NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space

[Husseinarti]

nuke the earth and get rid of all the water.

[Gondolaulus]

Ok, I'll probably do that then, and have my mobilized troops more resemble 1950s Soviet squads with AKMs (unmodernized, no folding stock), and RPD\PD's for fire support. That way, if I had to rearm my Internal Troops\3rd Line Troops they wouldn't have to take too much of a downgrade in terms of weaponry. I'm less worried about running out of ammo, that's fairly easy to produce, even if it's low quality, and I always have Russia to supply me if needed.

Speaking of mobilization in wartime: what kind of trucks that are common in Russia could be easily conscripted in during wartime? Are Ural 357s and Zil-131s/-157s still common or would the models be used.

Also, for further clarification I RP the MT era, but my tech level is about the same militarily as it was under the Soviet Union in 1990, as we are meant to be in a Ukraine like position where we haven't invested much in the military and are somewhat poor (but getting richer).

You could see the war in Ukraine as a kind of ''what if the USSR would mobilize during the cold war''.

Civilian vehicles are mobilized too. When SHTF every necessary equipment will get used and drafted. You'll see civilian autobusses transport soldiers to the frontline etc.

Heck, my dad used to tell me they were sent to Germany for peace time missions with civilians intermixed because of the lack of transportation vehicles.

[Prosorusiya]

So something along the lines of "organized chaos" then? No wonder NATO said it would take 2 months to mobilize my 25% ready divisions... fortunately their jobs will mostly be to sit in defensive positions, like trenches and bunkers, up in the mountains and try and hold off Turkish (or other nations, but Turkey is the one we consider the main threat) attacks. The engagement ranges go up in Mountain warfare, right? I think I ready something about that as a reason why Afghans liked SMLE's over AKs... though perhaps avaliblity had more to do with that than anything else.

[Gallia-]

nuke the earth and get rid of all the water.

The oceans would absorb the entire atomic arsenals of the planet without care.

[Gondolaulus]

So something along the lines of "organized chaos" then? No wonder NATO said it would take 2 months to mobilize my 25% ready divisions... fortunately their jobs will mostly be to sit in defensive positions, like trenches and bunkers, up in the mountains and try and hold off Turkish (or other nations, but Turkey is the one we consider the main threat) attacks. The engagement ranges go up in Mountain warfare, right? I think I ready something about that as a reason why Afghans liked SMLE's over AKs... though perhaps avaliblity had more to do with that than anything else.

Mostly limited to mountain passes.

Afghan mujahiddeens had little access to weaponry in the beginning and mid stages of the war. Later war stages were fun for the Afghans.

[Prosorusiya]

I thought that would be the case, since Afghanistan is not exactly the richest country in the world and of course guerillas really in a war are usually poorly equipped.

Ok, so this is my break down of my overall millitary strategy, at least on the Army side of the equation:

1. War declared, probably against a neighbor to the south like Turkey. The Army's two divisions, as they exist in a 25% state of readiness, would send to the field all combat capable units, even if they are understrength, to seize mountain passes and take up defensive positions. Tanks, IFVs, APCs, and Military owned trucks would move forward, with men equipped with AK-74s, RPK-74s, RPG-7s, and PKMs.
2. Second line troops would be mobilized to fill out these units to full strength once they have taken up positions. Civilian trucks of millitary spec (Arm surplus) and troop trains move personelle forward. Second line troops armed with AKMs, RPKs, RPG-7s, and PKMs taken from Internal Troops.
3. Third line troops\Internal Troops mobilized to replace losses, moved by whatever civil vehicles available, armed with AKM or PPSh-41(?), RPDs, and DPs.

Stage one should occur ASAP, maybe within a week or so. Stage two would take two months, and might happen almost simultaneously with stage three.

Thoughts?

[Allanea]

Missile? Missile.

[Taihei Tengoku]

I thought that would be the case, since Afghanistan is not exactly the richest country in the world and of course guerillas really in a war are usually poorly equipped.

Ok, so this is my break down of my overall millitary strategy, at least on the Army side of the equation:

1. War declared, probably against a neighbor to the south like Turkey. The Army's two divisions, as they exist in a 25% state of readiness, would send to the field all combat capable units, even if they are understrength, to seize mountain passes and take up defensive positions. Tanks, IFVs, APCs, and Military owned trucks would move forward, with men equipped with AK-74s, RPK-74s, RPG-7s, and PKMs.
2. Second line troops would be mobilized to fill out these units to full strength once they have taken up positions. Civilian trucks of millitary spec (Arm surplus) and troop trains move personelle forward. Second line troops armed with AKMs, RPKs, RPG-7s, and PKMs taken from Internal Troops.
3. Third line troops\Internal Troops mobilized to replace losses, moved by whatever civil vehicles available, armed with AKM or PPSh-41(?), RPDs, and DPs.

Stage one should occur ASAP, maybe within a week or so. Stage two would take two months, and might happen almost simultaneously with stage three.

Thoughts?

It's probably worth keeping the "ready" forces all together in a brigade and having cadre units form in the rear. Small arms are w/e, AK-74 and PKM are ubiquitous enough that you could make the older guns into razor blades and not feel it

[Padnak]

You could see the war in Ukraine as a kind of ''what if the USSR would mobilize during the cold war''.

Civilian vehicles are mobilized too. When SHTF every necessary equipment will get used and drafted. You'll see civilian autobusses transport soldiers to the frontline etc.

Heck, my dad used to tell me they were sent to Germany for peace time missions with civilians intermixed because of the lack of transportation vehicles.

I think the fact that the Ukraine is effectively a third world country also played a role in how much civilian transportation was intermixed into their war machine; the soviet union and its satellites, from my understanding, were almost totally mechanized and possessed vast stockpiles of reserve equipment from which to draw from before having to resort to civilian transportation. Were you'd most likely see civilian vehicles used would be in the logistics side of the war where there is less need for the capabilities possessed by military transportation. You can also add into that mix stuff like aeroflot which was effectivly just a reserve transportation air force for the VTA

[Husseinarti]

You could see the war in Ukraine as a kind of ''what if the USSR would mobilize during the cold war''.

Ukraine more or less totally threw out the concept of fighting a war ever again. If anything, Ukraine is an example of peace through arms. The Ukrainians just totally gave up their equipment and arms manufacturing industries which were more or less very well developed in the Soviet era.

The Ukrainians more or less threw all their gear into open-air storage yards and just forgot about it until suddenly the big scary dude next door wanted to test the water. Now, you have T-64s and BMP-1s that haven't seen any kind of real overhaul or hell even a good check up since Yuri managed to sell some BMP-1s to a third-world nation in 2004~.

The Soviets, like the Americans, had huge stocks of prepositioned equipment stored around their nation, from open air yards to real enclosed storage facilities, these areas would be were newly formed formations would get their gear, the secondary and third-line Soviet divisions would recall former and draft new conscripts into service, combining that with a professional cadre of officers and NCOs.

As stated before, the Soviets had a fuck-huge massive amount of vehicles like BTRs and BMPs sitting in storage for the explicit purpose of the day when they would get their turn to run over the pretty fields of Germany like their fathers did in '45. The Russians don't like to throw away stuff, they are the thriftiest fuckers ever.

Civilian vehicles are mobilized too. When SHTF every necessary equipment will get used and drafted. You'll see civilian autobusses transport soldiers to the frontline etc.

More or less this will happen anywhere and everywhere. US troops in Panama 're-purposed' a few vehicles, even getting a fruit truck and mounting an M2 on a tripod on the front of it.

[Laxaria and Sakria]

I've been thinking of scaling down the Vikhr's guidance system for use in man-portable ATGMs. Is it possible to do so?

[Austrasien]

I've been thinking of scaling down the Vikhr's guidance system for use in man-portable ATGMs. Is it possible to do so?

Still a bad idea.

[Laxaria and Sakria]

I've been thinking of scaling down the Vikhr's guidance system for use in man-portable ATGMs. Is it possible to do so?

Still a bad idea.

But why?

[Austrasien]

• Missile weighs over a hundred pounds
• Ten feet long
• Not actually able to penetrate most tanks head on

There is no reason to want this.

[The Akasha Colony]

I've been thinking of scaling down the Vikhr's guidance system for use in man-portable ATGMs. Is it possible to do so?

It's a very poor choice compared to other systems, namely Javelin and Spike's onboard IR seekers.

Vikhr is a laser beam riding missile which means the firing platform needs to have an onboard laser and be able to continuously track the target, making the operator as vulnerable and exposed as legacy systems like TOW. It also means its accuracy is very heavily dependent on the operator's own skill unless you bring over the full automatic target tracking system which would make the system large and heavy.

Just buy Javelin.

[Laxaria and Sakria]

I've been thinking of scaling down the Vikhr's guidance system for use in man-portable ATGMs. Is it possible to do so?

It's a very poor choice compared to other systems, namely Javelin and Spike's onboard IR seekers.

Vikhr is a laser beam riding missile which means the firing platform needs to have an onboard laser and be able to continuously track the target, making the operator as vulnerable and exposed as legacy systems like TOW. It also means its accuracy is very heavily dependent on the operator's own skill unless you bring over the full automatic target tracking system which would make the system large and heavy.

Just buy Javelin.

Always the option I end up with. It can blast open rooms turned into MG posts, right?

[Allanea]

http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/ ... ry40000145

It's coming together.

[Laxaria and Sakria]

http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=11948&st=0#entry40000145

It's coming together.

I A I
J U M P E R

[The Akasha Colony]

It's a very poor choice compared to other systems, namely Javelin and Spike's onboard IR seekers.

Vikhr is a laser beam riding missile which means the firing platform needs to have an onboard laser and be able to continuously track the target, making the operator as vulnerable and exposed as legacy systems like TOW. It also means its accuracy is very heavily dependent on the operator's own skill unless you bring over the full automatic target tracking system which would make the system large and heavy.

Just buy Javelin.

Always the option I end up with. It can blast open rooms turned into MG posts, right?

It's been used to take out MG positions in the Middle East, yes.

[Lamoni]

http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=11948&st=0#entry40000145

It's coming together.

I A I
J U M P E R

Allanea is using that as part of his inspiration, yes. There are other similar systems IRL, as well.

[Austrasien]

Always the option I end up with. It can blast open rooms turned into MG posts, right?

The Kornet is already a man portable beam rider with a bigger warhead.

[Scandinavian Nations]

The oceans would absorb the entire atomic arsenals of the planet without care.

Depends on where you spread the warheads. Properly positioned nuclear blasts could cause grave damage to the barrier reef and deplete the planet's fish stocks, or what still remains of them, for decades.

[Prosorusiya]

I thought that would be the case, since Afghanistan is not exactly the richest country in the world and of course guerillas really in a war are usually poorly equipped.

Ok, so this is my break down of my overall millitary strategy, at least on the Army side of the equation:

1. War declared, probably against a neighbor to the south like Turkey. The Army's two divisions, as they exist in a 25% state of readiness, would send to the field all combat capable units, even if they are understrength, to seize mountain passes and take up defensive positions. Tanks, IFVs, APCs, and Military owned trucks would move forward, with men equipped with AK-74s, RPK-74s, RPG-7s, and PKMs.
2. Second line troops would be mobilized to fill out these units to full strength once they have taken up positions. Civilian trucks of millitary spec (Arm surplus) and troop trains move personelle forward. Second line troops armed with AKMs, RPKs, RPG-7s, and PKMs taken from Internal Troops.
3. Third line troops\Internal Troops mobilized to replace losses, moved by whatever civil vehicles available, armed with AKM or PPSh-41(?), RPDs, and DPs.

Stage one should occur ASAP, maybe within a week or so. Stage two would take two months, and might happen almost simultaneously with stage three.

Thoughts?

It's probably worth keeping the "ready" forces all together in a brigade and having cadre units form in the rear. Small arms are w/e, AK-74 and PKM are ubiquitous enough that you could make the older guns into razor blades and not feel it

Ok... I might retain some of the AKMs in deep storage, but maybe the WW2 era guns will go out the window. The structure of my nation's forces are weird because i am essentially maintaining things as they were in the old USSR, so my units are actually all cardes units, since back then the front line\southern border was in Georgia and Azerbaijan. I might reorganize into a brigade or something though if things come to war. I'd probably still have to mobilize some civilian trucks ect. b\c being ex-second\thord line Soviets units my units lack a lot of the equipment they would have if they were full strength, esp. in the way of APCs.

This manual has a section on mountain warfare in the Soviet doctrine, according to the US Army. The consensus seemed to be that the defensive units would mainly be motorized rifle regiments, split into individual subunits stationed at strong points, with tank units held in reserve for counter attack. They also tress the need for lighter support weapons, esp. mortars, and the necessity of helicopters for result, transport, and fire support.

This manual, aside from many other useful things, mentions the the Mot. Rifles would be the centre piece for any Soviet defense, and also hints at the defense in depths detailed in more detail previously on this thread. So likely, my motorized rifle units would be first on the scene, along with some of the lighter artillery. Tank units, MRLS, and SPGs would probably be held in reserve too, probably near the front though but probably second to arrive. Idk what this would mean in terms of mobilization, only that with unstreght units being deployed at invidiual strong points is not a bad idea since it saves on defending a contiguous line. I intend to mobilize in such a way that units will be brought up to strength by simply having new recruits would be forwarded directly to parent units, allowing me to deploy the most experienced and already active elements of units as soon a possible so as to take up defensive positions as soon as possible.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

http://z4.invisionfree.invalid.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?showtopic=11948&st=0#entry40000145

It's coming together.

your plain old shipping container will apparently resist 9mm FMJ from close range

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[DnalweN acilbupeR]

It's probably worth keeping the "ready" forces all together in a brigade and having cadre units form in the rear. Small arms are w/e, AK-74 and PKM are ubiquitous enough that you could make the older guns into razor blades and not feel it

Ok... I might retain some of the AKMs in deep storage, but maybe the WW2 era guns will go out the window. The structure of my nation's forces are weird because i am essentially maintaining things as they were in the old USSR, so my units are actually all cardes units, since back then the front line\southern border was in Georgia and Azerbaijan. I might reorganize into a brigade or something though if things come to war. I'd probably still have to mobilize some civilian trucks ect. b\c being ex-second\thord line Soviets units my units lack a lot of the equipment they would have if they were full strength, esp. in the way of APCs.

This manual has a section on mountain warfare in the Soviet doctrine, according to the US Army. The consensus seemed to be that the defensive units would mainly be motorized rifle regiments, split into individual subunits stationed at strong points, with tank units held in reserve for counter attack. They also tress the need for lighter support weapons, esp. mortars, and the necessity of helicopters for result, transport, and fire support.

This manual, aside from many other useful things, mentions the the Mot. Rifles would be the centre piece for any Soviet defense, and also hints at the defense in depths detailed in more detail previously on this thread. So likely, my motorized rifle units would be first on the scene, along with some of the lighter artillery. Tank units, MRLS, and SPGs would probably be held in reserve too, probably near the front though but probably second to arrive. Idk what this would mean in terms of mobilization, only that with unstreght units being deployed at invidiual strong points is not a bad idea since it saves on defending a contiguous line. I intend to mobilize in such a way that units will be brought up to strength by simply having new recruits would be forwarded directly to parent units, allowing me to deploy the most experienced and already active elements of units as soon a possible so as to take up defensive positions as soon as possible.

well make sure you dont spread them too thin to where they wont stand a chance if the enemy reaches them before they get reinforcements.

if the enemy simply bypasses these defenses and pushes on and you already have troops coming it's A-OK because the defensive forces can now cut off the invaders and maybe even assault them from the rear while your main body of troops does the brunt of holding them back