[DEFEATED] Condemn Antifa

[Ransium]

I've also moved one of Reddington posts to the evidence locker. Quoting or communicating for DOS/banned players is not allowed. Generally, the punishment for that is quite harsh. I'm going to use my moderator discretion (TM) and judge that your intent and go with a relatively light action of *** warning Reddington for posting past a ban (posting for a DOS player ***, but you can easily get deleted for this kind of thing.

[Christian Confederation]

Okay, I just can't anymore.

I said "TCT RP'd as a fascist nation" and added that "TCT supported the closure of fascist embassies" in our own region, and yet Vippertooth responded with, "Haha, TCT is a fascist and you did nothing to right the wrongs of his behavior!"

Not to mention I added firsthand that the region knew nothing about embassies sheltering real fascists because they never post on our RMB.

At this point, I'm talking to multiple brick walls.

You also said "because being Anti Anti-Fascist is literally pro-fascism" and tried to inform my friend about double negatives. Seriously, what skewing?

Anti Anti = Pro. Anti AntiFascism = Pro Fascism. That is how it works. If you are not against fascism then you are for it or complacent with it.

Anti AntiFascism = anti the NS anti facist community.
Personally I'm anti facist I just don't support NS Antifa because of their tactics.
I'm also anti communist.

[Zrhajan]

Personally I'm anti facist

And yet you seem more than willing to work with fascists.

[Central Asian Republics]

Personally I'm anti facist

And yet you seem more than willing to work with fascists.

I'd like you to provide some context and evidence before making such an outrageous statement.

[Che Triumphant]

And yet you seem more than willing to work with fascists.

I'd like you to provide some context and evidence before making such an outrageous statement.

This nation is in a military alliance that includes many fascist regions, examples of which are The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, Farkasfalka, and The Holy Reich of Bunicken

We don't care your ideology be it fascists, communist or socialist, pro LGBT+, atheists or pro religion, liberal or conservative. we don't care your political beliefs we only care that you support our cause.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1162468

which is the fact book entry for the region this nation is the founder of and has absolute power over

"I am a puppet of Christian Confederation, and represent the six branches of the Confederate millitary.
As well as a Teutonic Commander, Imperial Knight of the Teutonic Empire."
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1163423

another region in a military alliance with many fascist regions and has embassies with those regions

https://www.nationstates.net/region=teutonic_empire

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1152509

[Dreadton]

This debate has degenerated into a constant war of ideologies and personal attacks on each delegate. We should restrict the debate to the proposal before us.

The nation of Dreadton single point of opposition to this proposal has been echoed by many, the proposal lacks any supporting evidence to the allegations that it makes. Without supporting evidence within the proposal, we lack the means to make a decision on the merits of the proposal. Since such a condemnation is something that should only be issued when the evidence supports the charges presented against a nation, we have no choice but to vote against the proposal.

The nation of Dreadton urges the author of this proposal to withdraw, rewrite, and resubmit the proposal with all the necessary information so that this body can make an informed decision.

Until then Dreadton will keep its vote against this proposal.

[Vyluria-Aseko]

Is there any evidence that shows them disrupting and harassing other regions and nations? Otherwise, it’s just a petty jab from one side to the other.

[Christian Confederation]

I'd like you to provide some context and evidence before making such an outrageous statement.

This nation is in a military alliance that includes many fascist regions, examples of which are The Augusto Pinochet Vengeance Force, Farkasfalka, and The Holy Reich of Bunicken

We don't care your ideology be it fascists, communist or socialist, pro LGBT+, atheists or pro religion, liberal or conservative. we don't care your political beliefs we only care that you support our cause.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1162468

which is the fact book entry for the region this nation is the founder of and has absolute power over

"I am a puppet of Christian Confederation, and represent the six branches of the Confederate millitary.
As well as a Teutonic Commander, Imperial Knight of the Teutonic Empire."
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1163423

another region in a military alliance with many fascist regions and has embassies with those regions

https://www.nationstates.net/region=teutonic_empire

https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1152509

Yes my war on antifa,a complete failure. I no longer control that nation I gave it to a friend, I guess he hasn't changed the signature.

My crusader is for aiding allies attacked by communist, Same for the General.

[Christian Confederation]

This may also help.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1167207

[Christian Confederation]

Personally I'm anti facist

And yet you seem more than willing to work with fascists.

In a tough spot I would rather be with the Lesser of the two evils.

[Yokiria]

And yet you seem more than willing to work with fascists.

In a tough spot I would rather be with the Lesser of the two evils.

Fascists are not the lesser evil.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Is this discussion really on topic?
I don't see how throwing insults around is going to get much of anything done. Especially since it was pretty obvious that the condemnation was going to fail the minute people started voting on it.

[Christian Confederation]

In a tough spot I would rather be with the Lesser of the two evils.

Fascists are not the lesser evil.

In my opinion I'd rather be a facist than starving in a communist/ socalist country.
Forget a place called Vinizwala?

[Great Precision]

Forget a place called Vinizwala?

Forget a place called Auschwitz?

[Ransium]

Fascists are not the lesser evil.

In my opinion I'd rather be a facist than starving in a communist/ socalist country.
Forget a place called Vinizwala?

I’m sure you didn’t miss my warning about making this into a conversation about RL: viewtopic.php?p=35345834#p35345834. If you want to debate RL politics do so in the General forum. Doing so here gets you a *** warning for thread jacking ***.

[Ransium]

Forget a place called Vinizwala?

Forget a place called Auschwitz?

*** Warned for threadjacking as well ***

[Impaled Nazarene]

I hope someday we get a well written condemnation for antifa there is lots of reasons to condemn them but unfortunately this doesn’t show much.

Never gonna happen. The way to have more than 5 lines of non-fluff is to suck up to the fascist regions which are despised site wide by everyone that is not Max Berry or Moderation.

[Frachen]

We should do commend antifa not condemn antifa

[Christian Confederation]

We should do commend antifa not condemn antifa

No

In my opinion I'd rather be a facist than starving in a communist/ socalist country.
Forget a place called Vinizwala?

I’m sure you didn’t miss my warning about making this into a conversation about RL: viewtopic.php?p=35345834#p35345834. If you want to debate RL politics do so in the General forum. Doing so here gets you a *** warning for thread jacking ***.

sorry

[Lord Dominator]

I hope someday we get a well written condemnation for antifa there is lots of reasons to condemn them but unfortunately this doesn’t show much.

Never gonna happen. The way to have more than 5 lines of non-fluff is to suck up to the fascist regions which are despised site wide by everyone that is not Max Berry or Moderation.

Last I heard the allowance of them to speak specifically notes that it helps to combat toxic junk from them by allowing others to show their (nazis/fascists) toxicity

[Ceolophysia]

We should do commend antifa not condemn antifa

I don't think we should do either.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Wolf crying at best, was one nation responsible for all of the following issues in Northern Redlands: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33731341 AND https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=33831553 ?



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If you are playing NationStates, not as a Nazi/Fascist or providing them a "safe space", chances are you probably have never heard of NS Antifa, prove me wrong!

Sure, I will answer you.
You raided two regions that were historically important to me many years ago. That was when I first heard of you.

[Yokiria]

Fascists are not the lesser evil.

In my opinion I'd rather be a facist than starving in a communist/ socalist country.
Forget a place called Vinizwala?

You are aware NationStates is a simulation, correct? You will not starve if you are a communist or socialist country here.

Additionally, there is no region called Vinizwala at this time.

[The United Neptumousian Empire]

I agree with this. Antifa spreads propaganda and invades regions under the guise of “we’re removing fascism and making the world better” when all they’re doing is destabilizing peaceful right wing regions and doing more damage then the alt-right they try to fight and leaving them an empty husk. It’s time to end them once and far all.

I do have to agree this is a pretty empty assembly proposal though and will need to be redrafted to have great effect.

all right wing thought is fascist. removing such ideology does make the world better.

[Katganistan]

A reminder that this proposal is to Condemn Antifa as it exists on NationStates, as all proposals do. Real life references in this thread are not helpful, as they are not valid in the bill.