NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Questers armoured squadron

Squadron Tactical HQ: Main battle tank No.18 (3+1), Main Battle Tank No.17 (3+1), MRAP (2)

Squadron Signals Unit: x1 Sultan (3), x1 FV439 (4)
Squadron Admin Unit: x1 12-ton (3)
Squadron Ambulance Unit: x1 Land Rover (1+1), x2 Samaritan (4)
Squadron Stores Unit: x1 Land Rover (2), x2 12-ton (4)
Squadron Fitters Detachment: x1 Land Rover (1+1), x1 Samson (3), x1 FV512 (3) x1 FV513 (3)
Squadron Support Detachment: x1 Bridgelayer (4)

No. 1 Troop: Main battle tank No.4 (3+1), Main battle tank No.3 (4), Main battle tank No.2 (4), Main battle tank No.1 (4)
No. 2 Troop: Main battle tank No.8 (3+1), Main battle tank No.7 (4), Main battle tank No.6 (4), Main battle tank No.5 (4)
No. 3 Troop: Main battle tank No.12 (3+1), Main battle tank No.11 (4), Main battle tank No.10 (4), Main battle tank No.9 (4)
No. 3 Troop: Main battle tank No.16 (3+1), Main battle tank No.15 (4), Main battle tank No.14 (4), Main battle tank No.13 (4)

8 officers + 157 other ranks
18 tanks + 26 tracked vehicles + 7 soft skins
1 MRAP
1 sultan command APC
1 signals APC
2 ambulance APC
3 repair/maintenance APC
3 land rovers
3 12-ton trucks
1 bridgelayer

This is just an example of a large-sized company, in comparison to the tiny one I posted earlier

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

4 tank platoon of four, plus Company CO Tank and Company VCO tank. Is this correct?

Dunno if should add a support platoon too. And maybe a Air Defense Vehicle too?

I'm sure when you go shopping you want to put all the meat on the shelf in your trolley, but there's a reason you can't do that

[Theodosiya]

4 tank platoon of four, plus Company CO Tank and Company VCO tank. Is this correct?

Dunno if should add a support platoon too. And maybe a Air Defense Vehicle too?

I'm sure when you go shopping you want to put all the meat on the shelf in your trolley, but there's a reason you can't do that

Yeah, fine. Still, 4x4(+2)+1 bridgelayer, 1x ambulance, 1x truck and trailer, 1x IFV/APC (to carry mechanics)

HQ would be the two MBT and a SHORAD vehicles (twin 35mm + Stinger turret mated with MBT hull)

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

It's fine

There is no "golden setup"

[Spirit of Hope]

I'm sure when you go shopping you want to put all the meat on the shelf in your trolley, but there's a reason you can't do that

Yeah, fine. Still, 4x4(+2)+1 bridgelayer, 1x ambulance, 1x truck and trailer, 1x IFV/APC (to carry mechanics)

HQ would be the two MBT and a SHORAD vehicles (twin 35mm + Stinger turret mated with MBT hull)

A company doesn't need a bridge layer, and I don't think it would need a SHORAD vehicle either. But as already said, it's fine.

[New Vihenia]

Oh and quick question.. what determines gradability or tank ? or generally tracked vehicle.

[Ideal Britain]

Would recruiting Pakistani and Indian regiments in the British Army work?
Our Britain is doing that in line with the Gurkha precedent,
Most of the recruits being Pashtuns, Jats (both Muslim and Hindu), Sikhs or Rajputs (both Muslim and Hindu) from Northern India and Pakistan.

[Gallia-]

They would probably kill each other more than the enemy.

[Cossack Peoples]

They would probably kill each other more than the enemy.

Well, certainly don't grease the rifle cartridges in cow and pig fat either way.

[Ideal Britain]

They would probably kill each other more than the enemy.

Yes because the French foreign legion always fecking kill each other.

[Spirit of Hope]

They would probably kill each other more than the enemy.

Yes because the French foreign legion always fecking kill each other.

There is a stark difference between the French Foriegn Legion and ethnic regiments composed of two religious with a history of animosity.

While I don't think that the soldiers will necessarily be at each other's throats, that is going to depend a lot on history and how the units are handled. Ethnic/religious strife in those units would be a consideration.

[Gallia-]

When the English owned Pakistan and India they invented the idea of martial races that were "coincidentally" politically and militarily aligned with the British Empire. You would need to make new martial races and this could be easily discovered by having an Amazon Web Service survey on what you think about the British Army or something plus what is your caste and ethnicity.

Hong Kong would be a better starting point since it has some marginal amounts of fondness for the UK vice the mainlanders, but it's possible HK may not even exist in 2040.

[Ideal Britain]

When the English owned Pakistan and India they invented the idea of martial races that were "coincidentally" politically and militarily aligned with the British Empire. You would need to make new martial races and this could be easily discovered by having an Amazon Web Service survey on what you think about the British Army or something plus what is your caste and ethnicity.

Hong Kong would be a better starting point since it has some marginal amounts of fondness for the UK vice the mainlanders, but it's possible HK may not even exist in 2040.

HK is independent in 2047. It is a member of the commonwealth and we have 7 Hong Kong Regiments.

Also in Pakistan and India there are many who favour good relations with the British (hence them choosing to stay in the commonwealth),
We don't want to racialise it but obviously recruits will go through a selection process, especially officers.
Remember it's only composed of those who voluntarily sign-up plus they have separate Pakistani Regiments (including Muslims as well as Christians and 1 Hindu) and Indian Regiments (including Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and 7 Buddhists).

[Grater Tovakia]

Oh and quick question.. what determines gradability or tank ? or generally tracked vehicle.

https://mcoepublic.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/library/Armorpapers/ASTUP/G-L/GannTomH%20CPT.pdf

The purpose of this article is to show you, the reader, how the
gradeability of the M-60 tank was determined.

this will probably help you

[Spirit of Hope]

So I'm working a an Armored/Mechanized Division Calculator. Page 1 (Customize) allows a user to input the names of equipment and company sizes, page 2 (Calculator) allows a user to play around with the number of units present in the division. At the top of page 2 it will then state how much of different types of equipment there will be in the division, and a rough supply requirement estimate for the division.

[The Manticoran Empire]

So I'm working a an Armored/Mechanized Division Calculator. Page 1 (Customize) allows a user to input the names of equipment and company sizes, page 2 (Calculator) allows a user to play around with the number of units present in the division. At the top of page 2 it will then state how much of different types of equipment there will be in the division, and a rough supply requirement estimate for the division.

Most impressive.

[Theodosiya]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... =745528633

Well, still very rough. But its the Armored Division...

[New Vihenia]

So I'm working a an Armored/Mechanized Division Calculator. Page 1 (Customize) allows a user to input the names of equipment and company sizes, page 2 (Calculator) allows a user to play around with the number of units present in the division. At the top of page 2 it will then state how much of different types of equipment there will be in the division, and a rough supply requirement estimate for the division.

This is wonderful. Nice work.

Should be really helpful for "bean counting" and in overall determines not only supplies but also to size whatever means required to deliver them.
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https://mcoepublic.blob.core.usgovcloudapi.net/library/Armorpapers/ASTUP/G-L/GannTomH%20CPT.pdf

The purpose of this article is to show you, the reader, how the
gradeability of the M-60 tank was determined.

this will probably help you

Thanks.

What i'm looking is more like how to calculate/approximate one. This is what i work so far in form of spreadsheet.

I dug into my HD and found this old one given by RandC

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KZfjXV ... sp=sharing

The paper has a trap that it doesnt specify unit used.. but turns out it's all in Imperial.

So the idea is one only need to specify the vehicle gross weight, gradeability range and planned roadspeed. The sheet will approximate the resistance and the respective required Horsepower to move. The sheet will also attempt to estimate towing capacity based on specified engine Horsepower.

This is the result so far. In this image it can be seen that for most road condition and 60% military requirement for gradeability at most 300 Hp engine is required. But the same can't be said for towing. The second part of the sheet which denotes Drawbar pull, it is evident that the vehicle can't pull the load at specified speed even with 500 Hp engine. It needs more engine power Or tow at much slower speed.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

Would recruiting Pakistani and Indian regiments in the British Army work?
Our Britain is doing that in line with the Gurkha precedent,
Most of the recruits being Pashtuns, Jats (both Muslim and Hindu), Sikhs or Rajputs (both Muslim and Hindu) from Northern India and Pakistan.

Bit weird.

There are enough Sikhs in Britain in the army and who want to join the Army that Britain itself could raise a Sikh Regiment (with one battalion) and the Sikhs wanted to do it, but of course it never happened

[Gallia-]

bombpers are like a baby size Boeing 2707 or something with a bit more chininess

[United Earthlings]

We don't export nuclear submarine. and It appears even nowadays modern conventional submarine desires some form of VPM be it as VLS e.g the Korean KSS-3, U-216 and A-26 Oceanic-Extended Range variant. Increasing firepower and expanding roles.

Is the export market the main driving force on why the new Ephyon Class was designed and being built or did you see them meeting a specific mission requirement within your nation's navy with the export market being of secondary concern?

Well Ephelions are rather old class which i set in year of 1960's. Neva was newer but getting long in the tooth. Conventional D-E like Deliria are getting old too thus need replacements. Those older SSN's will be replaced with something newer and more spacious with 11000 Ton of surfaced displacement. Ephyon will replace the conventional variants as well as an export commodities.

Please forgive my perfectionism, it does not understand what it does.

If you haven’t given it much thought or even if things have been retconned, I understand, but lately I’ve been attempting to organize things with my NS nation in a more chorological order, my Navy being no exception. I don’t know if you ever saw it, but Grey’s Harbor had a pretty great naval factbook covering their major vessels going back decades, I’ve been attempting to do the same for mine in small increments.

But, I digress. I really loved your underwater warriors diagram, which motivated me to put it into chorological order, so if anything is incorrect, wrongly assumed or misplaced I look forward to when you have the time, setting the record straight, if you are so inclined, which I am hoping you are.

Dates used are estimated date of completion of first unit of new class, since you said the 1960s was a starting date, I used the late 1960s as a starting date and in general went for a 4 year margin of error. I found as many classes as I could, but if you’re anything like me there are large gaps in places because those classes haven’t been decided on yet.

The Underwater Warriors of the navy of the United Federation of Vihenia
SSNs: Ephelion class [Sometime between 1965&1969?], Ephelion II class [Sometime between 1968&1972?], Neva Class [Sometime between 1972&1976?], Ephelion III class [Sometime between 1978&1982?]

SSGNs: Marion Class [Sometime between 1970&1976?], Deliria Thalia [Sometime between 1982&1986?], Deliria Vandaria [Sometime between 1986&1990?], Emeria Vandaria Class [Sometime between 1990&1994?]

SSBNs: Kasatka Class [Sometime between 1976&1980?], Kasatka II Class [Sometime between 1980&1984?]

SSKs: Deliria Class [Sometime between 1978&1982?], Nansen Class [Sometime between 1982&1986?], Marielle Class [Sometime between 2010&2014], Ephyon Class [Sometime between 2016&2020?]

How'd I do?

[Theodosiya]

Talking about submarines, that reminds me...

New Vihenia, should we continue the CBG batch 2, or cancel it and get the German-Turk Reis or French Scorpenes? Or ask German to buy U-214/216/218?

[New Solaurora]

Is there a particular thread I can go to for help with writing a realistic war that takes place in the 1920s?

[Ideal Britain]

Does "Army or jail" work for military purposes?

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Does "Army or jail" work for military purposes?

I think yes.
But,It's not a good idea to send prisoners to military service. This actually caused the confusion in the barracks and the bad reputation of the army. Will make more patriotic young people refuse military service