Creating Your Own Everything VI [No Advertising]

[Elektrograd]

Don't bother with JG, franscale or FD. Go 1 pixel : 1 cm like a real man.

[Grofheim]

Well, franscale for me is in that weird place where you can get a lot more detail because it's larger but it's also too small to fit in anything smaller than, like, a grenade or whatever, without it just turning into a mess of black lines. Whereas with JG I worry less about high detail due to it's size and mostly just use it due to it's ease.

Drawing at smaller scales gets a lot easier if you move away from black outlines for every single thing.

That's pretty good advice, thanks.

Don't bother with JG, franscale or FD. Go 1 pixel : 1 cm like a real man.

It feels like there's a gap somewhere between 1.5px:1cm and 1px:1cm where it starts requiring you to have actual art skills and stuff (EDIT: not to say that the artists here don't clearly have that, the stuff I see here is amazing, it's just that JG and Franscale seem to have a lower bar of entry)

[The Akasha Colony]

It feels like there's a gap somewhere between 1.5px:1cm and 1px:1cm where it starts requiring you to have actual art skills and stuff (EDIT: not to say that the artists here don't clearly have that, the stuff I see here is amazing, it's just that JG and Franscale seem to have a lower bar of entry)

It's a gap for a reason though, as I don't know of anyone who uses a consistent scale between those sizes. I occasionally use very awkward scales for aircraft line drawings but the vast bulk of my drawings are 1px:1cm or a multiple of this (ships are generally 1px:10cm).

There's no reason you can't use an intermediate scale, you'd just be pretty much on your own since there aren't any templates or community support for such a scale, which may or may not matter to you.

[The Soodean Imperium]

While this doesn't answer the specific question, if we're talking about weird intermediate scales, I recently stumbled across Shipbucket's 1m:250px and found it helpful. Not as demanding as Gunbucket, but still appreciably more detail than 1px:1cm.

[Torrocca]

An M2A4 Light Tank and mounted US infantrymen for an alt-history 1930s USA I'm creating c:

[Veikaia]

While this doesn't answer the specific question, if we're talking about weird intermediate scales, I recently stumbled across Shipbucket's 1m:250px and found it helpful. Not as demanding as Gunbucket, but still appreciably more detail than 1px:1cm.

This is actually a really interesting scale, I'm garbage at drawings things in larger scales so this really helps me draw guns that dont look too awful.



My first attempt at it, I'll probably add more attachments later

[Weimarer Reich]

Some more early 50s/late 40s guff. Reason Glorfindel is included is because I used a 100mm rocket he made as a reference for scale since nobody made a 10cm PaW 1000 design on SB.

[Purpelia]

A long 10cm on a Panzer IV is a good way to rip the turret off.

[Weimarer Reich]

A long 10cm on a Panzer IV is a good way to rip the turret off.

It's a funky high-pressure low-pressure system, it's shells are also lighter than the KwK 40's funnily enough.

[Purpelia]

A long 10cm on a Panzer IV is a good way to rip the turret off.

It's a funky high-pressure low-pressure system, it's shells are also lighter than the KwK 40's funnily enough.

So what exactly is its use?

[Weimarer Reich]

It's a funky high-pressure low-pressure system, it's shells are also lighter than the KwK 40's funnily enough.

So what exactly is its use?

Panzer IV goes back to square one as an infantry support tank. Needed to do something with all the spares. PaW 1000 works like a hybrid AT-gun-mortar abomination.

[Purpelia]

So what exactly is its use?

Panzer IV goes back to square one as an infantry support tank. Needed to do something with all the spares.

And again, what exactly is the use of that gun? What is it that it does better than a standard KwK 40?
- It's lighter shell means it has less HE inside making it worse for blowing things up to support infantry.
- Less explosive also means its HEAT shell is worse for anti tank work.
- Less velocity means its less accurate, has a shorter range and can't punch through tanks kinetically either.

So what exactly is the point over just going with the standard KwK40 or maybe something like a short 10cm howitzer like was done with the Sherman howitzer variants or indeed what was done with the Stug III (SStuH 42)?

[Weimarer Reich]

Panzer IV goes back to square one as an infantry support tank. Needed to do something with all the spares.

And again, what exactly is the use of that gun? What is it that it does better than a standard KwK 40?
- It's lighter shell means it has less HE inside making it worse for blowing things up to support infantry.
- Less explosive also means its HEAT shell is worse for anti tank work.
- Less velocity means its less accurate, has a shorter range and can't punch through tanks kinetically either.

So what exactly is the point over just going with the standard KwK40 or maybe something like a short 10cm howitzer like was done with the Sherman howitzer variants?

For one, it's effective range is ~1000 meters with 200mm of penetration with HEAT (AKA average tank combat range) with HE having a much longer effective range. It's also capable of firing a larger variety of shells such as incendiary, gas and smoke to better support infantry. Plus the HEAT is actually barely lighter than the L/48's HEAT shell (before I mean it was significantly lighter than the Pzgr 39) and is actually heavier than the Sprgr.Patr.34 of the L/48.

[Purpelia]

For one, it's effective range is ~1000 meters with 200mm of penetration with HEAT (AKA average tank combat range) with HE having a much longer effective range.

That sounds dubious to me. Where are you getting these numbers from?

It's also capable of firing a larger variety of shells such as incendiary, gas and smoke to better support infantry.

So can a regular gun.

Plus the HEAT is actually barely lighter than the L/48's HEAT shell (before I mean it was significantly lighter than the Pzgr 39) and is actually heavier than the Sprgr.Patr.34 of the L/48.

That makes more sense now. As in it's going to be roughly as effective as those than. I still don't see the benefit though. I mean you are using a larger heavier gun and larger bulkier shells. And you are paying to have these things built and added to your tanks. There has to be some increase in effectiveness to justify that.

[Weimarer Reich]

For one, it's effective range is ~1000 meters with 200mm of penetration with HEAT (AKA average tank combat range) with HE having a much longer effective range.

That sounds dubious to me. Where are you getting these numbers from?

It's also capable of firing a larger variety of shells such as incendiary, gas and smoke to better support infantry.

So can a regular gun.

Plus the HEAT is actually barely lighter than the L/48's HEAT shell (before I mean it was significantly lighter than the Pzgr 39) and is actually heavier than the Sprgr.Patr.34 of the L/48.

That makes more sense now. As in it's going to be roughly as effective as those than. I still don't see the benefit though. I mean you are using a larger heavier gun and larger bulkier shells. And you are paying to have these things built and added to your tanks. There has to be some increase in effectiveness to justify that.

Gun doesn't have a lot of info on it. Also I made an error, HEAT range was closer to 750ish meters. Main reason I didn't go for a gun is that Germany didn't really mount any big guns in turrets outside the Sturmpanther designs and the Heuschrecke 10 (which was a weird thing on it's own) so I didn't want to look silly slapping a leFH 18 in a IV turret. As for HE range I went with the HE range being shorter than the thing it's based on, the 10cm Nebelwerfer 35, though longer than the KwK 40's HE range.
Essentially the idea is making it a weird assault gun that can reasonably engage tanks but have better anti-infantry performance in a support role.

Also I came up with the idea at 1 am so maybe I didn't think it through as much as I should have

[Purpelia]

Gun doesn't have a lot of info on it. Also I made an error, HEAT range was closer to 750ish meters. Main reason I didn't go for a gun is that Germany didn't really mount any big guns in turrets outside the Sturmpanther designs and the Heuschrecke 10 (which was a weird thing on it's own) so I didn't want to look silly slapping a leFH 18 in a IV turret. As for HE range I went with the HE range being shorter than the thing it's based on, the 10cm Nebelwerfer 35, though longer than the KwK 40's HE range.

It's a doctrinal thing really. There is no good reason why you couldn't have a Panzer IV with a 10.5 in the turret other than the fact that it's largely unnecessary. There are very few situations where 7.5cm of HE will not do the job. And in those you typically need something much bigger like an ISU-152 or Sturmtiger.

Also I came up with the idea at 1 am so maybe I didn't think it through as much as I should have

Don't take me wrong I am not saying don't do it. It is a cool idea overall and it is definitively plausible in character for a Nazi Germany themed nation to come up with something like that. I just personally don't see much of a point. But it's not like that ever stopped them in real life. So go for it.

I just found it interesting to have a discussion on the subject on account of the interesting idea.

[Weimarer Reich]

Gun doesn't have a lot of info on it. Also I made an error, HEAT range was closer to 750ish meters. Main reason I didn't go for a gun is that Germany didn't really mount any big guns in turrets outside the Sturmpanther designs and the Heuschrecke 10 (which was a weird thing on it's own) so I didn't want to look silly slapping a leFH 18 in a IV turret. As for HE range I went with the HE range being shorter than the thing it's based on, the 10cm Nebelwerfer 35, though longer than the KwK 40's HE range.

It's a doctrinal thing really. There is no good reason why you couldn't have a Panzer IV with a 10.5 in the turret other than the fact that it's largely unnecessary. There are very few situations where 7.5cm of HE will not do the job. And in those you typically need something much bigger like an ISU-152 or Sturmtiger.

Also I came up with the idea at 1 am so maybe I didn't think it through as much as I should have

Don't take me wrong I am not saying don't do it. It is a cool idea overall and it is definitively plausible in character for a Nazi Germany themed nation to come up with something like that. I just personally don't see much of a point. But it's not like that ever stopped them in real life. So go for it.

I just found it interesting to have a discussion on the subject on account of the interesting idea.

Yeah, I can always fall back on the fact this Republic of Germany never quite dropped the Nazi way of military design entirely.
Also late response as I had an essay to finish. because I wasted time drawing tanks

[Purpelia]

Yeah, I can always fall back on the fact this Republic of Germany never quite dropped the Nazi way of military design entirely.
Also late response as I had an essay to finish. because I wasted time drawing tanks

Fun fact. I have more than once heard Ferdinand Porsche being referred to as the Nazi mad scientist. And looking at his work the description is not too far off.

[Husseinarti]

in 1980 france realized that 1927 was right all along

[New Korongo]

[Veikaia]

Lately I've been pumping a lot of random things in my free time (Which has been a lot, except for some weekends where I do shit with my buds). Guns, Money Bills, Logos, some Enlisted Army Ranks. I could just dump it all but I feel that'd be a waste of time.

Main thing is, tho, I've been working with Weaponbucket and it's really fun and easy to get into. I expanded my main Bullpup AR a bit and I feel like the scale really helps me not be too shit at drawing.



Also did a Pistol, a SMG and a Sniper Rifle. I'd post technical details but I'm both lazy and haven't really thought of any details beyond the basics and I think technical stuff would fit better on the Infantry Thread.

I'd appreciate any commentary and criticism if it looks like shit in how to fix it, it's my first time dabbling on Weaponscale and I'm probably making mistakes.

[-AlEmAnNiA-]

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phenomenal

[The Corparation]

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They're adorable

[Gallia-]

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Gud.

Lately I've been pumping a lot of random things in my free time (Which has been a lot, except for some weekends where I do shit with my buds). Guns, Money Bills, Logos, some Enlisted Army Ranks. I could just dump it all but I feel that'd be a waste of time.

Main thing is, tho, I've been working with Weaponbucket and it's really fun and easy to get into. I expanded my main Bullpup AR a bit and I feel like the scale really helps me not be too shit at drawing.

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Also did a Pistol, a SMG and a Sniper Rifle. I'd post technical details but I'm both lazy and haven't really thought of any details beyond the basics and I think technical stuff would fit better on the Infantry Thread.

I'd appreciate any commentary and criticism if it looks like shit in how to fix it, it's my first time dabbling on Weaponscale and I'm probably making mistakes.

You should experiment with eliminating hard lines or something.

[Elektrograd]

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