Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

>Krogans
>Below average intelligence

what sort of fantasy galaxy are you living in?

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

So what your saying is.... grenades are good?

Against a charging Krogan? A grenade might just piss it off, I wouldn't be comfortable with anything less than an anti-tank weapon TBH. Like an AT4 or a conveniently placed anti-tank mine. Then shoot it in the head a few times after you think you've killed it, just to be sure.

[Allanea]

Allanea

Your post sorta reminded me of something actually.

If going up against what are basically Krogans, below average intelligence but with certain physical advantages(regeneration, redundant organs, size, high birth rate), what would be the best way of taking them down? Sure artillery would probably do well, just like with humans. But in a rather close combat scenario like say a city what would you do if faced with one of those bastards?

My rule is very simple:

1. Figure out how much they weight.
2. If they're significantly heavier than humans, look at what weaponry is used IRL to hunt dangerous animals of the same size.

That's really it.

If we're talking about real-world regeneration (rather than movie like 'you can see the prerson's injured flesh heal in front of your very eyes'), that doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter to a soldier if the enemy he shot falls over and lives to fight another day, or falls over and immediately dies. As long as you've taken it out of the fight you've won the fight, and if you really are about killing them you can shoot them in the head or walk over and stab them a bit.

Because my nation often confronts all sorts of weird creatures I issue a 7.62 rifle.

[Crookfur]

Poachers successfully hunt elephants with AKs and it's said AKs that are driving them to extinction (Well alongside other environmental issues) not any fancy big game nitro express rifles.

If you can kill elephants with normal assault rifles then you can kill whatever wankomatic tank species you care to invent with normal assault rifles and machine guns, you just need to shoot them a bit more often.

[Allanea]

Well poachers are not per se fighting the elephants in combat.

Also I think the AKs are mostly for fighitng off park rangers.

[Fordorsia]

They're for both. Shoot the elephant a load of times with your AKs until it dies, which won't exactly be a long time. Shoot at anyone who just so happens to show up.

[Crookfur]

Its a case of what they can get hold of. Occasionally you see rusty FALs and G3s but usually it just the common or garden African AK of random background.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Wait, what is that? It cannot be!

The Brazilian is linearting again!?

What the heck is wrong with this world?



GLORIOUS BRAZILIAN ENGINEERING

[NeuPolska]

Lots of great informatiom, thanks a lot guys.

I think I'll have two variants, one in 5.56 and another in 7.62. As for my desire to create large exit wounds, can I do that with those rounds using some sort of modification, like hollow points or fragmentation, or would that take away too greatly from it being able to pierce infantry armor?

[Husseinarti]

M855 creates wounds that kill already.

And yes hollow point would fuck with the armor penetration.

[United states of brazilian nations]

And it is done. Behold, the brainchild of the magnificient Elmo Suzano, the LAPA FA 03!

[Rhodesialund]

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And it is done. Behold, the brainchild of the magnificient Elmo Suzano, the LAPA FA 03!

Looks good, although you need to add more details in the cutouts. It'll give users an idea on how such a rifle would work. Also is the CH reciprocating or nah?

[The Akasha Colony]

Lots of great informatiom, thanks a lot guys.

I think I'll have two variants, one in 5.56 and another in 7.62. As for my desire to create large exit wounds, can I do that with those rounds using some sort of modification, like hollow points or fragmentation, or would that take away too greatly from it being able to pierce infantry armor?

These rounds are already designed to be plenty deadly. It's not as if their primary use is, you know, shooting at other people.

[Kazarogkai]

Poachers successfully hunt elephants with AKs and it's said AKs that are driving them to extinction (Well alongside other environmental issues) not any fancy big game nitro express rifles.

If you can kill elephants with normal assault rifles then you can kill whatever wankomatic tank species you care to invent with normal assault rifles and machine guns, you just need to shoot them a bit more often.

elephants don't shoot back, Krogan do. Plus Krogan are usually smart enough to take cover and the like.

[NeuPolska]

M855 creates wounds that kill already.

And yes hollow point would fuck with the armor penetration.

Okay, last few questions then: I heard the Soviets did a thing with their ammunition where they made the tail end of the round heavier (or something of the sort) so that it was guaranteed to tumble once it hit its target, would that be something worthwhile to look into, and can I do that with both 5.whatever and 7.62?

And how responsible is the rifle itself for the energy at which a round is fired?

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

(Image)

And it is done. Behold, the brainchild of the magnificient Elmo Suzano, the LAPA FA 03!

fish gun

[Gallia-]

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And it is done. Behold, the brainchild of the magnificient Elmo Suzano, the LAPA FA 03!

fish gun

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[Ormata]

Poachers successfully hunt elephants with AKs and it's said AKs that are driving them to extinction (Well alongside other environmental issues) not any fancy big game nitro express rifles.

If you can kill elephants with normal assault rifles then you can kill whatever wankomatic tank species you care to invent with normal assault rifles and machine guns, you just need to shoot them a bit more often.

elephants don't shoot back, Krogan do. Plus Krogan are usually smart enough to take cover and the like.

Hence why the punt gun is the best weapon.

Mount them in a quad-mount on the back of the truck, fire them, and the group of Krogan advancing is dead, the group behind that group is dead, the tree twenty yards to the right is dead, and the truck has gained a new propulsion system. It also works as a AAA gun, with the added benefit of emplacing the truck after firing at least three yards into the ground.

[Immoren]

(Image)

And it is done. Behold, the brainchild of the magnificient Elmo Suzano, the LAPA FA 03!

fish gun

Looks more like boat gun to me.

Poachers successfully hunt elephants with AKs and it's said AKs that are driving them to extinction (Well alongside other environmental issues) not any fancy big game nitro express rifles.

If you can kill elephants with normal assault rifles then you can kill whatever wankomatic tank species you care to invent with normal assault rifles and machine guns, you just need to shoot them a bit more often.

elephants don't shoot back, Krogan do. Plus Krogan are usually smart enough to take cover and the like.

Clearly we need to train elephants to use artillery.

[Purpelia]

Poachers successfully hunt elephants with AKs and it's said AKs that are driving them to extinction (Well alongside other environmental issues) not any fancy big game nitro express rifles.

If you can kill elephants with normal assault rifles then you can kill whatever wankomatic tank species you care to invent with normal assault rifles and machine guns, you just need to shoot them a bit more often.

elephants don't shoot back, Krogan do. Plus Krogan are usually smart enough to take cover and the like.

Honestly your solution is going to be something like the various grenade rifles proposed by world forces right now. So like if your soldiers can physically lift it get an XM-25 with a drum magazine and full auto capability and call it a day. Oh, and ditch the fancy sights (since you don't need the airburst capability) in favor of impact fused HEAT.

NOTHING alive is going to survive being hit by 20-25mm of High Explosive Anti Tank.

[Spirit of Hope]

M855 creates wounds that kill already.

And yes hollow point would fuck with the armor penetration.

Okay, last few questions then: I heard the Soviets did a thing with their ammunition where they made the tail end of the round heavier (or something of the sort) so that it was guaranteed to tumble once it hit its target, would that be something worthwhile to look into, and can I do that with both 5.whatever and 7.62?

And how responsible is the rifle itself for the energy at which a round is fired?

5.56 already has a pretty good chance to tumble, though a variety of mechanisms, such as heavier rear, a slightly deforming tip and other tips of round design. You could also make a round designed to fragment after penetration, by a variety of means.

The barrel length is important to the energy and speed of the bullet, and the twist rate can impact accuracy. Round design still is an important factor all all of these things have to be considered together. As an example early M4s had issues with reliably causing injury and penetration. Later round designs mitigated or eliminated these issues.

[Crookfur]

Poachers successfully hunt elephants with AKs and it's said AKs that are driving them to extinction (Well alongside other environmental issues) not any fancy big game nitro express rifles.

If you can kill elephants with normal assault rifles then you can kill whatever wankomatic tank species you care to invent with normal assault rifles and machine guns, you just need to shoot them a bit more often.

elephants don't shoot back, Krogan do. Plus Krogan are usually smart enough to take cover and the like.

Doesn't change the fact that a "normal" assault rifle is perfectly capable of killing wankomatic aliens given suffient volume of fire.

Would giving everyone a .50BMG weapon be a nice help? Of course it would but sadly we humans are quite limited in what we can handle as a general issue firearm which is why the general weight and felt recoil of our firearms haven't really changed hugely since the flintlock musket.

What would be more likely to induce a change in what weapons are used would be the armour materials available to any spacefaring aliens. After all we can already produce wearable armour that provides reasonable coverage against most practical small arms.

Frankly if they aren't protected by e-sapi equivalent armour then we could still kill quite the thing with sufficient volume of fire. I suppose you might see a proliferation of more belt/large box fed individual weapons and things like iron man packs to help generate said volume of fire.

[Husseinarti]

Allanea

Your post sorta reminded me of something actually.

If going up against what are basically Krogans, below average intelligence but with certain physical advantages(regeneration, redundant organs, size, high birth rate), what would be the best way of taking them down? Sure artillery would probably do well, just like with humans. But in a rather close combat scenario like say a city what would you do if faced with one of those bastards?

Artillery, probably.

[Immoren]

elephants don't shoot back, Krogan do. Plus Krogan are usually smart enough to take cover and the like.

Doesn't change the fact that a "normal" assault rifle is perfectly capable of killing wankomatic aliens given suffient volume of fire.

Would giving everyone a .50BMG weapon be a nice help? Of course it would but sadly we humans are quite limited in what we can handle as a general issue firearm which is why the general weight and felt recoil of our firearms haven't really changed hugely since the flintlock musket.

What would be more likely to induce a change in what weapons are used would be the armour materials available to any spacefaring aliens. After all we can already produce wearable armour that provides reasonable coverage against most practical small arms.


Frankly if they aren't protected by e-sapi equivalent armour then we could still kill quite the thing with sufficient volume of fire. I suppose you might see a proliferation of more belt/large box fed individual weapons and things like iron man packs to help generate said volume of fire.

I guess that riflemen toting guns chambered to .50BMG(those and those programmable grenade launchers) ought to be common in universe where gravity manipulation is common.
Granted mass reduction does not solve volume issues.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

why is this thread still going lel