Your opinion on a interesting fact about the AN (II)

[Ignis States]

I am correct in assuming Laurenç II was someone very unwelcoming and hostile to the idea of reform or progressive (for the age) policies? If so, and his daughter was someone much a person much closer to our time in ways of thinking, then I am rather pleased by the turn of events. I’m unsurprised to see Great Britain support such a figure though, particularly considering its own society at the time, and how one of its primary goals is the destabilisation of Europe since time immemorial.

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Versilian society has historically been largely matriarchal. Vampire women were able to become very powerful in human societies through the seduction and manipulation of human men throughout all of history, and this coincided with the tribal, strongly familial attachment vampire individuals shared with their relatives and adopted kin. When vampires migrated to what is now Versilia, women were at the forefront, managing the various families, working out deals and cementing interclan relationships whilst men dealt with mostly military or exploratory matters given the fact they’re more expendable than a female. This evolved into women overseeing familial finances, marriages (arranged and non-arranged), familial relations, blood lines, businesses, and other roles within the family. Due to this leaderly tradition it was only natural that women would be the most prominent in politics and administration. These matriarchal traditions continue to this day, albeit in a slightly more egalitarian fashion.

Matriarchy, huh? Never expected that from vampires, actually, but it’s definitely sensible in some ways.

In Ignis, homosexual relationships actively outnumber heterosexual ones due to how artificial creation of new Ignasae has largely supplanted procreation. The ratio is about 55% to 45%. This has led to a few unfortunate stereotypes about the Ignasae advocating free love, when in reality, monogamy is still considered the ideal relationship. They care about how many, just not who it’s with.

[Cossack Peoples]

Matriarchy, huh? Never expected that from vampires, actually, but it’s definitely sensible in some ways.

In Ignis, homosexual relationships actively outnumber heterosexual ones due to how artificial creation of new Ignasae has largely supplanted procreation. The ratio is about 55% to 45%. This has led to a few unfortunate stereotypes about the Ignasae advocating free love, when in reality, monogamy is still considered the ideal relationship. They care about how many, just not who it’s with.

You give your people personal freedom? Quite nice of a state you have there, very much would like to live there if not for the totalitarian ethnic homogenous state here
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This.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

Matriarchy, huh? Never expected that from vampires, actually, but it’s definitely sensible in some ways.

In Ignis, homosexual relationships actively outnumber heterosexual ones due to how artificial creation of new Ignasae has largely supplanted procreation. The ratio is about 55% to 45%. This has led to a few unfortunate stereotypes about the Ignasae advocating free love, when in reality, monogamy is still considered the ideal relationship. They care about how many, just not who it’s with.

You give your people personal freedom? Quite nice of a state you have there, very much would like to live there if not for the totalitarian ethnic homogenous state here
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This.

[The Zravvisk]

Matriarchy, huh? Never expected that from vampires, actually, but it’s definitely sensible in some ways.

In Ignis, homosexual relationships actively outnumber heterosexual ones due to how artificial creation of new Ignasae has largely supplanted procreation. The ratio is about 55% to 45%. This has led to a few unfortunate stereotypes about the Ignasae advocating free love, when in reality, monogamy is still considered the ideal relationship. They care about how many, just not who it’s with.

You give your people personal freedom? Quite nice of a state you have there, very much would like to live there if not for the totalitarian ethnic homogenous state here
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This.

How dangerous is your land that you need machine guns on your buses?

Zravvisk are very popular villains in action movies. This is because the zravvisk's amazing characteristics makes any battle against them a climatic spectacle plus many consider dragons to be awesome. Almost all zravvisk in movies are fake since space dragons are quite rare outside their Armada and even less have any interest in acting. The zravvisk are quite annoyed at their villainization and it hasn't done much for their reputation.

[Palmyrion]

You give your people personal freedom? Quite nice of a state you have there, very much would like to live there if not for the totalitarian ethnic homogenous state here
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This.

How dangerous is your land that you need machine guns on your buses?

Zravvisk are very popular villains in action movies. This is because the zravvisk's amazing characteristics makes any battle against them a climatic spectacle plus many consider dragons to be awesome. Almost all zravvisk in movies are fake since space dragons are quite rare outside their Armada and even less have any interest in acting. The zravvisk are quite annoyed at their villainization and it hasn't done much for their reputation.

High time to actually portray Zravvisk as protagonists then. Zravvisk aren't villainous per se.

While Palmyrion has normalised same sex and premarital intercourse, Palmyrian sexual morality is still considered conservative in the sense that monogamy and emotional connection are emphasised in spite of such.

For example, a one night stand would be considered unpalatable, even abhorrent in fringe cases, for the average Palmyrian, whereas friends with benefits won't bother Palmyrians one bit (except probably tradcons).

[Skyhooked]

Nice! Awesome! But that's still too conservative for our folks. In good ol' Skyhooked, we hardly even care about sex morality if it's between consenting adults. Polygamy and one night stands are a trivial matter for us. To each his own, we guess.

Skyhookedians are semi-nocturnal creatures. They see better in the dark, and for some reason need less sleep than average person. This is why they tend to have wild nightlife and in case of war, be lethal and dangerous foes at nights.

[Britannia Maior]

I personally find that hard to believe or justify, unless genetic engineering or some similar advanced technology was employed to change the very genetic code of most Skyhookedians. However even then there’s the issue that I can’t imagine Skyhookedians being particularly... intelligent or scientifically adept so the only answer I can think of is outside influences.

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The governing party in Britannia Maior values economic and political self-sufficiency and utilises an economically nationalistic framework in its economic policies. It does not discourage foreign trading, however, as international trade can do wonders in empowering a country on a global scale, it merely focuses on bolstering Britannian domestic markets, and ensuring the security of the state’s industries in the face of predatory foreign companies.

[Chiawica]

"It is ranked [RANK] on the Human Development Index, at 0.XXX HDI"

[Britannia Maior]

/stillme

[North German Realm]

I personally find that hard to believe or justify, unless genetic engineering or some similar advanced technology was employed to change the very genetic code of most Skyhookedians. However even then there’s the issue that I can’t imagine Skyhookedians being particularly... intelligent or scientifically adept so the only answer I can think of is outside influences.

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The governing party in Britannia Maior values economic and political self-sufficiency and utilises an economically nationalistic framework in its economic policies. It does not discourage foreign trading, however, as international trade can do wonders in empowering a country on a global scale, it merely focuses on bolstering Britannian domestic markets, and ensuring the security of the state’s industries in the face of predatory foreign companies.

Gotta admit, economic nationalism is something I support -it just makes sense for a country to concentrate more on its domestic producers and providers than it might the foreign.

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There are three permanent stations on the Moon. They were -in part- a result of the so-called Space Race between the multiple poles of the world that started in the 1960s and has been ongoing ever since. Each of these was named after a major astronaut in the station's nation's history in space, and the five stations typically have a better relationship with each other than their mother countries do on earth. The first is New Armstrong, built by the United States of America. The second is Mondhaven Merbold, build by North Germany. Helenia was the last -and the most recent- and it was built by the British Empire. North Germany in particular has expanded its station three times, and hopes to expanding the station into a permanent settlement, but we realize that it's not going to happen anytime soon. The US is... less worried about how soon it's going to be and more about how fast it can get there. The British station (Helenia) is -at this point- purely for Research and Development.

[Kihodova Hopi]

At first, I was a bit confused given the technological level of the NGR, but you cleared up that confusion after saying that it's pretty much a bunch of space stations rather than permanent settlements. I'm surprised the NGR/UK managed to get there before the Russians, Japanese, and even Chinese though. I'm blaming Kaiserbooism

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While the Comanche tribes and the Hopi have been at war multiple times and consider each other to be rivals, the Comanche tribes are the largest 'source' of outside husbands and wives. Due to the nomadic lifestyle of the Comanche, it is not uncommon for the Commanche and Hopi to intermingle with each other, often causing Commanches to abandon their tribes to marry Hopi and vice versa. This practice not against either culture's rules, though individual families are often displeased that their sons and daughters are running off with their enemy.

[Champagne Socialist Sharifistan]

At first, I was a bit confused given the technological level of the NGR, but you cleared up that confusion after saying that it's pretty much a bunch of space stations rather than permanent settlements. I'm surprised the NGR/UK managed to get there before the Russians, Japanese, and even Chinese though. I'm blaming Kaiserbooism

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While the Comanche tribes and the Hopi have been at war multiple times and consider each other to be rivals, the Comanche tribes are the largest 'source' of outside husbands and wives. Due to the nomadic lifestyle of the Comanche, it is not uncommon for the Commanche and Hopi to intermingle with each other, often causing Commanches to abandon their tribes to marry Hopi and vice versa. This practice not against either culture's rules, though individual families are often displeased that their sons and daughters are running off with their enemy.

Cool.
I quite like the Comanche.

In Sharifistan police officers have to go to university and then two police graduate training.
This is considered similar to going to medical or law school but one year of it is an apprenticeship the other a classroom course.

[Arkeyana]

At first, I was a bit confused given the technological level of the NGR, but you cleared up that confusion after saying that it's pretty much a bunch of space stations rather than permanent settlements. I'm surprised the NGR/UK managed to get there before the Russians, Japanese, and even Chinese though. I'm blaming Kaiserbooism

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While the Comanche tribes and the Hopi have been at war multiple times and consider each other to be rivals, the Comanche tribes are the largest 'source' of outside husbands and wives. Due to the nomadic lifestyle of the Comanche, it is not uncommon for the Commanche and Hopi to intermingle with each other, often causing Commanches to abandon their tribes to marry Hopi and vice versa. This practice not against either culture's rules, though individual families are often displeased that their sons and daughters are running off with their enemy.

er, honestly, that...sounds pretty odd. You'd think there'd be greater stigma against that considering their relations.

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I see, although one would've though police would get more training than that?

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While the Federation is notorious for settling ground-based combat with nanotech swarms, this does not mean they lack a dedicated "ground" force. The HDF(Habitat Defense Force) is a branch of the military called upon when an Arkeyanan habitat has been boarded/landed on, and consists of not only Angelnets but numerous types of soldiers, mobile nanoforges, "atmospheric" fighter craft, and even mecha in some cases.

[Bloodshade]

At first, I was a bit confused given the technological level of the NGR, but you cleared up that confusion after saying that it's pretty much a bunch of space stations rather than permanent settlements. I'm surprised the NGR/UK managed to get there before the Russians, Japanese, and even Chinese though. I'm blaming Kaiserbooism

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While the Comanche tribes and the Hopi have been at war multiple times and consider each other to be rivals, the Comanche tribes are the largest 'source' of outside husbands and wives. Due to the nomadic lifestyle of the Comanche, it is not uncommon for the Commanche and Hopi to intermingle with each other, often causing Commanches to abandon their tribes to marry Hopi and vice versa. This practice not against either culture's rules, though individual families are often displeased that their sons and daughters are running off with their enemy.

It's rather odd that both tribes seem to be finding love in times of war. You'd think that at such a point, both would rather confederate or ally with one another or maybe just at least stay out of each other's way. Both tribes would also possibly have a high number of kin-slayers considering the amount of inter-mixing taking place. There will come a point when both tribes share a blood relation one another that the wars between themselves would be considered as family disputes. I believe that a confederation of some sorts would be a better alternative for both sides if such intermixing has been going on for a long time. They might as well start early. Drawn out wars are like leeches and they'd be just leaving themselves vulnerable to any ambitious tribes or foreign expeditions.

er, honestly, that...sounds pretty odd. You'd think there'd be greater stigma against that considering their relations.

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I see, although one would've though police would get more training than that?

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While the Federation is notorious for settling ground-based combat with nanotech swarms, this does not mean they lack a dedicated "ground" force. The HDF(Habitat Defense Force) is a branch of the military called upon when an Arkeyanan habitat has been boarded/landed on, and consists of not only Angelnets but numerous types of soldiers, mobile nanoforges, "atmospheric" fighter craft, and even mecha in some cases.

I do wonder what the Federation would face that would require them to use anything other than Nanotech swarms. According to my knowledge, fighter craft and mecha should fall short against a force of nanoswarms considering their nature, unless there exists a conventional method in which to incapacitate nanotech swarms which I'm not aware of.

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Vampires in Bloodshade can be conceived through natural or magical means. You can either simply have two vampires procreate and produce a vampire that's significantly more powerful than both of them, considering the amount of magical potential sacrificed in such a process. The magical method is one known as the 'Blood Kiss' which simply involves the exchange of blood in whatever manner and resulting in their own 'mortal' blood being replaced by the superior vampire blood in their system and as a result, the mortal being ends up becoming reborn somehow.

[Chiawica]

Isis is a very interesting goddess, She loves peace and prosperity, however she is willing to grant wishes to only her followers, and in the end, it will benefit her in the long run. the goddess seems like a blessing to most, but to some, she isn't considered good.

Furthering that your school system is very nicely polished (i wish that school existed, but atlas it doesn't)

[Bloodshade]

Isis is a very interesting goddess, She loves peace and prosperity, however she is willing to grant wishes to only her followers, and in the end, it will benefit her in the long run. the goddess seems like a blessing to most, but to some, she isn't considered good.

Furthering that your school system is very nicely polished (i wish that school existed, but atlas it doesn't)

Hello! I'm sorry but you're supposed to post an opinion about the fact that I wrote which is the last paragraph of my post, rather than post an opinion about one of my factbooks and then you need to post your own opinion so the nation that replies after you will be able to write an opinion. Would you mind editing?

I guess if the person that's replying isn't giving a fact to reply too.

/stillme

[North German Realm]

At first, I was a bit confused given the technological level of the NGR, but you cleared up that confusion after saying that it's pretty much a bunch of space stations rather than permanent settlements. I'm surprised the NGR/UK managed to get there before the Russians, Japanese, and even Chinese though. I'm blaming Kaiserbooism

There's a perfectly good explanation for this. I am a Kaiserboo that is to say, Russia is literally the poorest "powerful" country in the globe (because half of Europe pretty much attacked them to take 100% of the industry in their European regions in reparation for WW1 once every 5 years between 1915 and 1960) so it lacks the funds for that, China was not even whole until early 1970s and doesn't have the funds for that, and Japan -which is in fact very wealthy and has the funds for it- doesn't have a permanent station, instead squatting on the British one by the virtue of their alliance.

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Vampires in Bloodshade can be conceived through natural or magical means. You can either simply have two vampires procreate and produce a vampire that's significantly more powerful than both of them, considering the amount of magical potential sacrificed in such a process. The magical method is one known as the 'Blood Kiss' which simply involves the exchange of blood in whatever manner and resulting in their own 'mortal' blood being replaced by the superior vampire blood in their system and as a result, the mortal being ends up becoming reborn somehow.

Honestly I'm just shuddering at the thought that the Vampires can actually physically procreate. I mean, they're probably not the same as what we generally see in literary culture, but they're generally considered to be infertile. So Vampires can't "infect" people via bites and all?

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(Posting this once again, hopefully I'll work on a new fact next time)

There are three permanent stations on the Moon. They were -in part- a result of the so-called Space Race between the multiple poles of the world that started in the 1960s and has been ongoing ever since. Each of these was named after a major astronaut in the station's nation's history in space, and the five stations typically have a better relationship with each other than their mother countries do on earth. The first is New Armstrong, built by the United States of America. The second is Mondhaven Merbold, build by North Germany. Helenia was the last -and the most recent- and it was built by the British Empire. North Germany in particular has expanded its station three times, and hopes to expanding the station into a permanent settlement, but we realize that it's not going to happen anytime soon. The US is... less worried about how soon it's going to be and more about how fast it can get there. The British station (Helenia) is -at this point- purely for Research and Development.

[Varnigodsk]

Permanent moon stations? I don't know what year this universe takes place in, but it's impressive that three countries were able to build those on their own and maintain them (e.g. supplies), considering all things ISS in OTL.

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The democratic process within Varnigodsk is often described by western onlookers as being just for show. One of the main points of critique is the whole being of the so-called Trita Office, a de-jure semi-independent Varnigodskian agency tasked with counting votes. Members are put up by both governing and opposition parties, with the chairman being elected within the Trita by said members. Ironically, the Trita is frequently regarded as a milestone within Varnigodskian anti-corruption policy by the people, despite the fact that the current president of Varnigodsk, Vladimir Vladislavovych Grodsky, has been the chairman of the Trita for the last three terms. After being elected as the chairman, Grodsky's National-Unitary Varnigodskian Party (NUVP) went on to become the sole governing party with an absolute majority. As the president cannot be the chairman of the Trita at the same time, Kyril Arel was elected, coincidentally both the Prime Minister and a close acquaintance of Grodsky.

[The Empire of Occitania]

Having read that, I'm going to have to agree with the western onlookers of your world and conclude that the democratic process within Varnigodsk is just for show. Although, given that Varnigodsk is a dominant-party state, I suppose such corruption shouldn't be surprising.

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Within the city with the world's best quality of life, the University of Narbona (Occitan: Universitat de Narbona) is considered to be the best and most prestigious university both within Occitania, and indeed the world. Its teaching facilities, staff, and resources are second to none, although the application process for prospective students is incredibly competitive, and only around 15% of applicants receive even an interview. Those who graduate from the University of Narbona tend to go on to earn significantly more than graduates from other universities, and the University of Narbona counts more Olympic medallists, Nobel Prize winners, and world leaders amongst its alumni than any other university. Azalaïs Cazenave-Maysonet, Narbona native and the current Prime Minister of Occitania, graduated from the University with a masters degree with distinction in Economics and Development. During her time at university, Cazenave-Maysonet joined the somewhat controversial Society of Venus Gynaecerastria (Occitan: Societat de Vènus Gynaecerastria), a private dining society exclusively for lesbian women that is also associated with the fine arts and equestrianism. The Society has developed a famously paradoxical reputation for being simultaneously high-class, polite, and civilised, but also rather hedonistic and thrill-seeking. With membership of the Society of Venus being exclusive and expensive, Cazenave-Maysonet's political opponents have often been very quick to use her being a member of the Society as proof that she is an elitist born with a silver spoon in her mouth, as well occasionally using it to accuse her of being a misandrist.

[Britannia Maior]

It is unfortunate that associating with such a society has led to these accusations and misconceptions that now surround the Prime Minister. I personally would be against or untrusting of the society, given its hedonistic tendencies and appropriation of Ancient Roman religion by (what I assume) Christians and other traitors to great Rōma.

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The Department for Air, Country and Landscape Restoration is a Britannian government department responsible for the de-polluting of Britannia Maior’s urban and suburban areas, publicly accessible routes, countryside and air quality. In addition to its assigned governmental tasks, the DfACL organises massive litter picking and cleaning up countrywide with the intent of tidying up public areas and beautifying all areas accessible to the public. It also pays people sensible amounts of money for doing their part to recycle, litter pick, identify fly tippers to the proper authorities, amongst other voluntary work. First time criminal offenders, particularly youths, sometimes do the above listed work for the department as part of their rehabilitation process. The Department also distributes posters, videos and photos of its work in order to encourage youths to be more environmentally conscious and active. All state schools are required to be "in on" the department’s initiatives.

A factor that contributed to its creation is the prime minister’s personal disgust by the state of the country’s publicly-accessible areas, particularly how polluted it is by common people and the lack of respect for nature she perceives amongst the majority of citizens.

[Borgevia]

This is the mark of a good leader. Sanitation and organisation are two things necessary to keep a society productive and efficient. It also boosts civic duties as a community that cares for one another is a strong one. Kudos to your government for having the wisdom that apparently isn't very appreciated.

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The Coat of Arms of Borgovia is not the emblem on the flag. The emblem was the new symbol of the House of Borgia, the families related to Rodrigo Borgia who was known as Pope Alexander, father of Cesare Borgia who's the modern depiction of Western Jesus. The Coat of Arms is actually laurel wreaths with a Lotus flower inside it. The Lotus became an obsession with Juan Borgia who founded the country thanks to Chinese and Indochinese merchants bringing along its seeds for germination. The Laurel Wreath represents the Roman days which Borgovia as a country is obsessed with reviving under its banner, and the Lotus flower, in Eastern culture, represents enlightenment, self-regeneration, and rebirth. The Lotus is also a beautiful flower that can grow in the muddiest of waters.

The Coat of Arms, then, means this: The glory of Rome (Laurel Wreath) has been reborn through enlightened founders (Lotus). It's also an analogy that no matter how dark or trying the times are, Borgovia's glory as the revived Rome blossoms like a lotus flower blooming in muddiest of waters: beautiful and resilient. Industrialising the entire South American continent, speeding up Japanese industrialisation (thus making them a global power more powerful than Borgovia), and transforming Thailand & Vietnam into industrial Empires to 'contain' the British Empire with a semi-developed China (still anti-industry like OTL) protected by a Pacific alliance, Borgovians became very (civic) nationalistic as their CoA's symbolism came true. The Kings/Presidents of France, the superpower Borgovia favours to win the Cold War with Britain in the Victorian Era, were showered in gifts of ruby, citrine, and lotus products like Lotus teas or Lotus cakes to symbolise Borgovia's colours (red & gold) and praying for France's glory and resilience (lotus flower).

[Diarcesia]

It's unusual that the dynastic coat of arms is in the flag instead of the national one. Anyways, I love that you decided to blend Eastern and Western elements in your heraldry. If the Indo-Greek kingdom survived to modern times it would have done the same.

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Update on this fact: Some of the government buildings in Diarcesia have its coat of arms carved in their walls or perimeters. In a few of the more touristy spots, the graffiti problem is proving to be a nuisance as some of the younger visitors from Gaea may airbrush several instances of the character "ゴ" near these CoA.

Some background as to why 'go' is being airbrushed would be nice. I cannot say that having carved coats of arms strikes me as being a target.

To give a background as to why 'go' is being airbrushed, here is an example:

[Palmyrion]

It's unusual that the dynastic coat of arms is in the flag instead of the national one. Anyways, I love that you decided to blend Eastern and Western elements in your heraldry. If the Indo-Greek kingdom survived to modern times it would have done the same.

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Update on this fact: Some of the government buildings in Diarcesia have its coat of arms carved in their walls or perimeters. In a few of the more touristy spots, the graffiti problem is proving to be a nuisance as some of the younger visitors from Gaea may airbrush several instances of the character "ゴ" near these CoA.

Some background as to why 'go' is being airbrushed would be nice. I cannot say that having carved coats of arms strikes me as being a target.

To give a background as to why 'go' is being airbrushed, here is an example:

LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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While the Palmyrian Science High School system dates back to 1910, alongside the Palmyrian High School of the Arts just a few weeks earlier, its modern form only dates back to 1990 after its reconstruction as a result of disrepair during the Years of Strife (1935-1985), and devastation during the Contra-Socialist War (1976-1984).

It has also raised some of Palmyrion's most time honoured guerrillas - a piece of history that is ironic given its explicit purpose as a science high school - in the sense that its students rose in arms against various domestic threats that dotted the 20th Century of Palmyrion: from Lardites in the 1910 Intercessor Crusade, all through to the Palmyrian Contra-Socialist War of 1976, Palmyrian Science High School students conducted guerrilla operations against them, despite being mostly at 16 years of age. Students' Army Training units in its modern day campuses are named after several notable personnel and units of these guerrilla formations.

[Alfbading Levant]

Update on this fact: Some of the government buildings in Diarcesia have its coat of arms carved in their walls or perimeters. In a few of the more touristy spots, the graffiti problem is proving to be a nuisance as some of the younger visitors from Gaea may airbrush several instances of the character "ゴ" near these CoA.

Some background as to why 'go' is being airbrushed would be nice. I cannot say that having carved coats of arms strikes me as being a target.

To give a background as to why 'go' is being airbrushed, here is an example:

I feel like you guys should take the sanctity of your coats of arms more seriously. Like, sure it might all be in good fun but apart from a small number of exceptions, they're less artistic and more vandalism and destruction of public property.

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The concept of public decision-making is -at least for the time-period we're in- generally well accepted as a principle in politics in all of Germanic Europe. Things (as they are known in most of continent) or Moots are the primary mechanism for decision-making among equals. This can mean denizens in a settlement, nobles in the realm, or even realms in a joint venture. This tradition -like most of the Levantine political tradition- was brought by the Crusading nobles, but given the realm is less decentralized than most non-Roman Realms in Europe, it is generally only applicable for decision making (and lawmaking) in Free Cities by the Freemen of that city (that is to say, not thralls). Depending on the city in question, this can mean "only property owning men who pay tax", "only property owning men and women who pay tax", "all men in the city" or "everyone in the city who's not a thrall"

[A m e n r i a]

Understandable, though one would think input in decision making there should be more open considering its history

Porters no longer exist. In their place, smartboards carry bags in airports and hotels. All one has to do is put their bag on a smartboard, have ot connect to their phone, and walk to their destination as the board will follow the phone's signal. These things were invented in late 2017, but didn't become commonplace until around 2024.