Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[Celery AKA Celibrae]

Well, then. When the time for my Mig-29K and Su-33 came, what should replace them?

In an ideal world, the F-35.

[Theodosiya]

Sadly, the world isn't. And the JSF are a bit too much of compromise. I aim for something that in league of F-15, F-18 or F-14.

[Allanea]

You do realized that MiG-29K was introduced in 2010, four years after the last F-14 has been retired?

[Gallia-]

That says more about MiG-29 than F-14 tbh.

[The Akasha Colony]

Sadly, the world isn't. And the JSF are a bit too much of compromise. I aim for something that in league of F-15, F-18 or F-14.

The most modern fighter of the bunch is "too much of a compromise."

Cool story.

Seeing as how there are no IRL new heavy naval fighters on the horizon that aren't rehashes of existing ones, you're up a creek if you won't take F-35.

[Austrasien]

There are not exactly many modern carrier fighters.

In fact there are four.

1. Super Hornet
2. Mig-29K
3. F-35C
4. Rafale

Note that none of them are heavy fighters.

[New Oyashima]

F4D Skyray.

[Chinevion]

who wants to see the finished oceana

[Theodosiya]

Sup Hor or Rafale?

[The Akasha Colony]

Sup Hor or Rafale?

You literally said you wanted something "in league of F-15, F-18 or F-14."

I think the question should answer itself.

[New Oyashima]

What kind of AShMs could I place on a Murasame-class hull without running into weight issues?

(1958)

Also was the HIVA Essex catapult designed for emergency take off procedures when the deck was put out of action?

[Laritaia]

What kind of AShMs could I place on a Murasame-class hull without running into weight issues?

(1958)

Also was the HIVA Essex catapult designed for emergency take off procedures when the deck was put out of action?

when would you be looking to add these AShMs?

[North Arkana]

With all the mild orgasming by tankies over Soviet anti-ship missiles, I ended up missing that Harpoon actually has a big warhead and a range of several hundred kilometers.

[Allanea]

That says more about MiG-29 than F-14 tbh.

The point is that when MiG-29K ages out (this will be in, say, 2040), the F-14 will be incredibly old by any reasonable standard.

[New Oyashima]

What kind of AShMs could I place on a Murasame-class hull without running into weight issues?

(1958)

Also was the HIVA Essex catapult designed for emergency take off procedures when the deck was put out of action?

when would you be looking to add these AShMs?

Small modern ones. I don't intend for them to be lol!mega-ship-killers, just something guided to deal with small craft. Even a cruise missile would be fine.

[Taihei Tengoku]

when would you be looking to add these AShMs?

Small modern ones. I don't intend for them to be lol!mega-ship-killers, just something guided to deal with small craft. Even a cruise missile would be fine.

Gabriel and Penguin

[New Oyashima]

What about the Naval Strike Missile?

[Taihei Tengoku]

What about the Naval Strike Missile?

I guess they'd work if you still had those hulls in the 2010s

[New Oyashima]

What about the Naval Strike Missile?

I guess they'd work if you still had those hulls in the 2010s

You bet your fucking ass I do.

[Gallia-]

That says more about MiG-29 than F-14 tbh.

The point is that when MiG-29K ages out (this will be in, say, 2040), the F-14 will be incredibly old by any reasonable standard.

So what? If you make MiG-29K and call it "modern", you can make F-14E and call it "modern". They're both old, but F-14 has bigger avionics bays and can carry larger missiles. The USN just did the sensible thing and threw away a 1970s trash plane because they want to get something actually new in the form of a VLO light fighter aka F-35C. You don't have to do that on NS, as evidenced by people seriously considering Super Hornets and MiG-29Ks far into the 21st century as frontline fighters for their fictional navies, but it's a more future oriented decision than re-manufacturing the best aeronautics technology of 1980.

The only real mystery here is "why isn't there a navalized PAK FA?" TBH, and that probably sounds something like "because India doesn't want it" I suppose.

If you want a modern naval heavy fighter, a naval PAK FA would be the place to start. A serious buyer for even a few dozen of Naval PAK FAs would probably spur the Russians to cook something up. It only took India 45 MiG-29Ks to get Mikoyan's motor running. That is unless you wind back the clock and give America NATFs or A/FX, but of course those probably wouldn't be offered for export anyway, at least not NATF.

I guess they'd work if you still had those hulls in the 2010s

You bet your fucking ass I do.

But the rust.

[Allanea]

The only real mystery here is "why isn't there a navalized PAK FA?" TBH, and that probably sounds something like "because India doesn't want it" I suppose.

If you want a modern naval heavy fighter, a naval PAK FA would be the place to start. A serious buyer for even a few dozen of Naval PAK FAs would probably spur the Russians to cook something up. It only took India 45 MiG-29Ks to get Mikoyan's motor running. That is unless you wind back the clock and give America NATFs or A/FX, but of course those probably wouldn't be offered for export anyway, at least not NATF.

Naval PAK FA is supposedly in developement, or at least it was in 2014

[New Oyashima]

In the dark futur, there is no rustingz.

[Gallia-]

The only real mystery here is "why isn't there a navalized PAK FA?" TBH, and that probably sounds something like "because India doesn't want it" I suppose.

If you want a modern naval heavy fighter, a naval PAK FA would be the place to start. A serious buyer for even a few dozen of Naval PAK FAs would probably spur the Russians to cook something up. It only took India 45 MiG-29Ks to get Mikoyan's motor running. That is unless you wind back the clock and give America NATFs or A/FX, but of course those probably wouldn't be offered for export anyway, at least not NATF.

Naval PAK FA is supposedly in developement, or at least it was in 2014

Yeah, but the entire Russian military, sans the Army, seems to wait on foreign customers.

And since India never ordered any naval PAK FAs. Well, RIP Russia's best naval fighter.

[Celery AKA Celibrae]

Russia's budget is also worth about two-three times less than what it was in 2014.

[Palmyrion]

Can a conveniently-sized destroyer serve as a mothership for USVs and USubVs, launching them from its transom garage, while being able to carry 128 VLS cells (64 fore, 64 aft) and a 127/64 DP gun?