NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Vol. 11.0

[Xia-]

The other part is that freeze dried food doesn't do anything to reduce overall weight, because in order to consume the food it has to be rehydrated. With water the soldiers presumably have to carry themselves or carry purification gear for and spend time looking for and testing water sources.

Which is why it isn't done despite the existence of freeze-drying technology for literally over a century.

And then there is the obvious morale problem.

Soldiers already complain about "Meals Rejected by Ethiopians." Now imagine feeding them freeze dried food.

Defectors. Defectors Everywhere.jpg

MREs are bad because they need to stay wet. You can freeze dry anything.

[Tule]

We do all realize that military forces switch to 'real' food, cooked on location, wherever possible (down to the Soviets having soup runners in Stalingrad and Berlin)?

Vicious battles have been fought over field kitchens, a testament to their importance.

https://books.google.is/books?id=Seki32 ... ar&f=false

[Xia-]

This is a better and more well known example.

[Isam]

I imagined recon by force capable of engaging in direct fires.

A bit of backstory: the military's main mission as it stands is to subdue the various gang-militias in the cities and hills, as well as to eliminate separatist opposition on the Felicity Islands. These two distinct but interrelated conflicts are known in the news as "The Battle Against the Brigands," since separatists in the Felicities tend to work with gangs on the main island. This is highly irregular warfare, and the post-Revolutionary state is trying to eliminate crime and reactionary terrorism.

I'm conflicted as to whether I should concentrate the vehicles into one force -something like the Sri Lanka Armored Corps- or have them be dispersed among the motorized brigades as integral battalions. This is a developing country, so we lack the resources to develop or buy main battle tanks. I doubt a country of a few million people would even need an MBT. Maybe a medium tank? Anyway...

My thought is that recon vehicles or light tanks will provide the main spearhead to capitalize on tactical and operational advantages, with technicals or light utility vehicles being the motorized "tail."

Our fleet of recon vehicles is also aging, mostly from the Cold War. I was going to design a modular vehicle that could suit multiple needs, something like a Third World CVR.

I would suggest that none of those platforms are suited to recce by force - you are probably looking at something similar to the British light cavalry concept (optimised for FIND/FEEL/UNDERSTAND by stealth, with capacity for STRIKE/RAID, supported by IDF). The Saladin would give a slightly greater STRIKE/DESTROY capability, but the Cascavel's 37mm would be about right for the opposition you are describing.

I agree that an MBT would be (expensive) overkill, and not optimised for the environment, although you may intend to have a small number of something like the T-72/CR export models for prestige/deterrence. Have you considered some of the Russian platforms like BMP-3 or BTR-90 for your recce element? You're also mentioning a third world CVR(T), but given the age of that fleet it is not unrealistic to just use the CVR(T) platform as a purchased-from platform given that the UK is moving toward newer platforms anyway.

The problem with recce/light armour in your spearhead idea is that they tend to die pretty quickly, unless they are supported by armour.

[Xia-]

MBTs are the supreme reconnaissance platform.

[Isam]

MBTs are the supreme reconnaissance platform.

Depends what you are trying to achieve in your recce. They are hardly subtle..!

[Crookfur]

The engesa double team was pretty much THE 1980s budget light armour solution and one that worked pretty well. Saddly it goes away as an option in the 1990s just dirt cheap BMPs and t-55s become easily available and can be purchased without hard currency or the ties that come with aide packages.

[Gallia-]

Kampala's goofy EE-T1/EE-T4 tag team will ride to victory.

MBTs are the supreme reconnaissance platform.

Depends what you are trying to achieve in your recce. They are hardly subtle..!

"Subtle" what is this concept.

Aren't all attacks supposed to be preceded by high supersonic tactical bombers and ABC weapons?

[Gallia-]

The opposite of Libertytruper.png? Possibly.

L-R: Mekskytte; Pansarskytte; Parachutist; Helicopterman; they are wearing PASGT, Interceptor, Interceptor, and Ranger Body Armor respectively. Helmets are PASGT/LWH; Combat Vehicle Crewman/Adv. CVC Helmet; Army Combat Helmet/Enhanced Combat Helmet; and PASGT/LWH. Belts are 50-rounds; bag things are 100-rounds because I haven't drawn a proper 200-round box yet. The M16s and Mini Sixty are in 5.56x45mm while the M60 is 6.5x55mm Swedish. The pistols are VP70s in .224 Boz or something dumb. The helmets are probably made from a common base fiber in something stupid/futuristic like M5 fiber, but different cuts. PASGT/LWH cut for Ground Troops; CVC shells for Cavalrymen because Spur Parochialism; and MICH cut for paratroopers because I wanted to draw a MICH. Literally that's it. I don't know why the paras have MICH for any practical reason except maybe they're just such high speed dudes they get a bunch of radios IDK.

You can tell who wears spurs by the amount of leather on their boots. More leather = more spur. All leather is maximum spur. Achilles tendon ossification + bone spur tier. All fabric boot = I can dig a trench from the beach to Berlin by Christmas.

The engesa double team was pretty much THE 1980s budget light armour solution and one that worked pretty well. Saddly it goes away as an option in the 1990s just dirt cheap BMPs and t-55s become easily available and can be purchased without hard currency or the ties that come with aide packages.

Kampala's goofy EE-T1/EE-T4 tag team will ride to victory.

MBTs are the supreme reconnaissance platform.

Depends what you are trying to achieve in your recce. They are hardly subtle..!

"Subtle" what is this concept.

Aren't all attacks supposed to be preceded by high supersonic tactical bombers and ABC weapons?

[Halfblakistan]

Considering we're right off Brazil's shores and have close ties, I figured we'd have Cascavels and Urutus inherited from the old regime. I'd assume some would have been knocked out in the War, but we'd still have some. Also, the old government had a close relationship with Apartheid South Africa, so some EE-7's could also be in the inventory. And the Saladins could be given as aid by the British.

My government would like to develop an indigenous platform to boost the arms industry and not have to rely on foreign parts. I'm thinking something like a Wiesel or a modernized Saladin to start off.

Of course, I did run across this article, so I guess it's not as hard to get a T-72 as I thought! Might make for a fun joyride for the President.

[Austrasien]

MBTs are the supreme reconnaissance platform.

A recon platform that needs its own rec to rec before it recs.

Reconception.

[Gallia-]

MBTs are the supreme reconnaissance platform.

A recon platform that needs its own rec to rec before it recs.

Reconception.

Just give it a big mast to see over things.

So it can rec while it wrecks.

e: Replace Abrams loader position with Abrams recce UAS position.

Ultimate recce vehicle U.S. Cavalry FITE.

e2: The only more :#YACYAS: meme would be TRICAP air assault with helicoptermen landing on bridges so the tank-reconnaissance battalions can cross them and burn down Berlin/Baghdad/Beijing?

[Crookfur]

Considering we're right off Brazil's shores and have close ties, I figured we'd have Cascavels and Urutus inherited from the old regime. I'd assume some would have been knocked out in the War, but we'd still have some. Also, the old government had a close relationship with Apartheid South Africa, so some EE-7's could also be in the inventory. And the Saladins could be given as aid by the British.

My government would like to develop an indigenous platform to boost the arms industry and not have to rely on foreign parts. I'm thinking something like a Wiesel or a modernized Saladin to start off.

Of course, I did run across this article, so I guess it's not as hard to get a T-72 as I thought! Might make for a fun joyride for the President.

Developing your own affordable 6x6 platform using whatever truck parts are available in your nation would make a lot of sense as it would allow you to get rid of a lot of stuff that will be getting difficult if not impossible to support either now or in the near future. Most of the work will have to come from your existing automotive sector and it would help a lot if you have manufacturing of relatively modern trucks going on.

Something super niche like weisel is probably best avoided.

[Condottieri International]

How would nullify a stealth based airforce and heavily stealth based navy?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How would nullify a stealth based airforce and heavily stealth based navy?

You can't.

[Condottieri International]

Ok, let me put this another way. 2 Squadrons of F35 square off against each other. How would it play out?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Ok, let me put this another way. 2 Squadrons of F35 square off against each other. How would it play out?

AIM-9X slugfest.

[Padnak]

Does anyone know any good literature on the performance of south american militaries in counter insurgency operations during the cold war? Really broad I know

[The Akasha Colony]

Ok, let me put this another way. 2 Squadrons of F35 square off against each other. How would it play out?

There are way more variables than that.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

My entry into the Kvlt of Manuever^TM sweepstakes. Basically an independent armor brigade that's basically a mini division even though it's called a brigade because divisions are so 1900s.

Armor Brigade Group :

1x Armoured Recon Battalion

• 3x Recon troop
  
  • 2x Tank platoon
  • 2x Recon platoon (CFVs)
• 1x Tank company
  
  • 3x Tank platoon
• 1x HQ/Support company
• 1x Engineer company

3x Combined Arms Battalions

• 2x Tank company
  
  • 3x Tank platoon
• 2x Infantry company
  
  • 3x Infantry platoon
• 1x HQ/Support company
• 1x Engineer company

1x Strike battalion

• 1x Battery HQ
  
  • 1x Targeting platoon
  • 1x Counterbattery radar platoon
• 3x 155mm Fires battery
• 2x MLRS battery

Air defense battalion

• 1x Battery HQ
• 1x SAM Battery (~NASAMS)
• 1x SHORAD Battery (~Skyguard/Avenger)

Combat Sustainment battalion

• 1x HQ company
• 1x Medical company
• 1x Maintenance company
• 1x Distribution company
• 4x forward support company

Rough totals:
~130 MBTs
~120 IFVs/CFVs
~36x 120mm mortar
~18x 155mm SPH
~16x MLRS
~5,500-6,000 personnel

[Questers]

That's a nice demi-division until it reaches a river.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Here's some maneuverism:

I will combine the light infantry forces of the Taihei Parachute Division and the (division-size) Special Naval Landing Forces into a multi-role "expeditionary vanguard corps" that can swing between carrier platforms for operational maneuver in air-ground task forces. Since it would be "land forces" in the functional National Protection Army it would fall under the Army but it would do a lot of navy things.

I am thinking about calling it the Marine Corps, suggestions?

[The Akasha Colony]

That's a nice demi-division until it reaches a river.

Gotcha covered.

[Purpelia]

That's a nice demi-division until it reaches a river.

Maybe I can interest him for some mobile barge/bridge vehicles?
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/nsdraft ... 10186.html

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

That's a nice demi-division until it reaches a river.

Engineer companies breh