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Postby Themiclesia » Sat Sep 26, 2015 8:52 am

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army_uniform

At least a dozen? Roger that. :)

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How do you guys make your ORBAT's and chart structures for your military organization?
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Postby Sediczja » Sat Sep 26, 2015 9:46 am

Palakistan wrote:How do you guys make your ORBAT's and chart structures for your military organization?
Mostly in a preferred image editing program. I guess a spreadsheet program like Excel or Calc could work, too.
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Postby Laywenrania » Sat Sep 26, 2015 10:44 am

Palakistan wrote:How do you guys make your ORBAT's and chart structures for your military organization?

Word has this "SmartArt" stuff or something like this, although I failed horribly in making an own decent ORBAT art.

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You do understand that there is no need to post in order to bookmark or subscribe to a thread, right? Which is why tag posts are now technically considered spam by mods.
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New Oyashima wrote:No picture on front? Worst thread.


I reckon we should devote a page to images...
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Postby Chinese Peoples » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:11 pm

I feel obliged to share a RL fact.

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This image, which depicts the riot police of the Republic of China (Taiwan), is often cited as an example where policemen use masks to conceal their identities, perhaps during the commission of atrocities. That is purely a misconception as their names would be visible on arm patches. If I recall correctly, the masks were added after an incident in the early 2000s when rioters pelted vials of highly corrosive acid solutions at policemen, causing severe and disfiguring burns.

And yes, while the ugly masks make them look like horror movie characters, they are effective in stopping the acid attacks.
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Postby Palakistan » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:12 pm

Chinese Peoples wrote:I feel obliged to share a RL fact.

(Image)

This image, which depicts the riot police of the Republic of China (Taiwan), is often cited as an example where policemen use masks to conceal their identities, perhaps during the commission of atrocities. That is purely a misconception as their names would be visible on arm patches. If I recall correctly, the masks were added after an incident in the early 2000s when rioters pelted vials of highly corrosive acid solutions at policemen, causing severe and disfiguring burns.

It's also scary looking.
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Palakistan wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:I feel obliged to share a RL fact.

(Image)

This image, which depicts the riot police of the Republic of China (Taiwan), is often cited as an example where policemen use masks to conceal their identities, perhaps during the commission of atrocities. That is purely a misconception as their names would be visible on arm patches. If I recall correctly, the masks were added after an incident in the early 2000s when rioters pelted vials of highly corrosive acid solutions at policemen, causing severe and disfiguring burns.

It's also scary looking.

I'd say cheap looking (since the government wanted the cheapest everything), but if you think it's scary then I'm not one to dispute.
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Postby The Corparation » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:15 pm

Chinese Peoples wrote:I feel obliged to share a RL fact.

(Image)

This image, which depicts the riot police of the Republic of China (Taiwan), is often cited as an example where policemen use masks to conceal their identities, perhaps during the commission of atrocities. That is purely a misconception as their names would be visible on arm patches. If I recall correctly, the masks were added after an incident in the early 2000s when rioters pelted vials of highly corrosive acid solutions at policemen, causing severe and disfiguring burns.

And yes, while the ugly masks make them look like horror movie characters, they are effective in stopping the acid attacks.

Such lame masks. They don't even have a super fugly tacky skull face painted on them.
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Postby North Arkana » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:27 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:A technical is a cheap, versatile, easily disguised platform for irregulars. It can mount heavy weapons from HMGs, light autocannons, mortars, recoilless rifles and ATGMs. It will always suffer from poor protection and will be less effective than a dedicated military jeep.

Your police are (usually) a civil service. They would try and maintain order in the civil populace and at best do their jobs. As civil employees of the government, they would probably surrender in event of invasion. They might be left to do their jobs, but it's unlikely if it's a routinely armed unit. Police commanders might be expected by an invader to collaborate.

No helicopter will reasonably carry "tanks", by which I mean MBTs. Few helicopters will carry scout tanks like Scorpion. Most heavy lift helicopters could carry a tankette like the Weisel, but would be better used to carry just troops, or possibly an artillery piece, jeep or light truck.
Civil evacuations would probably be done by military helicopter, diverting logistical units, and seizure of civil assets like buses, coaches and the like, as well as military trucks again probably diverted from logistical units.

A tank is forty, fifty, sixty tonnes of steel. Think of them as ill-equipped bulldozers with a gun.

So, on the topic of the police part, would SWAT teams (US SWAT, regularly engaged in urban ops against barricaded subjects and such) be a legitimate threat to military forces in urban combat, assuming the police decide to resist rather than collaborate?

Alternatively, would that not!Sten I was asking about be best chambered for pistol, PDW, or assault rifle ammo, because it would probably be issued to those who aren't as ready to deal with recoil as regular soldiers are?
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Postby Laywenrania » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:32 pm

North Arkana wrote:So, on the topic of the police part, would SWAT teams (US SWAT, regularly engaged in urban ops against barricaded subjects and such) be a legitimate threat to military forces in urban combat, assuming the police decide to resist rather than collaborate?

Alternatively, would that not!Sten I was asking about be best chambered for pistol, PDW, or assault rifle ammo, because it would probably be issued to those who aren't as ready to deal with recoil as regular soldiers are?

Military will probably engage with armoured vehicles (edit: and planes and artillery etc). I've doubts that SWAT will be equipped with modern anti-tank ammunition.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:42 pm

North Arkana wrote:So, on the topic of the police part, would SWAT teams (US SWAT, regularly engaged in urban ops against barricaded subjects and such) be a legitimate threat to military forces in urban combat, assuming the police decide to resist rather than collaborate?


Define "legitimate threat." Even a regular beat cop with a sidearm can kill a soldier, so they're a "threat."

But even US SWAT teams lack the heavy weapons that infantry squads usually carry as a matter of course, and even if you have the really militarized ones rolling around in old M113s or surplus MRAPs, they don't have anything on a Bradley or Abrams.
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Postby Crookfur » Sat Sep 26, 2015 12:53 pm

North Arkana wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:A technical is a cheap, versatile, easily disguised platform for irregulars. It can mount heavy weapons from HMGs, light autocannons, mortars, recoilless rifles and ATGMs. It will always suffer from poor protection and will be less effective than a dedicated military jeep.

Your police are (usually) a civil service. They would try and maintain order in the civil populace and at best do their jobs. As civil employees of the government, they would probably surrender in event of invasion. They might be left to do their jobs, but it's unlikely if it's a routinely armed unit. Police commanders might be expected by an invader to collaborate.

No helicopter will reasonably carry "tanks", by which I mean MBTs. Few helicopters will carry scout tanks like Scorpion. Most heavy lift helicopters could carry a tankette like the Weisel, but would be better used to carry just troops, or possibly an artillery piece, jeep or light truck.
Civil evacuations would probably be done by military helicopter, diverting logistical units, and seizure of civil assets like buses, coaches and the like, as well as military trucks again probably diverted from logistical units.

A tank is forty, fifty, sixty tonnes of steel. Think of them as ill-equipped bulldozers with a gun.

So, on the topic of the police part, would SWAT teams (US SWAT, regularly engaged in urban ops against barricaded subjects and such) be a legitimate threat to military forces in urban combat, assuming the police decide to resist rather than collaborate?

Alternatively, would that not!Sten I was asking about be best chambered for pistol, PDW, or assault rifle ammo, because it would probably be issued to those who aren't as ready to deal with recoil as regular soldiers are?


for a not!sten to actulaly work it needs to use plain old pistol ammo. Rifle ammo would be too much for a simple blowback/api action to handle and PDW ammo is well not quite as good as advertised.

If you wanted a cheap made from bits of pipe rifle calibre weapon you would need a not!VG1-5
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Postby Korouse » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:09 pm

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Palakistan wrote:It's also scary looking.

I'd say cheap looking (since the government wanted the cheapest everything), but if you think it's scary then I'm not one to dispute.

They literally look like hockey masks with some protective layer over them.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:31 pm

What is the effective power out put in watts of a Care Bear stare?
And along those lines, how many Care Bears would be needed to provide an effective CIWS defense against anti shipping missiles on something like say a Burke?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Sep 26, 2015 1:44 pm

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Chinese Peoples wrote:I feel obliged to share a RL fact.

(Image)

This image, which depicts the riot police of the Republic of China (Taiwan), is often cited as an example where policemen use masks to conceal their identities, perhaps during the commission of atrocities. That is purely a misconception as their names would be visible on arm patches. If I recall correctly, the masks were added after an incident in the early 2000s when rioters pelted vials of highly corrosive acid solutions at policemen, causing severe and disfiguring burns.

And yes, while the ugly masks make them look like horror movie characters, they are effective in stopping the acid attacks.

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North Arkana wrote:So, on the topic of the police part, would SWAT teams (US SWAT, regularly engaged in urban ops against barricaded subjects and such) be a legitimate threat to military forces in urban combat, assuming the police decide to resist rather than collaborate?

SWAT groups, if organised, brought into the military chain of command, equipped and concealed and directed against lightly-protected rear area assets, would be a potent threat to wider military operations.

However, this is the job of special and irregular forces anyway, so you arguably don't need these personnel. They're well equipped but prominent and not militarily capable so they're obvious targets for pacification.
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Postby Palakistan » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:10 pm

So what is your opinion on the Brigade Combat Team? Is it a viable warfare unit for power projection?
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:14 pm

Palakistan wrote:So what is your opinion on the Brigade Combat Team? Is it a viable warfare unit for power projection?


Given that power projection is literally what it is designed to be optimized for, one imagines so.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Sep 26, 2015 2:16 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:What is the effective power out put in watts of a Care Bear stare?
And along those lines, how many Care Bears would be needed to provide an effective CIWS defense against anti shipping missiles on something like say a Burke?

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