[WITHDRAWN] Commend Valentine Z

[Yohannes]

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I strongly agree with Kuriko, Candensia, Fauxia and Numero Capitan's posts. That being said, just like Kuriko and Candensia, would I support a Commend Valentine Z if it came to a vote? Yes. Yes, I would support Commend Valentine Z. I have voted accordingly the regional offsite forum

Edit: Valfor told me about the off-site forum abuse of moderation position in detail (telegram). I did not know about this. With a heavy heart I rescind my support, and will abstain from voting.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

It's a shame how a post about commending someone with a kind heart, good intentions and so much positivity has turned into a CCD thing...

This proposal was never about any of those things, it's a CCD thing and has always been a CCD thing.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Valentine Z is wholesome, should be commended. 'Nuff said

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Valentine Z is wholesome, should be commended. 'Nuff said

I don't agree, but regardless that's not what the debate is about.

Is this the proposal that should commend Valentine Z? Does the SC want a proposal to pass that will forever be tainted by the author and co-author's obvious motive to spite their former region?

[Valentine Z]

Shrew:

Is this the proposal that should commend Valentine Z? Does the SC want a proposal to pass that will forever be tainted by the author and co-author's obvious motive to spite their former region?

Also Shrew:

I'm just gonna go ahead and state my opposition to this proposal on general principle. Any proposal any member of CCD puts forward shouldn't pass.

Plus TBH has earned their condemnations. Something CCD isn't use to doing; earning things.

Ah, there it is, the classic "against due to author".

Duly noted.

As for what you said, I don't particularly care about what you think about me. It's not right for me to defend my attitude (it will sound very boastful, even after admitting that I do have my flaws, as I did say on the second page; I am not immune to lashing out.), when I could (and did) show the world what kind of a person I am.

Say whatever you want about me, but don't you go and mock / berate my friends for who they are.

Regardless, I will gladly wait for the rest of SC, and NS a whole, to vote on this once this gets onto the floor.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

Valentine Z is wholesome, should be commended. 'Nuff said

I don't agree, but regardless that's not what the debate is about.

Is this the proposal that should commend Valentine Z? Does the SC want a proposal to pass that will forever be tainted by the author and co-author's obvious motive to spite their former region?

Bold of you to assume people in the future would read this thread to learn about under what circumstances this proposal was voted under

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Shrew:

Is this the proposal that should commend Valentine Z? Does the SC want a proposal to pass that will forever be tainted by the author and co-author's obvious motive to spite their former region?

Also Shrew:

Ah, there it is, the classic "against due to author".

Duly noted.

As for what you said, I don't particularly care about what you think about me. It's not right for me to defend my attitude (it will sound very boastful, even after admitting that I do have my flaws, as I did say on the second page; I am not immune to lashing out.), when I could (and did) show the world what kind of a person I am.

Say whatever you want about me, but don't you go and mock / berate my friends for who they are.

That's not "against due to author", it's "against due to circumstances and the obvious ulterior motive regarding this proposal".

Oh and also: ah, there it is, the classic "don't lash out at my friends" regarding people you've never met from an online game.

What a kind person you are coming to gloat after the election was rigged in your favour. How utterly deserving of commendation.

I don't agree, but regardless that's not what the debate is about.

Is this the proposal that should commend Valentine Z? Does the SC want a proposal to pass that will forever be tainted by the author and co-author's obvious motive to spite their former region?

Bold of you to assume people in the future would read this thread to learn about under what circumstances this proposal was voted under

Are you implying that the author and/or circumstances regarding WA proposals doesn't matter?

[Valentine Z]

That's not "against due to author", it's "against due to circumstances and the obvious ulterior motive regarding this proposal".

Oh and also: ah, there it is, the classic "don't lash out at my friends" regarding people you've never met from an online game.

What a kind person you are coming to gloat after the election was rigged in your favour. How utterly deserving of commendation.

Just confess your love and feelings for me and be done with it.

Also, nope. I never gloated about that; just my sincere thanks to those that supported. EDIT: I never vetted or watched this proposal vehemently when it was being drafted. Rein and Chuck asked for what I have contributed, and I said it plainly without any sugarcoating; not once I said that I deserve to get commended, just a feeling of gratefulness that I was reached out. Never was this suggested "You know... I should be commended!"

Can't be asked to make another reply, so... EDIT: You got me there...... except for the fact that you and your cult is the one that attacked me in the first place. Is it really gloating if I am responding to your meaningless dispatches?

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Just confess your love and feelings for me and be done with it.

Typing out that garbage from Anime UwU was painful enough. Believe me, there's no love here.

Also, nope. I never gloated about that; just my sincere thanks to those that supported.

Ah. So now we're not just commending someone utterly unworthy, we're commending some who is an outright liar.

[The New California Republic]

Just confess your love and feelings for me and be done with it.

Typing out that garbage from Anime UwU was painful enough. Believe me, there's no love here.

Which you initially denied.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Support support support!

[ShrewLlamaLand]

EDIT: I never vetted or watched this proposal vehemently when it was being drafted. Rein and Chuck asked for what I have contributed, and I said it plainly without any sugarcoating; not once I said that I deserve to get commended, just a feeling of gratefulness that I was reached out. Never was this suggested "You know... I should be commended!"

Have you considered why perhaps Reinkalistan and Chuck decided to reach out to you? Your own story makes their motive blatantly obvious.

EDIT: You got me there...... except for the fact that you and your cult is the one that attacked me in the first place. Is it really gloating if I am responding to your meaningless dispatches?

You lied and don't even have the decency to make a proper post and own up to it. Nice.

Even when my shit is called out I have the honour to come back here and admit to it.

[The New California Republic]

You lied and don't even have the decency to make a proper post and own up to it. Nice.

Ironic considering that you pathetically split hairs about your denial of Anime Uwu being your puppet, so you have absolutely no moral high ground to stand on.

[North Reinkalistan]

Have you considered why perhaps Reinkalistan and Chuck decided to reach out to you? Your own story makes their motive blatantly obvious.

For the record, I first asked in the WA discord whether Val was commendable. A few people seemed to think so.

I then asked Val himself over discord whether he'd be okay with a commendation. He was fine with it.

I drafted this, though I knew tempers would still be running high after the Secretary-General election, which is why I intended to keep the discussion away from the Secretary-General election. Honestly, I believe that Val's effort in his wonderful campaign could actually warrant another point in the proposal, but I decided against it; I didn't want you turning up and stirring shit.

After all, if I'm going to go by your own logic; you have absolutely no evidence to suggest I wrote this to spite the CCD.

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

After all, if I'm going to go by your own logic; you have absolutely no evidence to suggest I wrote this to spite the CCD.

Oh no. He has the Razor out. EVERYONE RUN!

Are you implying that the author and/or circumstances regarding WA proposals doesn't matter?

Of course, they matter, Shrew, the only problem is who in the future would ever want to read this thread?

"Does the SC want a proposal to pass that will forever be tainted by the author and co-author's obvious motive to spite their former region?"

When people read over this commendation in the future, they would not think 'Oh hey it's written by a guy who left a region he didn't like recently so he's written this commendation to commend someone his former region hates,'. They would think 'Oh hey this Val lad sounds quite nice!' Unless they specifically wished to read this thread, and use up the efforts to find it, they will never know of the circumstances under which this commendation is written under. Like everything, unless we record it, it will eventually be confined to the dustbin of history.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

When people read over this commendation in the future, they would not think 'Oh hey it's written by a guy who left a region he didn't like recently so he's written this commendation to commend someone his former region hates,'. They would think 'Oh hey this Val lad sounds quite nice!' Unless they specifically wished to read this thread, and use up the efforts to find it, they will never know of the circumstances under which this commendation is written under. Like everything, unless we record it, it will eventually be confined to the dustbin of history.

No one will read over this in the future because it won't pass.

After all, if I'm going to go by your own logic; you have absolutely no evidence to suggest I wrote this to spite the CCD.

You mean evidence like this?




What motive could you possibly have for submitting this?

[MineLegotia and Equestria]

When people read over this commendation in the future, they would not think 'Oh hey it's written by a guy who left a region he didn't like recently so he's written this commendation to commend someone his former region hates,'. They would think 'Oh hey this Val lad sounds quite nice!' Unless they specifically wished to read this thread, and use up the efforts to find it, they will never know of the circumstances under which this commendation is written under. Like everything, unless we record it, it will eventually be confined to the dustbin of history.

No one will read over this in the future because it won't pass.

After all, if I'm going to go by your own logic; you have absolutely no evidence to suggest I wrote this to spite the CCD.

You mean evidence like this?

What motive could you possibly have for submitting this?

Isn't Val part of the WA Elite? And yourself have said that the WA Elite holds immense power, and seeing how Rein is now pushing to commend Val, a member of the WA Elite, wouldn't it make sense for the Elite to commend one of themselves? Additionally, thanks to the immense power wielded by them, they could easily pass this, additionally, countless people have run into Val Z throughout the lad/lass (Sorry, i can't confirm if you're a lad or a lass) history on the forums, and would most likely vote for the proposal.

The deck is stacked against you, Shrew.

Also, on Rein's reasoning to writing this commendation... Dunno, Rein's motivations are like a fucking roulette wheel to me.

[Honeydewistania]

The proposal contents are very underwhelming. ‘Invaluable contributions’. Like what?

[Nakena]

I didn't want you turning up and stirring shit.

That worked out splendidly.

[Valfor]

The LKE wishes to place on record that we strongly oppose this resolution due to the author's leading role in maliciously destroying content on our forums less than a year ago. Specifically, South Reinkalistan accessed the account of a friend (who knowingly supplied the password to South Reinkalistan) and then used the moderator powers (held on the friend's account as a junior minister) to delete (by editing out) a significant amount of content across many threads and posts, in some cases replacing the previous content with highly inappropriate as well as offensive content. This incident followed earlier occasions when South Reinkalistan and his associates were warned on the LKE Discord server for offensive, prejudiced and discourteous comments. The subsequent deletion of content seemed to reflect frustration within that group about the enforcement of our Discord rules. The previous statement by LKE administration on this matter can be found at: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1248488.

It would send an appalling message if individuals involved in maliciously destroying a significant amount of off-site content are awarded the accomplishment of authoring a successfully enacted SC resolution, and the associated badge, within less than a year after their actions. The LKE supports life-time banishment for such actions. Others might reasonably accept that rehabilitation may be appropriate after a long period, but a year or two years later is clearly too short and makes a mockery out of any collective community punishment for such actions to the point where there is no deterrence and all our forums are accordingly put at greater risk. The LKE accordingly urges all parties not to support this resolution.

Thank you,
Valfor Talleyrand
Secretary of State for the Exterior
The Land of Kings and Emperors

[Castelia]

Pretty sure the only reason people would actually vote AGAINST this is because it seems premature, and not because of this whole "vote rigging" bullshit being espoused by CCD and Friends, nor because of the "this was written as a proposal against the CCD" narrative being espoused by Shrew.

Also, Anime UwU. Did I unwittingly serve as Shrew's role-model for this new puppet? Hmmm....

EDIT: I wish to ask LKE whether or not they would be willing to support a Commend Valentine Z proposal were it to be written by a different author, since it seems they're opposed to this resolution proposal due to the authorship of South Reinkalistan.

[Honeydewistania]

Pretty sure the only reason people would actually vote AGAINST this is because it seems premature, and not because of this whole "vote rigging" bullshit being espoused by CCD and Friends, nor because of the "this was written as a proposal against the CCD" narrative being espoused by Shrew.

Also, Anime UwU. Did I unwittingly serve as Shrew's role-model for this new puppet? Hmmm....

EDIT: I wish to ask LKE whether or not they would be willing to support a Commend Valentine Z proposal were it to be written by a different author, since it seems they're opposed to this resolution due to the authorship of South Reinkalistan.

Agreed. The proposal is better off at a later date when the subject of the proposal has done more commendation worthy acts to be recognised for.

[Valfor]

EDIT: I wish to ask LKE whether or not they would be willing to support a Commend Valentine Z proposal were it to be written by a different author, since it seems they're opposed to this resolution due to the authorship of South Reinkalistan.

Our concerns are solely about the author and not the nominee. We would not oppose (and indeed would likely support) a similar proposal from a different author and we do not have any particular problems with this text. However, the identity of the present author is an insurmountable obstacle and cannot be ignored for the reasons we have outlined. In our judgement, very significant concerns about (the recent past actions of) an author can be good grounds to oppose a resolution and this is such a case.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

Isn't Val part of the WA Elite? And yourself have said that the WA Elite holds immense power, and seeing how Rein is now pushing to commend Val, a member of the WA Elite, wouldn't it make sense for the Elite to commend one of themselves? Additionally, thanks to the immense power wielded by them, they could easily pass this, additionally, countless people have run into Val Z throughout the lad/lass (Sorry, i can't confirm if you're a lad or a lass) history on the forums, and would most likely vote for the proposal.

The deck is stacked against you, Shrew.

Also, on Rein's reasoning to writing this commendation... Dunno, Rein's motivations are like a fucking roulette wheel to me.

I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but from what I can personally tell, Valentine Z isn't directly a part of the WA Elite. They they've been supported by the WA Elite in the past, but this was mostly to spite Jocospor and myself. Coinflip if it passes assuming it makes quorum.

Given Reinkalistan's motives: take a step back, look at it in parts. The target of this proposal, the timing of its submission, the co-author. Connect the dots - it's pretty obvious when you take a step back and look at the whole picture.

Pretty sure the only reason people would actually vote AGAINST this is because it seems premature, and not because of this whole "vote rigging" bullshit being espoused by CCD and Friends, nor because of the "this was written as a proposal against the CCD" narrative being espoused by Shrew.

Also, Anime UwU. Did I unwittingly serve as Shrew's role-model for this new puppet? Hmmm....

EDIT: I wish to ask LKE whether or not they would be willing to support a Commend Valentine Z proposal were it to be written by a different author, since it seems they're opposed to this resolution due to the authorship of South Reinkalistan.

For the record, the CCD nor myself would not personally support such a proposal, but at the same time I would not strongly oppose one if it came to vote.

[North Reinkalistan]

-snip-

I'm glad this turned up.

As I've outlined elsewhere, I recognise that what I did during this time was awful. Presently, I have nothing against the Land of Kings and Emperors. I did a stupid, awful thing, and I've tried to make amends with members of the LKE through apology where I can, such as J.S Talleyrand and Onderkelkia. I find that supporting life-time banishment for such actions, however justified it may seem, is a stretch. The very notion that people cannot change and should be eternally excluded from a community for such mistakes, though, does not perpetuate a good reflection of this community.

I was an idiot. I did stupid things. I wasn't a very nice person. Again, and again, and again, have I apologised as such to the communities I have wronged. And I'll continue to apologise again, and again, and again. It may seem like I'm saying such out of frustration, but such could not be further from the truth. I apologise knowing that this is me trying to better myself through acknowledging my past wrongs and using it to make sure I don't needlessly add toxicity to another community.

I cannot offer anything to the LKE but words, where I've taken much from the LKE I cannot give back. This is an injustice that it is within nobody's power to fix, and I'll bear it with me for as long as I play this game. Of that, I have no doubt. Yet I would like to make it clear that those actions do not in their entirety reflect my opinions and who I am now. It is well within the LKE's right to oppose this resolution based off of the past, but I would definitely make the assertion that I've changed at least in part.

I don't want my past to drag other people down. I just want to play the game. I recognise that this cannot be achieved without me making up for what I've done, which is why I've done my best to help contribute to communities where I can, and (hopefully) positively contribute towards the game's atmosphere on the whole.