[PASSED] Commend Kindjal

[Bormiar]

Well results of issues are in character. In character, they have x number of citizens; they spend x amount on y; etc.

So, what now?

Their national statistics in any RP are in constant flux, which makes them an extremely unreliable RP partner for themselves (because they have no verifiable presence in any RP)?

I'm no suggesting they be commended for RP.

If their only contributions to the NationStates world are via the collection of several shiny badges on their nation page, that makes a rather uninspiring candidate.

You should expect and are entitled to your own opinion on what inspires you. What you shouldn't expect is that anyone's going to listen to you without any justification for your reasoning.

I (as well as several other people in this thread) can, and have, provided ample evidence to support this commendation.

[Makdon]

Seeing as there is no IC material on Kindjal, I would disagree that they have an excellent IC character, or really any IC character at all. If you consider the curation of lots of yellow badges commendation-worthy, though, that's entirely your prerogative.

IC material doesn't have to be from rp, imo. There stats are all "IC" good stats- like environmental beauty, compassion, niceness, and safety- all of which Kindjal's 1st in the world for. You wouldn't give out a stats based c/c for someone with morally ambiguous high stats, because that isn't IC good or bad. Kindjal's stats, however, are good, and that's one of the justifications for this proposal. That being said, this commendation need not be solely based on that IC argument. It should also be pointed out that commendations can be used to recognize a nation for excellence, and to set an example for future nations. Kindjal fits that description, as it has done what it does incredibly well, and can certainly motivate players to work towards higher stats.

[Kuriko]

So, what now?

Their national statistics in any RP are in constant flux, which makes them an extremely unreliable RP partner for themselves (because they have no verifiable presence in any RP)?

I'm no suggesting they be commended for RP.

If their only contributions to the NationStates world are via the collection of several shiny badges on their nation page, that makes a rather uninspiring candidate.

You should expect and are entitled to your own opinion on what inspires you. What you shouldn't expect is that anyone's going to listen to you without any justification for your reasoning.

I (as well as several other people in this thread) can, and have, provided ample evidence to support this commendation.

You haven't really provided ample evidence at all, what you've done is post that they deserve to have the highest honor bestowed upon them because they've answered issues for 15-17 years. You've also argued that what they've done by answering issues is equatable to what many others do in regional governance, regional building, role playing, and R/D. Which quite frankly some find offensive, because answering issues is nowhere near equatable to those other things.

What has this player done to help others answer issues correctly? What has this player done in creating guides, or building their region, or on an international scale? Besides having high stats and making people want to be like them? Nothing, that's the answer to each of those questions.

Let's do some math, shall we?

An issues answerer probably spends 15 to 20 minutes per day answering issues, which adds up to 121.6 hours a year if they spend 20 minutes maximum.

An RP player probably spends anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes a day writing an RP post, which adds up to 273.75 hours a year if they spend 45 minutes doing a post every day.

A regional government member probably spends somewhere between 60 and 120 minutes a day working on government matters, which adds up to 273 hours in a 6 month period if they spend 90 minutes a day on it. I use a 6 month period because most government positions have terms that long. In a 4 month period it would be roughly 136.5 hours.

You say that answering issues for 15-17 years consistently is hard, and somebody should be commended for it. You also say that somebody who RPs that can keep up the same should be commended, but arguably they spend far more time if they consistently RP for just 1 year. They do over 2 years worth of issue answering in one year if they spend at minimum 45 minutes on a post per day. I'll let the rest of the numbers speak for themselves, provided my math was right, but I'm not seeing how someone sitting there answering issues is worthy of the highest honor the WA van bestow upon them when they've done nothing else. Even if it's been a whopping 15-17 years.

[Makdon]

You haven't really provided ample evidence at all, what you've done is post that they deserve to have the highest honor bestowed upon them because they've answered issues for 15-17 years. You've also argued that what they've done by answering issues is equatable to what many others do in regional governance, regional building, role playing, and R/D. Which quite frankly some find offensive, because answering issues is nowhere near equatable to those other things.

What has this player done to help others answer issues correctly? What has this player done in creating guides, or building their region, or on an international scale? Besides having high stats and making people want to be like them? Nothing, that's the answer to each of those questions.

Let's do some math, shall we?

An issues answerer probably spends 15 to 20 minutes per day answering issues, which adds up to 121.6 hours a year if they spend 20 minutes maximum.

An RP player probably spends anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes a day writing an RP post, which adds up to 273.75 hours a year if they spend 45 minutes doing a post every day.

A regional government member probably spends somewhere between 60 and 120 minutes a day working on government matters, which adds up to 273 hours in a 6 month period if they spend 90 minutes a day on it. I use a 6 month period because most government positions have terms that long. In a 4 month period it would be roughly 136.5 hours.

You say that answering issues for 15-17 years consistently is hard, and somebody should be commended for it. You also say that somebody who RPs that can keep up the same should be commended, but arguably they spend far more time if they consistently RP for just 1 year. They do over 2 years worth of issue answering in one year if they spend at minimum 45 minutes on a post per day. I'll let the rest of the numbers speak for themselves, provided my math was right, but I'm not seeing how someone sitting there answering issues is worthy of the highest honor the WA van bestow upon them when they've done nothing else. Even if it's been a whopping 15-17 years.

I wasn't aware commendations were given out solely based on effort. In fact, I was under the impression that was somewhat frowned upon. Odd.

To quote Ransium, "The Security Council is allowed to take a moral stance within proposals - in fact it is one of the primary functions of the body". That's, in the end, the biggest reason for this proposal. Kindjal is being commended for being IC very, very good. Additionally, it could be considered IC good that Kindjal acts as an inspiration and example for other nations. Your lack of respect for the time put into Kindjal's achievements hardly invalidates their reasons for commendation.

But to that point, your math roughly seems to boil down to issues being half as hard as rp. If thats the case then Kindjal's been answering them for roughly 7.5-8.5 years of rp. I'm sure nations have received c/cs for consistently rping for that long, which sort of makes the whole point moot.

[Makdon]

Additionally, even if the quite janky and approximated math is even vaguely correct, it relies on the fact that the rper or government official does it for 17 years straight, which is unlikely for even the most committed player. Anyways, a proposal hardly needs to live by the standard "since nation x isn't commended for it, nation y can't be either". I think it's safe to say that logic is a bit absurd

[Kuriko]

Additionally, even if the quite janky and approximated math is even vaguely correct, it relies on the fact that the rper or government official does it for 17 years straight, which is unlikely for even the most committed player. Anyways, a proposal hardly needs to live by the standard "since nation x isn't commended for it, nation y can't be either". I think it's safe to say that logic is a bit absurd

Uh, no it doesn't. Did you even look at the math?? If done for 17 years an issue answerer will do 2,067 hours worth of answering issues. Likewise, it would take a dedicated RPer 7 and a half years to do 2,053 hours worth of role playing. It would take a dedicated government member 3.76 years of consecutive service to do 2,052 hours worth of work.

The point I'm trying to make is that the average RPer, and average government member, goes unnoticed doing roughly the same amount of work your nominee has done in less time. They cant sustain years and years of doing what they do like issues answerers can because they'll burn out from the work load. Your nominee has gotten #1 and 1% badges for their work to show their dedication, while the average RPer and government member goes unnoticed and uncommended. Sorry that I hold the average RPer and government member in higher regard for the work they've done to better the community, rather than holding an issues answerer who's done nothing but solve issues to the same regard.

Edit: And I'll point out, again, that your nominee has received #1 and 1% badges to show off their work, while the average RPer and government member never receives such things.

[Makdon]

Uh, no it doesn't. Did you even look at the math?? If done for 17 years an issue answerer will do 2,067 hours worth of answering issues. Likewise, it would take a dedicated RPer 7 and a half years to do 2,053 hours worth of role playing. It would take a dedicated government member 3.76 years of consecutive service to do 2,052 hours worth of work.

The point I'm trying to make is that the average RPer, and average government member, goes unnoticed doing roughly the same amount of work your nominee has done in less time. They cant sustain years and years of doing what they do like issues answerers can because they'll burn out from the work load. Your nominee has gotten #1 and 1% badges for their work to show their dedication, while the average RPer and government member goes unnoticed and uncommended. Sorry that I hold the average RPer and government member in higher regard for the work they've done to better the community, rather than holding an issues answerer who's done nothing but solve issues to the same regard.

Edit: And I'll point out, again, that your nominee has received #1 and 1% badges to show off their work, while the average RPer and government member never receives such things.

In the end, I don't think that the only reasons commendations should be given out should be contributions to community or effort. Anyways, the fact that some people have done more work will never invalidate a commendation.

Also, the idea that being the best at something should be so devalued by its supposed ease is bullshit. If it were so easy, many more rpers and government officials would have tons of yellow badges. Not that many don't, but few players manage to be near the top on both the issues game and some other aspect of NS.

No matter what, Kindjal is among the best, if not the best, at the issues game, and that in itself deserves recognition. Simply because not many people bobsled, winning gold at the olympics for it isn't intrinsically worth any less than any other gold. All of that to say that Kindjal's achievements need not be compared to rpers or government officials, because, in the end, their accomplishments stand alone.

Edits: as for the math thing, it's not about the overall time, it's about the continuity. The time isn't worth more without a comparable amount of continuity, because they are both remarkable things, and shouldn't be treated as exactly the same. While some rpers and government officials might spend more time, few have as much continuity, which is an important thing in its own right.

Furthermore, the fact that other players work is less recognized is no argument against this proposal

[Bormiar]

Sorry if I don't actually have the time right now to respond to Kuriko with pithy, silly back-and-forths that solve nothing, but what the hell is this conversation? You're making extreme, ridiculous numbers (an hour every single day for 3 years!?). Regardless, never in the history of the Security Council has it been reasonable to bar a commendation because somebody else hasn't been commended- if anyone were to make a list of fallacies in the SC, that would be at the top. What differentiates that from my examples is that I was using precedent. Precedent doesn't work in reverse because lack of legislation or case law is not a real verdict (in this case decision by the SC). You should start commenting on the merits of Kindjal, not on the merits of other irrelevant made-up characters.

Draft 2 should come up this week. Sorry for the delay.

[Kuriko]

Sorry if I don't actually have the time right now to respond to Kuriko with pithy, silly back-and-forths that solve nothing, but what the hell is this conversation? You're making extreme, ridiculous numbers (an hour every single day for 3 years!?). Regardless, never in the history of the Security Council has it been reasonable to bar a commendation because somebody else hasn't been commended- if anyone were to make a list of fallacies in the SC, that would be at the top. What differentiates that from my examples is that I was using precedent. Precedent doesn't work in reverse because lack of legislation or case law is not a real verdict (in this case decision by the SC). You should start commenting on the merits of Kindjal, not on the merits of other irrelevant made-up characters.

Draft 2 should come up this week. Sorry for the delay.

I'm making a well intentioned argument as to the merits of your proposal and nominee, not "silly back-and-forths that solve nothing". There's a distinction there. And extreme, ridiculous numbers? My numbers are neither extreme, nor ridiculous, they are grounded in fact.

I'm not making an argument that your nominee shouldn't be commended because someone else hasn't, I'm making the argument that your nominee puts 121.6 hours maximum a year into solving issues while others put twice as much as that into things like role playing and regional governance in the same time frame. It's nice to see you calling litterally hundreds of players throughout NS history fictional characters. Your nominee has #1 badges and top 1% badges, these are trophies and honors bestowed upon them for solving issues well. Why should we, the Security Council, bestow our highest honors on a nation for something they've already received badges for?

Why should we, the Security Council, bestow our highest honors on a nation that has done nothing to help the international community? That has made no effort, in 17 years, to help others achieve what they've achieved? That has made no guides to answering issues correctly? Why should we, the Security Council, bestow our highest honors on this player for putting the time in to answer issues and not bestow this honor on players who have dedicated more time to RP, regional governance, regional building, or R/D throughout the years NS has been around?

[Bormiar]

Sorry if I don't actually have the time right now to respond to Kuriko with pithy, silly back-and-forths that solve nothing, but what the hell is this conversation? You're making extreme, ridiculous numbers (an hour every single day for 3 years!?). Regardless, never in the history of the Security Council has it been reasonable to bar a commendation because somebody else hasn't been commended- if anyone were to make a list of fallacies in the SC, that would be at the top. What differentiates that from my examples is that I was using precedent. Precedent doesn't work in reverse because lack of legislation or case law is not a real verdict (in this case decision by the SC). You should start commenting on the merits of Kindjal, not on the merits of other irrelevant made-up characters.

Draft 2 should come up this week. Sorry for the delay.

I'm making a well intentioned argument as to the merits of your proposal and nominee, not "silly back-and-forths that solve nothing". There's a distinction there. And extreme, ridiculous numbers? My numbers are neither extreme, nor ridiculous, they are grounded in fact.

You’ve proved nothing about the origin of the numbers. You just made up a semi-random number about working an hour every single day for over 3 years, claimed on no discernible origin that those numbers were common, and postulated that that cumulative wouldn’t create results worthy of commendation.

I'm not making an argument that your nominee shouldn't be commended because someone else hasn't, I'm making the argument that your nominee puts 121.6 hours maximum a year into solving issues while others put twice as much as that into things like role playing and regional governance in the same time frame.

Yes, maybe others have, and they should probably be commended if they did well enough to get great results. Someone should get on that - first you’re going to have to make a list of examples.

Additionally, you pretend that a 3 year time period and a 17 year period are at all analogous. They are not, as a 17 year period takes all dedication, and is not encouraged by enthusiasm.

It's nice to see you calling litterally hundreds of players throughout NS history fictional characters.

You haven’t said a single person. See above about making a list.

Additionally, (bolding this to make it clear) work does not equal adequate results. I only brought up work to disprove the erroneous theory perpetrated by people who have never bothered with issues that issues are easy.

Your nominee has #1 badges and top 1% badges, these are trophies and honors bestowed upon them for solving issues well. Why should we, the Security Council, bestow our highest honors on a nation for something they've already received badges for?

The security council did not hand out those badges. It’s similar to saying that all those defender commendations you’ve supported with citations to awards shouldn’t have been handed out because they’ve already been awarded. As you stated, a commendation is the highest honor.

Why should we, the Security Council, bestow our highest honors on a nation that has done nothing to help the international community? That has made no effort, in 17 years, to help others achieve what they've achieved? That has made no guides to answering issues correctly?

That’s never been a requirement. Tons (probably most) of commendations don’t cite their reasoning as writing guides or whatever. In fact, recent precedent (Koem Kab) show that a nation can be incommunicado and still be awarded the highest honor by the security council.

Here’s a thought experiment to illustrate my point: let’s postulate that commendations and condemnations are both honors, OOC. Well, tons of condemned people have actually hurt NationStates communities, both IC and occasionally OOC. Would this be fine if it a condemnation? If it were an award disguised?

This argument, whether you intended it or not, only prejudices the SC against one of the largest communities in NationStates- one that doesn’t have a strong voice here.

Why should we, the Security Council, bestow our highest honors on this player for putting the time in to answer issues and not bestow this honor on players who have dedicated more time to RP, regional governance, regional building, or R/D throughout the years NS has been around?

This is the most blatant example of “don’t commend this guy cause the SC should spend time commending these guys” I have seen in a while. And yes, we can also do RP, region-building, and R/D, but, in my inclusive eyes:

The Security Council is for everyone. No subculture, no region, no group should ever take priority over another. Issue answering, the introduction, the beginning, the start to NS, has been disavowed, detached, and discriminated by the Security Council for over a decade. No one should abet in that when given a deserving nominee.

[Kuriko]

I guess I need to change tack, since you seem to be finding it hard to grasp my argument. Tell me, what do issues do when you've solved all available issues? They repeat, that's what they do. They come again and again, the same issues over and over and over with the same options.

Solve an issue once, get the stat changes you want, continue to select that option every single time it repeats. There's a reason, I think, as to why issue answering has yet to receive its own niche C&C. The only thing that really separates your nominee from any other is the length of time they've played, so let me ask you how many times do you think your nominee has solved the same issues again and again?

Right now there are 1,318 issues in the game. With 4 issues a day (I think you get 4, 1 every 5 hours?) it would take 330 days to solve every issue once. That's 1,318 issues after 18 years of this game, in times past it would take less time to go through each issue once and answer it to get the stat changes you want.

Years upon years of repeated issues, choosing the same answer every single time to get the changes you want, will add up to huge stat increases. Will add up to #1 and 1% badges. The only thing that separates your nominee from others is the length of time they've played and nothing else, because they've done nothing else. Tell me, how is this nominee deserving of a commendation by repeatedly answering the same issues over and over the exact same way for 17 years? Why are they deserving when they've made no effort to help anyone else?

[Marxist Germany]

I guess I need to change tack, since you seem to be finding it hard to grasp my argument. Tell me, what do issues do when you've solved all available issues? They repeat, that's what they do. They come again and again, the same issues over and over and over with the same options.

Solve an issue once, get the stat changes you want, continue to select that option every single time it repeats. There's a reason, I think, as to why issue answering has yet to receive its own niche C&C. The only thing that really separates your nominee from any other is the length of time they've played, so let me ask you how many times do you think your nominee has solved the same issues again and again?

Right now there are 1,318 issues in the game. With 4 issues a day (I think you get 4, 1 every 5 hours?) it would take 330 days to solve every issue once. That's 1,318 issues after 18 years of this game, in times past it would take less time to go through each issue once and answer it to get the stat changes you want.

Years upon years of repeated issues, choosing the same answer every single time to get the changes you want, will add up to huge stat increases. Will add up to #1 and 1% badges. The only thing that separates your nominee from others is the length of time they've played and nothing else, because they've done nothing else. Tell me, how is this nominee deserving of a commendation by repeatedly answering the same issues over and over the exact same way for 17 years? Why are they deserving when they've made no effort to help anyone else?

OOC: Additionally, a person could answer issues for 15-17 years and not get many 1% badges if their answers are not extreme or are inconsistent.

[Inven]

Full support.
Answering issues is very difficult and while Kindjal doesn't do anything for NS community, but Kindjal deserves it.
If you say they've made no effort to help anyone else, so Koem Kab doesn't harm any region/roleplay as an evil nation so he let's repeal the condemnation?
And if we could condemn/commend nation for evilly collecting cards, why not do the same for answering issues?

Borm you have so many idea for SC proposals

[Makdon]

I guess I need to change tack, since you seem to be finding it hard to grasp my argument. Tell me, what do issues do when you've solved all available issues? They repeat, that's what they do. They come again and again, the same issues over and over and over with the same options.

Solve an issue once, get the stat changes you want, continue to select that option every single time it repeats. There's a reason, I think, as to why issue answering has yet to receive its own niche C&C. The only thing that really separates your nominee from any other is the length of time they've played, so let me ask you how many times do you think your nominee has solved the same issues again and again?

Right now there are 1,318 issues in the game. With 4 issues a day (I think you get 4, 1 every 5 hours?) it would take 330 days to solve every issue once. That's 1,318 issues after 18 years of this game, in times past it would take less time to go through each issue once and answer it to get the stat changes you want.

Years upon years of repeated issues, choosing the same answer every single time to get the changes you want, will add up to huge stat increases. Will add up to #1 and 1% badges. The only thing that separates your nominee from others is the length of time they've played and nothing else, because they've done nothing else. Tell me, how is this nominee deserving of a commendation by repeatedly answering the same issues over and over the exact same way for 17 years? Why are they deserving when they've made no effort to help anyone else?

I've said it once and I'll say it again: c/cs have nothing to do with effort, and never will. Too bad, so sad

[Bormiar]

Kuriko I'm not indulging this discussion any longer if you don't recognize that issues given change based on eligibility, new issues are added all the time, how stats are calculated is changed, nations respond to issues differently over time (e.g. policies, advancement in stats), new rankings are added, and old issues are significantly changed. You simply cannot "just make a list" for the thousands of issues in the game, if you could, because of policy limitations on (likely) nearly every issue, it would take much longer to make, and at that point your nation would've changed so much.

You could ask Pencil Sharpeners or one of the other big issue answerers about that .

OOC: Additionally, a person could answer issues for 15-17 years and not get many 1% badges if their answers are not extreme or are inconsistent.

Well, yes. Kindjal answered them with a good strategy in mind. If you hadn't said "additionally", I would've thought you were supporting my proposal.

Full support.
Answering issues is very difficult and while Kindjal doesn't do anything for NS community, but Kindjal deserves it.
If you say they've made no effort to help anyone else, so Koem Kab doesn't harm any region/roleplay as an evil nation so he let's repeal the condemnation?
And if we could condemn/commend nation for evilly collecting cards, why not do the same for answering issues?

Borm you have so many idea for SC proposals

Thanks!

[Bormiar]

Draft 2 taking in policies, attempting to be more artful, and doing as NuCa asked (focusing more on international involvement).

This was harder to write than I expected >_>.

The Security Council,

Recognizing Kindjal, a definitively utopic nation, to align suitably with the opinions of the World Assembly, which includes laudable international involvement, as well as practically-managed domestic policy,

Flattered by Kindjal’s internationally-beneficial foreign policy, which outlaws weapons of mass destruction, supports research into a space program, and spends the 9th-most in the world on foreign aid,

In agreement with Kindjal’s educated democratic system, which encourages free speech, devolutes management to local authorities in order to target each community specifically, and mandates each citizen’s vote be treated equally, rather than resorting to electoral colleges,

Acclaiming Kindjal’s spectacular services it provides for its billions of citizens, which consists of:

• A public universal healthcare system (ranked 29th in the world), having an adequate ability to prevent treatment, a basic necessity to life, from causing financial ruin; a capacity to mitigate or even eradicate the effects of both common maladies and obscure diseases; and readiness when faced by emergency- this system has allowed Kindjal to have incredible general health among the citizenry (5th in world), and a lifespan of over a century (2nd),
• A vitally-important public education system, which, being the top priority of the government expenditure, invests in Kindjali childrens’ future, teaching them of Kindjali culture, values, and life knowledge such as sex education, and has allowed Kindjal to maintain a highly intelligent population (3rd in world),
• A safe, public transport alternative to dangerous automobiles which nearly eliminates cursing when commuting to work, and makes people happier and safer,

Proud of Kindjal’s rehabilitative law enforcement structure, which, having enforced a widespread demilitarized population, has nearly eradicated murder, and choking toddlers,

Impressed by Kindjal AI-run economy, which has spurred the nation into becoming highly honest and unlikely to foster bribery or corruption,

Pleased by Kindjal inclusiveness (2nd in world), which celebrates freedom to choose to marry those of the same sex as them, and encourages a heterogeneous population,

Documenting its other genial characteristics, such as a compassionate (1st in world), and nice (1st in world) population,

Closely Observing a beautiful environment in Kindjal, first in the world for not only its stunningness but also its satisfyingly sunny weather, cultivated by the governments eco-friendly policies, such as banning animal imprisonment, investing in a detailed climate change prevention program, and spending trillions of kins (currency of Kindjal) on maintaining a stunning ecosystem,

Jealous of the tens of millions of tourists (Kindjal is 1st in the world for tourism) that frequent the culturally significant nation yearly, as Kindjal maintains an educated and refined society,

Aware that achieving these legendary feats is no easy task, as it takes years of carefully refining a nation’s decisions and policies, and mistakes in a radically-utopic nation lead to radically destructive consequences,

Lauding Kindjal as a shining example to the world of being led with tenacity, determination, resolve, intelligence, activity, and persistence, even through the most detrimental of poor choices,

Hereby resolutely commends Kindjal.

[Valentine Z]

In support for this fully, not just because I'm a fan of NS Stats, but also because it's very well-written (at least, I believe in it!).

As a non-issue editor but as someone who has a great interest in NS Stats and their trends, and their complex nature of it, I'm impressed by the sheer unstoppable nature of Kindjal when it comes to these numbers. They have been topping the stats (or at the very least, in Top 10), for so far long, and even the recent Beta changes and dinks in Pacifism is not slowing them down any time soon. Granted, Pacifism generally affects all, but even with that sharp drop, they're still the top.

My rambling aside, it's of note that issue-answering is neither random, nor is it fixed, contrary to what others might believe. To my knowledge and from what I understood so far, there are many, MANY variables to the increases and decreases, and the fact that Kindjal managed to keep it up with little to no dents is impressive. It's furthered when we have a lot of new issues over the years and the situations become much more complex.

So, in short, I'm in full support of this, and I wish Bormiar the best of luck when he decides to submit this. My only feedback and my personal peeve is the inclusion of rankings, but since this is based on NS stats, I suppose that it fits.

Maybe for the compassion and niceness, you can say "on average having the most compassionate and nicest populace", or something to that effect. Just my two cents. ^^

[The World Assembly Elite]

The Security Council is for everyone. No subculture, no region, no group should ever take priority over another. Issue answering, the introduction, the beginning, the start to NS, has been disavowed, detached, and discriminated by the Security Council for over a decade. No one should abet in that when given a deserving nominee.

* world's smallest violin plays *

[The Stalker]

Full Support, answering issues day after day, year after year is no simple task. And getting a #1 spot is hard, let alone 10. I mean damn does anyone else even hold close to that many #1s?? I've play since 2003, with many nations. I only have one #1 badge. 10 just seems like damn insane to accomplish.

[Bormiar]

Full Support, answering issues day after day, year after year is no simple task. And getting a #1 spot is hard, let alone 10. I mean damn does anyone else even hold close to that many #1s?? I've play since 2003, with many nations. I only have one #1 badge. 10 just seems like damn insane to accomplish.

From what I can observe, no. No one comes close.

Some people have more 1% (not #1s), but that's somewhat meaningless and they are mostly industry stats and things that are rather easy.

Thanks for the support!

[Bormiar]

Nothing on the most recent draft?

[Bormiar]

Well, damn. This has fallen pretty far down and I can't keep bumping it, so I guess I'll submit this in a few days, unless the last call changes things.

Last call.

[Praeceps]

Only additional comment would be that issue answering is not commendable.

[Bormiar]

Only additional comment would be that issue answering is not commendable.

Duly noted opinion . You said it before in the thread and we talked about it there.

[Excidium Planetis]

Only additional comment would be that issue answering is not commendable.

...why?

Why is RP and GP commendable but not issues answering?

It's been demonstrated thoroughly in this thread that Kindjal's achievements not only took an insane amount of time, but also are no easy feat, not mere following of a wiki's advice, and aren't something that's been demonstrated to be easily replicable.

So why is it that despite putting in so much effort for years to be the best in this area of NationStates, Kindjal's accomplishments are not commendable?