Infantry Discussion Thread 10: Shovel Edition [NO FWORDS]

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

.276 Pedersen best round.


You'll never change my mind.

I can change how alive you are tho
.276 a shit
.280 a shit
All meme calibers a shit
5.56, 5.45, 7.62x51 and 7.62x54R a best

But what about 7mm Nirvashi Magnum?

TRUEMAGNUMPRESSURE^TM

[Puzikas]

I think I've asked this before in the days of yonder, but is simply issuing soldiers with flack jackets to protect them from shrapnel sufficient? This question is for both Padnak and a significantly more developed puppet; given that shrapnel is responsible for the bulk of battlefield deaths and flack jackets are considerable cheaper than bullet proof vests to produce, generally speaking anyways, would they worth issuing or is it better to, if troops are going to be incombered with protective equipment anyways, to make the jump up to proper bullet proof stuff?

Obviously keeping soldiers alive is a good thing, but for a military that has to outfit a very large number of troops or which lacks allot of money are flack jackets worth pursuing?

I could sperg for hours, days, weeks even on how body armorr and flak protection came about and why it is now and so on, just like Galla can, but I won't.

Vests for shrapnel are good enough protection, but they won't offer small arms protection. Then you'll notice an increase in casualties from small arms.

A shrapnel protective vest probably costs $1,000 or so. Plates will be another $2-300. Add in profit margins for another $100-200, maybe. So a total cost difference of maybe $1,100-$1,200 vs. $1,400-$1,500.

A little less
You can get a carrier and level IV vest right now for $550 shipped, in baby-shit brown, multi-meme, and #theselivesmatter.
Plus shipping.

How would the M1955 flak jacket fare in 1972?

They're probably past their use by date unfortunately.

I don't want to be rude but are you not contradicting yourself here?

No. Like I said, you need to swap out major components to make a rifle shoot different length cartridges.

I pointed out why it's not

You didn't. You just don't know what magazines were like.

Taper is what gives magazines for rimmed ammunition the more defined curve.
More properly it is that curve.

Like?

Shotgun shells are not the same as rifle cartridges.

Why is there a patent for it then?

Because they're the first to make a double stack saiga magazine.

even with different length bullets because the bullet length does not impact on the size or shape of the chamber, right?

No. If it's too long it will not chamber correctly or headspace correctly, and generate too much pressure. If it's too short, it won't be able to stabilize.

I can change how alive you are tho
.276 a shit
.280 a shit
All meme calibers a shit
5.56, 5.45, 7.62x51 and 7.62x54R a best

But what about 7mm Nirvashi Magnum?

TRUEMAGNUMPRESSURE^TM

I'll give you trumagnum girth.

[Gallia-]

RBA was expensive then ($748 GSA unit price in FY9X) but maybe that was because it was a small run.

Still gonna have Eternal Troika of RBA, PASGT/ISAPO, and Interceptor though. Forever. IIRC Galla calls them Shortstop, Linebacker, Fullback, and Goalkeeper, respectively.

I can't justify it in practical terms.

[Puzikas]

It's probably because the civilian and public safety aspect wasn't there yet
Since OIF theres been a huge increase in demand of super strength fibers like these, for more durable gear and for actual protection, so the cost has been driven down enormously
When I was in Russia it cost me a ton of money to get a set of Kevlar gloves from Germany
Now I can literally go to harbor freight and buy a pair for $10 that will hold up about as well

[Dostanuot Loj]

Sumerian Army issues something like RRVs to everyone.
Deployed and need armour? You get a soft vest to wear under your RRV.
Deployed into combat and need rifle plates? You get them issued and wear them in your RRV over your soft vest.

[Gallia-]

I imagine Galla has RBA for light infantry/airmobile troops, PASGT for mechanized troops, CVC Vest for cavalrymen, and Interceptor is theoretically for everyone but ends up only being issued to contingency troops for whatever reason despite being in full production, which means a couple separate brigades, one tank division, a strike division, and an airborne division.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

How expensive is it to make M1969 body armor and equip your entire army with it? I'm guessing it would be entirely possible, but I'm not sure how quickly new technology and equipment trickles into militaries.

Also: would it be a good idea to continue issuing the stalhelm until Kevlar helmets become widespread? I'm thinking using the M1 helmet would be the most obvious thing to do, but I don't want to blatantly copy everything about the 70s US military.

[Fordorsia]

No IDT bullet comparison :c

[Puzikas]

Dnieguan troops are all issued the Faldkorpespskydd m/04, which is a level II vest weighing 4.5 kilos, with inserts for two plates which brings weight to 10.5 kilos. The vest protects against projectiles weighing 2 grams moving at 450m/s, with the vest inserted it proofed against 7.62mm ball at 10m.

The heavier vest is literally the MTV

[Aethal]

Well, I unfucked my Westley-richards Explora projectile; this fucker's going into carbines and revolvers for maximum "keeping the uppity native down" reasons.

[Theodosiya]

Standard Army vest : IOTV
Standard Army helm : Gefechtshelm
Standard Army Camo : Flecktarn
Standard Marine vest : IMTV
Standard Marine helm : LWH
Standard Marine Camo : MARPAT
Republican Guard vest : Cage Armor Chassis and LVS
Republican Guard Helmet : Airframe
Republican Guard camo : Multicam
National Guard vest : 6B23 and 6B45
National Guard helm : Sfera and 6B27
National Guard camo : VSR and EMR

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

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OK. So for semi-automatic shotguns I should just have one shell length and simply have more air/filler for smaller loads, and for semi-automatic SMGs simply have a different barrel (and magazines?) for longer spitzer-bullet cartridges? This would be the most reliable solution?

[Puzikas]

What? No. Shotguns can chamber multiple length cartridges because their literally just tubes 18.55mm in diameter that headspace on the rim and operate at low pressure. A shotgun is like the most simple form of firearm. You can make any length shell work in them. Saigas and veprs do it just fine with 2.5in to 3in shells.

No, your submachine gun will not be able to chamber the cartridge if it is longer. Like I've been explaining, that is not how it works. Longer cartridges don't fit in the weapon. Just use spritzers, there's no reason to be using round noses for anything but pistols anymore, and pistols use truncated cones or round noses.

Easy solution: just keep to one cartridge with one length with minimal variation instead of one with a bunch of lengths.

[Laxaria and Sakria]

The current squad layout in the Ground Defense Forces:

• Squad CO
• Vehicle Crew
  
  • Driver
  • Gunner
  • Commander
• Alpha Team
  
  • Team Leader
  • GPMG Gunner
  • Gunner's Assistant
  • Grenadier
  • Grenadier's Assistant
• Bravo Team
  
  • Team Leader
  • GPMG Gunner
  • Gunner's Assistant
  • Grenadier
  • Grenadier's Assistant

Notes:

• Grenadier also carries a not-Charlie Golf (3" recoilless rifle), hence why I added a grenadier's assistant.

Is it too much firepower in a squad?

[Gallia-]

It's fine.

[Taihei Tengoku]

I'm not sure about having both Carl G and GPMG in both fireteams.

[Gallia-]

Oh I didn't see that.

Yeah that might be a bit too heavy.

[Aethal]

Oh I didn't see that.

Yeah that might be a bit too heavy.

Listen they'll lose Gallian Elan by ditching one of the weapons. Are you sure you want to do this?

[Gallia-]

Galla only has one 84mm and one GPMG in a squad.

[Aethal]

Galla only has one 84mm and one GPMG in a squad.

No, for maximum Elan, you need two GPMGs & two XM25s. You must do this to attain the ultimate autismpower.

[Gallia-]

[Taihei Tengoku]

Oh I didn't see that.

Yeah that might be a bit too heavy.

Listen they'll lose Gallian Elan by ditching one of the weapons. Are you sure you want to do this?

They'll lose Gallian elan when they run out of ammunition after like three shots. How will they win the meeting engagements of World War Five like this?

One FT should have GPMG and the other should have the Carl G with a machine rifle for escort.

[Gallia-]

Listen they'll lose Gallian Elan by ditching one of the weapons. Are you sure you want to do this?

They'll lose Gallian elan when they run out of ammunition after like three shots. How will they win the meeting engagements of World War Five like this?

One FT should have GPMG and the other should have the Carl G with a machine rifle for escort.

One should have the GPMG and 84mm.

The other should have five dudes with 40mms and RPKs.

Platoon should have 60mm. Company has 3 60mms. Battalion has a arbitrary quantity of tubes in a reasonable caliber. All mortars forever.

[Aethal]

Mortars for the Mortar Throne.

[Laxaria and Sakria]

So, what's the verdict?

To modify, or not to modify?

BTW wat is Gallan Elan