[DRAFT] Commend Confederation of Corrupt Dictators

[Erithaca]

No. Just being dictators is not commend-worthy.

[Caracasus]

Of course not. You all just joined the Discord server your region created for fun.

Yea, under that logic, I should announce to my region that by joining our Discord server, you have signed this unilateral contract we foisted upon you and now have annexed the region and expect the Founder's password to be transferred to EuroFounder's possession within the next 2 hours.

Congratulations on your recent aqquisition! Rather you than me...

Anyways, this is very silly. While Nationstates loves silly, it tends to love clever silly, and seldom appreciates the same joke told twice by the same person.

So yeah, call me Mystic Meg but I got a gut feeling this will crash and burn.

[Armaros]

Is there a rule against shitty proposals spamming the WA? This is gettig ridiculous.

And to the OP: Drop it already kid, no one cares about your miserable region.

[RPRA Techcorp]

Well, at least our diplomatic staff don't need to waste time preparing a statement, as our previous one still rather neatly applies:

It is the belief of the Shogunate delegation that the region in question has done nothing of particular worth to merit any recognition from the World Assembly, whether a commendation or a condemnation. Spending resources on a campaign of self-aggrandizement is the region's only tangible achievement. Insofar as their impact on the global community, their contributions both positive and negative are very close to non-existent. Should this proposal reach the voting floor, the Shogunate's current position is firmly against.

[Wrapper]

Yeet. 1000 % nyet.

Can someone translate this for me, what does this say in English?

“Wow. Ten times no.”

[Ransium]

Oi, this is going the way of NSG. Stick to the topic at hand please.

Hey, I'm just trying to have a nice debate here. I will gladly get back on topic if these libt-liberal individuals would like to back on track.

Jee... I wonder where you were going with 'libt-' there are rules about trolling via political nicknames, don't get cheeky and try to skirt them.

[Ivory Rhodes]

Just more ego-stroking about selective feats from people who worship brutal suppression. Against.

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I thank all nations for their valuable input on the proposal draft... it's very encouraging to hear the same "u guys r fascists u dont deserve a commend lol" about thirty times.

After an appropriate level of editing, the proposal has now been submitted to the Security Council.

[Kuriko]

I thank all nations for their valuable input on the proposal draft... it's very encouraging to hear the same "u guys r fascists u dont deserve a commend lol" about thirty times.

After an appropriate level of editing, the proposal has now been submitted to the Security Council.

You're joking right?

[New Excalibus]

I thank all nations for their valuable input on the proposal draft... it's very encouraging to hear the same "u guys r fascists u dont deserve a commend lol" about thirty times.

After an appropriate level of editing, the proposal has now been submitted to the Security Council.

It's not that you're fascists. It's that you're commending yourselves as a birthday present.

[Democratic Empire of Romania]

I thank all nations for their valuable input on the proposal draft... it's very encouraging to hear the same "u guys r fascists u dont deserve a commend lol" about thirty times.

After an appropriate level of editing, the proposal has now been submitted to the Security Council.

I don't care if you are fascists. It matters what you do as fascists.

[Doing it Rightland]

If you read through the proposal itself, sure its a self condemnation, and sure the CCD is blatantly fascist, but the points they raise are actually pretty valid. They've provided a "haven" if you will for a group that is constantly belittled and shunned in this community, and as much as you may despise fascism, the CCD has been somewhat benign compared to other regions. I see more attempts on their part to negotiate with other regions than I see raiding, which they have done. Compared to raider regions, that's something I'm okay with.

Do I believe they deserve commendation? Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean you should discredit this proposal, and the region as a whole, just because it has their name on it. Take the time to actually look at the points they make, and then draw your own conclusions.

[Kuriko]

They've raided before, fyi.

[Ivory Rhodes]

If you read through the proposal itself, sure its a self condemnation, and sure the CCD is blatantly fascist, but the points they raise are actually pretty valid. They've provided a "haven" if you will for a group that is constantly belittled and shunned in this community, and as much as you may despise fascism, the CCD has been somewhat benign compared to other regions. I see more attempts on their part to negotiate with other regions than I see raiding, which they have done. Compared to raider regions, that's something I'm okay with.

Do I believe they deserve commendation? Absolutely not. But that doesn't mean you should discredit this proposal, and the region as a whole, just because it has their name on it. Take the time to actually look at the points they make, and then draw your own conclusions.

Whoever thought that maybe, just maybe, the people who promote an ideology of hatred whose most famous contributors include Hitler and Mussolini, should be condemned and shunned?

[Doing it Rightland]

Whoever thought that maybe, just maybe, the people who promote an ideology of hatred whose most famous contributors include Hitler and Mussolini, should be condemned and shunned?

I am not saying that fascism doesn't deserve to be shunned; an ideology based off of hate and violence is something that shouldn't be tolerated. What I am saying is that people shouldn't merely discredit the thought of commendation solely by the fact that they disagree with the CCD's ideology. They should take the time to actually read and research the points being made here, and I DO NOT BELIEVE MANY PEOPLE HERE HAVE DONE THAT.

If you disagree with commendation following research, good for you. I agree. But, to not be informed on the subject matter is to make a grave oversight at the potential expense of the international community. It's an issue that I believe is also becoming more prevalent in the GA. I'm not trying to support the CCD, just trying to advocate informed decision-making.

[Stellar Colonies]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_vi ... 1543072755

I've noticed that this is being simultaneously proposed.

[Visionary Union]

I wonder how many times it'll take before CoCD finally realises that they do not, in fact deserve any kind of commendation. You have done nothing to merit one, your previous attempts failed as well (just like this one), and the fact that you guys try to commend yourself is merely the cherry on the top. Stop wasting the Secular Council's time, maybe do some things which are actually contributing and perhaps other people will try to commend you and it will have a chance of passing.

[Ivory Rhodes]

Whoever thought that maybe, just maybe, the people who promote an ideology of hatred whose most famous contributors include Hitler and Mussolini, should be condemned and shunned?

I am not saying that fascism doesn't deserve to be shunned; an ideology based off of hate and violence is something that shouldn't be tolerated. What I am saying is that people shouldn't merely discredit the thought of commendation solely by the fact that they disagree with the CCD's ideology. They should take the time to actually read and research the points being made here, and I DO NOT BELIEVE MANY PEOPLE HERE HAVE DONE THAT.

If you disagree with commendation following research, good for you. I agree. But, to not be informed on the subject matter is to make a grave oversight at the potential expense of the international community. It's an issue that I believe is also becoming more prevalent in the GA. I'm not trying to support the CCD, just trying to advocate informed decision-making.

Even then I don't think the points need to be researched well:

Celebrating the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators (herein "the Confederation") on its third anniversary since founding; applauding its rich history, love for champagne and impact on the world;
They're asking for a celebration of their existence, which is predicated on their promotion of dictatorial ideologies, and then the meaningless "love for champagne" and "impact on the world". Its worth noting CCD has simply existed at its current state since August of this year, where in the meantime they've failed spectacularly to get the WA to do anything they want.

Acknowledging the efforts made by the Confederation in creating the most populous collective of dictatorships in the world;
Again, celebration of their ideology- a subjective point to promote fascism.

Clarifying that dictatorial governance is not inherently evil, and that many benevolent dictatorships successfully operate throughout the world; insisting that the Security Council has the responsibility to recognise the contributions of regions founded on less conventional systems of government;
Contradiction that "many benevolent dictatorships exist" while calling it a "less conventional" system of government. They also fail to present themselves as benevolent, its implied but not explicitly stated.

Applauding the great contributions made to the dictatorial community by the Confederation; in particular the efforts of the Confederation's regional government, the Supreme Council, in rallying for dictatorial rights and acknowledgement;
Aside from sending angry telegrams about the World Assembly and proposals, I don't see how they've made any contributions other than serving as a one-stop-shop for dictators.

Appreciating the efforts of the Supreme Council in encouraging less-prominent factions within the World Assembly not to be misled by influential magnates;
Ibid

Admiring the Confederation's unique legal code and government structure, and noting the region's recent growth that now sees it ranked among the most populous, and powerful, regions in the world;
Patting yourself on the back for growing the region after gaining exposure to the WA via a proposal. As for the "unique" legal code and government structure, its a subjective point but also ignores that there are many far more complex governments on Nationstates.

Recognising that the Confederation has exercised its international power to promote the spread of dictatorial governance throughout the world, benign or otherwise, and in doing so has provided a new home for many hundreds of like-minded nations;
Redundant point is redundant.

All in all, even if you don't take it as a subjective ideological argument, the proposal is full of redundant phrases that point to no tangible, objective arguments other than being such a large region. Lets also remember, as was previously stated in this thread, that this resolution is incredibly similar to the previous version that was struck down 9:1 against.

[Doing it Rightland]

Even then I don't think the points need to be researched well:

My apologies, my prior statements were poorly phrased. "Researched" in this case isn't as applicable, as you have eloquently pointed out. That would be more for GA things, which I've seen somewhat similar situations of peoples' voting aligning with or against certain authors. I agree, there's a lot of redundancy present, that's one of the things here that I don't like. I do disagree with your assessment here:

Clarifying that dictatorial governance is not inherently evil, and that many benevolent dictatorships successfully operate throughout the world; insisting that the Security Council has the responsibility to recognise the contributions of regions founded on less conventional systems of government;
Contradiction that "many benevolent dictatorships exist" while calling it a "less conventional" system of government. They also fail to present themselves as benevolent, its implied but not explicitly stated.

I don't see a contradiction, as benevolent dictatorships can exist, and are less conventional. I do agree, however, that they fail to present themselves as benevolent. Aside from this point, I agree with everything else you pointed out, and those are the reasons I can't support this commendation.

I applaud your breakdown of each point to debunk (I presume) my prior statements, because in doing so, you have fulfilled the desire that I have asked of the nations here: examine the proposal for what it is, not who it is by and for. Good job, and again, apologies if my previous statements were less clear than they should have been.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

I thank all nations for their valuable input on the proposal draft... it's very encouraging to hear the same "u guys r fascists u dont deserve a commend lol" about thirty times.

After an appropriate level of editing, the proposal has now been submitted to the Security Council.

You've got to understand by now that this will not pass, even by a long shot. I'll be shocked if it even makes it to the floor for a vote.

[The New California Republic]

Fuck no. We're not doing this shit again.

^This.

[Valentine Z]

This is an equivalence of patting yourself on the back, my dear Ambassador. If you need positive attention on your region, you'll need someone else to congratulate you. We don't come here often, but we more or less know about the antics here. Against.
- Lead Ambassador Germaine Athena “Mercy De Herzhafter Schutzengel” Sylvi Angelina Zoe Sophia Jen Alanna Rx Hailie Ziegler Constance

[ShrewLlamaLand]

I am happy to note that the proposal currently sits at 53 approvals, and am confident that we will obtain the required 33 more approvals required to reach quorum.

If the proposal fails to reach quorum this time around, we will try re-drafting and re-submitting the proposal - perhaps we'd be able to get some actual feedback on the proposal next time around?

[Tinhampton]

I am happy to note that the proposal currently sits at 53 approvals, and am confident that we will obtain the required 33 more approvals required to reach quorum.

If the proposal fails to reach quorum this time around, we will try re-drafting and re-submitting the proposal - perhaps we'd be able to get some actual feedback on the proposal next time around?

If people are opposing your proposal en masse on the forums, you should take that to be an "This proposal isn't going to pass" rather than a "Vive la kleptocrat!".

[Caracasus]

I am happy to note that the proposal currently sits at 53 approvals, and am confident that we will obtain the required 33 more approvals required to reach quorum.

If the proposal fails to reach quorum this time around, we will try re-drafting and re-submitting the proposal - perhaps we'd be able to get some actual feedback on the proposal next time around?

Eh, I have 10 mins.

The Security Council,

Celebrating the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators (herein "the Confederation") on its third anniversary since founding; applauding its rich history, love for champagne and impact on the world;

Eh, and? There's not much else to support the impact on the world here, frankly. There are many regions older than yours that haven't been commended.

Acknowledging the efforts made by the Confederation in creating the most populous collective of dictatorships in the world;

This statement just says "There are lots of us." Given your TG spam, I'm not surprised, but it's not a commendation worthy thing.

Clarifying that dictatorial governance is not inherently evil, and that many benevolent dictatorships successfully operate throughout the world; insisting that the Security Council has the responsibility to recognise the contributions of regions founded on less conventional systems of government;

Recognise? Sure. Commend? No. You don't deserve a badge just for being edgy and dictatorial, otherwise we'd be handing them out left, right and centre to every edgelord on NSG.

Applauding the great contributions made to the dictatorial community by the Confederation; in particular the efforts of the Confederation's regional government, the Supreme Council, in rallying for dictatorial rights and acknowledgement;

So like every other largeish region (and many smaller ones) you have a regional government. Okay, what else?

Appreciating the efforts of the Supreme Council in encouraging less-prominent factions within the World Assembly not to be misled by influential magnates;

Spam TG'ing about supposed WA/SC conspiracies puts you on a par with Alex Jones in the real world. Feel free to tilt at windmills, but don't expect a commendation for doing so.

Admiring the Confederation's unique legal code and government structure, and noting the region's recent growth that now sees it ranked among the most populous, and powerful, regions in the world;

With that power we'd expect to see something done with it. How many WA/SC resolutions has your region collectively authored and passed? How many issues has your region authored? How many successful, influential raids has it taken part in? Has it established long and interesting RP communities? Aside from its size, your region seems to have accomplished very little in its existence. This is largely why you're not going to get a commendation.

Recognising that the Confederation has exercised its international power to promote the spread of dictatorial governance throughout the world, benign or otherwise, and in doing so has provided a new home for many hundreds of like-minded nations;

Hereby commends the Confederation of Corrupt Dictators.

Again, this is simply "We're established and large." With nothing else to back it up, there's nothing really here to commend. There are individual nations out there that don't (yet) have commendations that've contributed more to the game than your entire region.