greatly ponder dropping out of NS.

[G-Tech Corporation]

and even grain. F#&@ing Grain...

Funnily enough I was just considering if I could do a new take on that RP just literally yesterday.

[Harkback Union]

and even grain. F#&@ing Grain...

Funnily enough I was just considering if I could do a new take on that RP just literally yesterday.

I love those kinds of RPs, but they are the most tiresome to run. Pioneers, Babylon, Neonscape, pretty much everything requires your attention. Sometimes I can't wait for someone to post so I can reply, but if I log on and there are 5 - 10 unresolved post, and people are complaining about delays, things start falling apart and I lose morale, until I just give up. I'm thinking maybe it would be worth a try to do these live, through voice chat, so the workload doesn't build up. I wonder if anyone would be interested in that...

[G-Tech Corporation]

Funnily enough I was just considering if I could do a new take on that RP just literally yesterday.

I love those kinds of RPs, but they are the most tiresome to run. Pioneers, Babylon, Neonscape, pretty much everything requires your attention. Sometimes I can't wait for someone to post so I can reply, but if I log on and there are 5 - 10 unresolved post, and people are complaining about delays, things start falling apart and I lose morale, until I just give up. I'm thinking maybe it would be worth a try to do these live, through voice chat, so the workload doesn't build up. I wonder if anyone would be interested in that...

Yeah, I feel that. I find I have to have a stake in the story in order to be bothered to do the work that those require, for sure. One of the reasons I've been enjoying Corporate Cosmos is all the work it requires me to do is the occasional TG wrangling, and even that is nothing compared to Last Colonies. If it wasn't for OOC drama and endless faffery, it would be extremely reasonable in terms of maintenance.

[Lord Dominator]

I wasn't aware leaving was an option

Part of the ship? Part of the crew?

It'll be a sad day when Jack Sparrow references are no longer current.

Jack Sparrow references aren't usually what I look for when reading NS (and I've only seen the first 3 movies, like once each)

save for motorcycle gang crushing the skulls of those annoying little magic ponies beneath their tires...

Booooo

[Indo-pasif archipelago]

and even grain. F#&@ing Grain...

Am I a bad person to laugh at this

[Esternial]

I'm going to keep an eye on this again.

[Dragos Bee]

Back in NS; turns out I am being paranoid.

[The Burning Sun]

What in the absolute fuck happened between the two of you? How did a rules dispute become...whatever happened while I was gone?

Jeez, whatever. What do you mean by being paranoid?

[Harkback Union]

You must not click this link!

[The Burning Sun]

You must not click this link!

Fool! That link is already blue! My mystical powers strike again!

[Dragos Bee]

What in the absolute fuck happened between the two of you? How did a rules dispute become...whatever happened while I was gone?

Jeez, whatever. What do you mean by being paranoid?

Let's not talk about it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hey guys, so looking for some quick feedback on Corporate Cosmos, for those who participated. Any reason you stopped posting or left the RP? I thought the setting, particularly letting folks build their own research and mechanics, was a solid concept, but we never got very far despite the potential of “Earth starting FTL travel”. Thoughts on how it could be changed to be more viable?

[Dragos Bee]

Hey guys, so looking for some quick feedback on Corporate Cosmos, for those who participated. Any reason you stopped posting or left the RP? I thought the setting, particularly letting folks build their own research and mechanics, was a solid concept, but we never got very far despite the potential of “Earth starting FTL travel”. Thoughts on how it could be changed to be more viable?

Well, I said most of what I had to say already as regards the mechanics, but I think that making Transfer Assets free from the start was a good thing. There should also be more ways to reduce the effective strength of NPC provinces from the start.

[Harkback Union]

Hey guys, so looking for some quick feedback on Corporate Cosmos, for those who participated. Any reason you stopped posting or left the RP?

Test season.
I still have one more to go...

[The Burning Sun]

Hey guys, so looking for some quick feedback on Corporate Cosmos, for those who participated. Any reason you stopped posting or left the RP? I thought the setting, particularly letting folks build their own research and mechanics, was a solid concept, but we never got very far despite the potential of “Earth starting FTL travel”. Thoughts on how it could be changed to be more viable?

It was too slow to get off the ground. I've always thought you and Harkback had this weird fetish for making people start with nothing, which discourages many people because they want to run their faction a certain way but end up being restricted by their limited resources. If you gave everyone a solid base, as in Major Corp level, and made Advancements either easier to come by or more efficient so as to give players more actions to play with, things would have progressed much faster. And then, of course, the whole thing with Dragos pretty much killed it IMO.

[Dragos Bee]

Hey guys, so looking for some quick feedback on Corporate Cosmos, for those who participated. Any reason you stopped posting or left the RP? I thought the setting, particularly letting folks build their own research and mechanics, was a solid concept, but we never got very far despite the potential of “Earth starting FTL travel”. Thoughts on how it could be changed to be more viable?

It was too slow to get off the ground. I've always thought you and Harkback had this weird fetish for making people start with nothing, which discourages many people because they want to run their faction a certain way but end up being restricted by their limited resources. If you gave everyone a solid base, as in Major Corp level, and made Advancements either easier to come by or more efficient so as to give players more actions to play with, things would have progressed much faster. And then, of course, the whole thing with Dragos pretty much killed it IMO.

I noticed that too.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hey guys, so looking for some quick feedback on Corporate Cosmos, for those who participated. Any reason you stopped posting or left the RP? I thought the setting, particularly letting folks build their own research and mechanics, was a solid concept, but we never got very far despite the potential of “Earth starting FTL travel”. Thoughts on how it could be changed to be more viable?

It was too slow to get off the ground. I've always thought you and Harkback had this weird fetish for making people start with nothing, which discourages many people because they want to run their faction a certain way but end up being restricted by their limited resources. If you gave everyone a solid base, as in Major Corp level, and made Advancements either easier to come by or more efficient so as to give players more actions to play with, things would have progressed much faster. And then, of course, the whole thing with Dragos pretty much killed it IMO.

Hmm. Interesting take. Usually I hear complaints about too much complexity and too many choices, but you think the opposite was the problem?

I tend to start folks out slow to make RPs accessible to even those not overly familiar with how mechanics-based RPing works. Hark does the same, usually, but I wouldn’t call that a problem categorically. Too much choice drives people away as surely as too little. Even in the case of Cosmos, Britain felt they had made the wrong decisions, out of a very limited set of possibilities, and so effectively quit.

[Dragos Bee]

It was too slow to get off the ground. I've always thought you and Harkback had this weird fetish for making people start with nothing, which discourages many people because they want to run their faction a certain way but end up being restricted by their limited resources. If you gave everyone a solid base, as in Major Corp level, and made Advancements either easier to come by or more efficient so as to give players more actions to play with, things would have progressed much faster. And then, of course, the whole thing with Dragos pretty much killed it IMO.

Hmm. Interesting take. Usually I hear complaints about too much complexity and too many choices, but you think the opposite was the problem?

I tend to start folks out slow to make RPs accessible to even those not overly familiar with how mechanics-based RPing works. Hark does the same, usually, but I wouldn’t call that a problem categorically. Too much choice drives people away as surely as too little. Even in the case of Cosmos, Britain felt they had made the wrong decisions, out of a very limited set of possibilities, and so effectively quit.

In my opinion, it's not about too much or too little complexity/choices. I don't even know why you'd think that's the problem or what TBS was doing. No, when TBS said that you and Hark have a tendency to make people start with nothing, they meant that people start out poor, powerless, and bland. Being poor and powerless isn't a deal-breaker in many games, even in Corporate Cosmos. Being bland, however, is. I know we've trod over how mechanics is supposed to make players equal and reduce dependence on fluff and fancy not-necessarily-good writing, but the fact of the matter is that starting Corporations/Powers are bland. Corporate Regulations don't do enough and the Innovation Mechanic is expensive. What you should have done is add more customization options that are not penalized by the game.

D&D, for all its bad points, has customization options. Same for any good and popular Tabletop System. Some of the custom options might be overpowered and need nerfs, but a good GM can manage that with nerfs if need be. Add that to the fact that, contrary to popular opinion, customization options do not require adding too much complexity. Just have: [Power/Corporation] can have 3 - 5 Custom Achievements.

As for the bolded part, do not use me to bolster your position. Do not misrepresent me to bolster your arguments. That is a low blow. No, what drove me away was every possible choice in the aforementioned limited set of choices leading either to poverty or unwanted moral choices (aka being anti-poor and classist).

Edit: Misunderstand and misrepresent me and TBS again and I will have to add you as a Foe to avoid having to read your posts. In fact, I will do so temporarily right now as you have a history of completely missing the point and tackling topics that are tangential to the subject we are getting at.