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Postby Inutoland » Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:46 pm

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Licana wrote:...I wish I could see what the hell they are talking about...

Ok, I saved the photos and resized them:
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The one I assumed was being compared to the F6F is this one:
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The Hellcat never had a bubble canopy (to my knowledge). The nose looks more like an FW-190, the tailplane has me thinking P-40, and the wings are all kinds of wrong for a Hellcat. The F6F's wings (and stabilizers, now that I think about it) were very square, and much larger in proportion to the rest of the aircraft.


In fact, give me a minute. I still have the model F6F I built as a kid. *grabs the camera*


Ok, ok, my knowledge of US WW2-era fighters is rather less than my knowledge of others. My knowledge base is roughly British>German>US=Japanese>Russian>All the rest.

The front end with the radial engine always puts me in mind of the Hellcat (and a lot of those US naval planes - Corsair, most of them...) I'll have to study up my US WW2 warplanes. You're right, though, it does have a Fw-190 look to it, though without the underslung intake of the Fw-190, the general impression is still more Hellcat/Corsair. To me, at least.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:09 pm

Japanese and US Navy fighters strongly favoured radial engines, most other forces used a mix of radial and V designs.The CISR prefers air-cooled radials, but we do have a few designs based around that inverted V12.
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Postby New Quesit » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:42 pm

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Postby Dinosaurana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:43 pm

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Prange Kg-14


Is that an Su-27, or...?
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Postby New Quesit » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:45 pm

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Postby Transnapastain » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:46 pm

Dinosaurana wrote:
New Quesit wrote:(Image)

Prange Kg-14


Is that an Su-27, or...?


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Su-27

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Not a Su-27. The file name on the picture says its a PAK-FA

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Postby Dinosaurana » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:48 pm

Transnapastain wrote:
Dinosaurana wrote:
Is that an Su-27, or...?


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Su-27

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Not a Su-27. The file name on the picture says its a PAK-FA


Oh, sorry. That @#!*% camo pattern threw me off, since I ALWAYS see SU-27s with that, and PAK-FAs with more of a Greyish-Greenish hue.
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Postby Cartavesqa » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:48 pm

Transnapastain wrote:
Dinosaurana wrote:
Is that an Su-27, or...?


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Su-27

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Not a Su-27. The file name on the picture says its a PAK-FA


Heh all russian aircraft look the same
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Postby Transnapastain » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:58 pm

Cartavesqa wrote:
Heh all russian aircraft look the same


This is almost universally true. Sukhoi craft do look a lot alike, because most of them are built on the Su-27 frame

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Of all of those, minor differences can be detected. Only one of them is immediately noticeably different. Obviously differences would be easier to detect in actual photos of the aircraft, but I wanted to present some uniformity to the posted pictures.

I added in the Su-25, which obviously predates the Su-27 in model, for comparison.

You point is hereby proven, good sir :)

Dinosaurana wrote:Oh, sorry. That @#!*% camo pattern threw me off, since I ALWAYS see SU-27s with that, and PAK-FAs with more of a Greyish-Greenish hue.


No big deal. We ask, thats how we learn. :) Haha, You had it down to the right country, that counts, and, thats a picture of the PAK-FA I've not seem.
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Postby No endorse » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:15 am

Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Japanese and US Navy fighters strongly favoured radial engines, most other forces used a mix of radial and V designs.The CISR prefers air-cooled radials, but we do have a few designs based around that inverted V12.

Radials have good power:weight ratios and can be air-cooled rather than necessarily requiring water cooling. Even multi-row. So there's part of the reason we liked 'em.

They have their drawbacks (drag, don't scale well, etc), but we weren't butting too hard into those at the time.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:04 am

Cartavesqa wrote:
Transnapastain wrote:
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Su-27

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Not a Su-27. The file name on the picture says its a PAK-FA


Heh all russian aircraft look the same


:shock: u mad?

They look about as similar as an F-22 and an F-14.
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Postby Soviet Haaregrad » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:11 am

No endorse wrote:
Soviet Haaregrad wrote:Japanese and US Navy fighters strongly favoured radial engines, most other forces used a mix of radial and V designs.The CISR prefers air-cooled radials, but we do have a few designs based around that inverted V12.

Radials have good power:weight ratios and can be air-cooled rather than necessarily requiring water cooling. Even multi-row.* So there's part of the reason we liked 'em.

They have their drawbacks (drag, don't scale well, etc), but we weren't butting too hard into those at the time.


Yes, I was aware of that* when I made the decision.

They also have lower maintenance requirements and much higher reliability and don't die when your coolant leaks out through the bullet hole in your radiator. Considering that we tend towards trying to engineer simple solutions where possible, radials would have clearly made our decision makers fap.
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Postby Cartavesqa » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:06 pm

Look at the MiG-35 and The Pak, they look the same on the exterior. Generally russian aircraft from the same era look the same, even though MiG-35 and PAK are not from the same era.
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Postby Licana » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:10 pm

Cartavesqa wrote:Look at the MiG-35 and The Pak, they look the same on the exterior. Generally russian aircraft from the same era look the same, even though MiG-35 and PAK are not from the same era.

MiG-35 is a MiG-29 with TVC...and it looks nothing like the T-50
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Postby Cartavesqa » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:12 pm

Licana wrote:
Cartavesqa wrote:Look at the MiG-35 and The Pak, they look the same on the exterior. Generally russian aircraft from the same era look the same, even though MiG-35 and PAK are not from the same era.

MiG-35 is a MiG-29 with TVC...and it looks nothing like the T-50

It kinda does, the bottom is almost a replica
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Postby Cartavesqa » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:13 pm

Transnapastain wrote:
Cartavesqa wrote:
Heh all russian aircraft look the same


This is almost universally true. Sukhoi craft do look a lot alike, because most of them are built on the Su-27 frame

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Of all of those, minor differences can be detected. Only one of them is immediately noticeably different. Obviously differences would be easier to detect in actual photos of the aircraft, but I wanted to present some uniformity to the posted pictures.

I added in the Su-25, which obviously predates the Su-27 in model, for comparison.

You point is hereby proven, good sir :)

Dinosaurana wrote:Oh, sorry. That @#!*% camo pattern threw me off, since I ALWAYS see SU-27s with that, and PAK-FAs with more of a Greyish-Greenish hue.


No big deal. We ask, thats how we learn. :) Haha, You had it down to the right country, that counts, and, thats a picture of the PAK-FA I've not seem.


This is what i meant
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Postby Cartavesqa » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:13 pm

Transnapastain wrote:
Cartavesqa wrote:
Heh all russian aircraft look the same


This is almost universally true. Sukhoi craft do look a lot alike, because most of them are built on the Su-27 frame

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Of all of those, minor differences can be detected. Only one of them is immediately noticeably different. Obviously differences would be easier to detect in actual photos of the aircraft, but I wanted to present some uniformity to the posted pictures.

I added in the Su-25, which obviously predates the Su-27 in model, for comparison.

You point is hereby proven, good sir :)

Dinosaurana wrote:Oh, sorry. That @#!*% camo pattern threw me off, since I ALWAYS see SU-27s with that, and PAK-FAs with more of a Greyish-Greenish hue.


No big deal. We ask, thats how we learn. :) Haha, You had it down to the right country, that counts, and, thats a picture of the PAK-FA I've not seem.


This is what i meant
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Postby Licana » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:21 pm

Cartavesqa wrote:
Licana wrote:MiG-35 is a MiG-29 with TVC...and it looks nothing like the T-50

It kinda does, the bottom is almost a replica

Looks more like an Su-27 to me, but it doesn't really seem to resemble either more strongly than the other.
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Postby The Kievan People » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:34 pm

Cartavesqa wrote:Look at the MiG-35 and The Pak, they look the same on the exterior. Generally russian aircraft from the same era look the same, even though MiG-35 and PAK are not from the same era.


Wot.

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Unless we're going by the fact they both have two engines and two wings.
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Postby Arkinesia » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:51 pm

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Postby Minnysota » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:54 pm

Yak-9 really only beat the P-51D in maneuverability. A captured Yak-9 during the Cold War was tested and they came to that result.
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Postby Xin Ming » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:46 pm

Bi-Planes in Space. Wrap your mind around that one comrades.
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Postby The Corparation » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:48 pm

Xin Ming wrote:Bi-Planes in Space. Wrap your mind around that one comrades.

Killed by micrometeroites as most old-time biplanes have fabric wings. And internal combustian engines don't work in space. And Spit-fires in space has already been done and has won the category of old-time fighter in space.
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Postby Xin Ming » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:51 pm

The Corparation wrote:
Xin Ming wrote:Bi-Planes in Space. Wrap your mind around that one comrades.

Killed by micrometeroites as most old-time biplanes have fabric wings. And internal combustian engines don't work in space. And Spit-fires in space has already been done and has won the category of old-time fighter in space.


I didn't say the same technology, I just said Space-Biplanes. Being that Space-Fighters are entirely academic to begin with and deployed because in FT we don't care about the things that MT cares about? But yeah, Bi-Planes in Space, or maybe the single-plane Junker, haven't decided yet.
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