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Who Will be the OP of the next Infantry Thread?

Roski
2
3%
Prem (Estovnia)
7
10%
Puzikas
23
34%
Korva
12
18%
Eisarn-Ara
7
10%
Immoren
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12%
Nirvash Type TheEND
8
12%
 
Total votes : 67

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:35 am

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>multiple captors

I hope you have twins.

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Postby United RussoAsia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:49 am

Fordorsia wrote:Who loves forward swept falchions? I know Nirv does

That looks good

for a sword
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Postby Puzikas » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:57 am

>Implying she doesn't just birth a 1911

This virgin birth made possible by our Lord and Savior John Moses Browning (praise be unto him)


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A or B?
Why?


A.

Stock.

But give it Bs trigger.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:12 am

I couldn't allow such magnificence to go unheeded.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:12 am

Gatbashing time!

Stock of A undoubtedly. Colour scheme and disassembly of B, I suspect. A's thicker fore end or B's?
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For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

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For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:57 am

The Kievan People wrote:
Nachmere wrote:well if you go completely co-ed barracks and facilities it costs you nothing to do...so why not. ofcourse at that point they start getting pregnant at 25-28 and drop from the service/reserve pooland all the training goes to waste.


Point. But I could flip this around and ask why, if we are conscripting, we couldn't just send the women to other non-combat units and send the men they free up to the infantry.

Your earlier point about mechanization is correct. But greater mechanization also means relatively more need for rear services and relatively less need for bodies on the front line. Infantry IIRC only account for something like 5% of all manpower in the US military so there doesn't seem to be a need to "broaden" the pool of potential recruits. On the contrary, a modern military could be highly selective of its infantry and probably (in contrast to historical practices) should be.



I take the approach of: "Here are the standards, if you meet them and there's room, welcome aboard!"
As you said, rear echelon numbers can be more important, but I would still rather allow anyone who can meet the requirements be able to get in. Especially as physical fitness requirements, in my book, should be service-wide. An orderly should be held to the same fitness standards as an infantryman, and so on. Everybody is expected to pew pew if the smelly stuff goes into the broken air conditioning.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:06 am

Can you imagine how much of your rear area you'd lose if you held them to that standard though?
Like, I probably wouldn't qualify for REME reserve by the time I go in if I had to pass regular infantry standards.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:31 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Can you imagine how much of your rear area you'd lose if you held them to that standard though?
Like, I probably wouldn't qualify for REME reserve by the time I go in if I had to pass regular infantry standards.


Canadian Army fitness standards are universal, and they do alright.

The flip side to this though, is that if you join the Canadian Army and are not quite up to par, they will work with you to get there before you go to BMQ.
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Postby Ancient Blawell » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:35 am

The question is ... to be or not to be flexible... for me it has to be at a perfect balance. Not too rigid but not too soft. The sword has to be able to bend but it should not be "waving" like a flag while being swing or slash... It also should not be too long, and not too short. The preferred blade length is about 29-30 inches with total length is about 42 inches.

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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:38 am

Ancient Blawell wrote:The question is ... to be or not to be flexible... for me it has to be at a perfect balance. Not too rigid but not too soft. The sword has to be able to bend but it should not be "waving" like a flag while being swing or slash... It also should not be too long, and not too short. The preferred blade length is about 29-30 inches with total length is about 42 inches.


There is no perfect balance. Just like with firearms, a sword is at it's best when optimized for the situation it's in. Your requirements are impossible to meet really.
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Postby Ancient Blawell » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:45 am

Fordorsia wrote:There is no perfect balance. Just like with firearms, a sword is at it's best when optimized for the situation it's in. Your requirements are impossible to meet really.


well, if you make a chinese sword with japanese "steel" and blade thickness slightly thicker than a kitchen knife then it would be perform as I descrip... I think...

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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:57 am

Ancient Blawell wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:There is no perfect balance. Just like with firearms, a sword is at it's best when optimized for the situation it's in. Your requirements are impossible to meet really.


well, if you make a chinese sword with japanese "steel" and blade thickness slightly thicker than a kitchen knife then it would be perform as I descrip... I think...


What's Japenese steel? Do you mean differential heat treating? That's just hardening certain parts of the blade, like having a super hard edge and a relatively soft spine. Blades like that stay bent when you bend them, and the edge cracks and breaks. If you want a sword that is versatile, differential heat treating is the worst you can do.

To figure out what kind of sword you need, I need to know the era, the culture, who will use the sword and how you want them to use it.
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Postby Nachmere » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:13 am

really you cant go wrong with a steel pipe.

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Postby Husseinarti » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:19 am

Ancient Blawell wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:There is no perfect balance. Just like with firearms, a sword is at it's best when optimized for the situation it's in. Your requirements are impossible to meet really.


well, if you make a chinese sword with japanese "steel" and blade thickness slightly thicker than a kitchen knife then it would be perform as I descrip... I think...


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:26 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Can you imagine how much of your rear area you'd lose if you held them to that standard though?
Like, I probably wouldn't qualify for REME reserve by the time I go in if I had to pass regular infantry standards.


Canadian Army fitness standards are universal, and they do alright.

The flip side to this though, is that if you join the Canadian Army and are not quite up to par, they will work with you to get there before you go to BMQ.

Well, REME told me much the same thing as well. But, combat support standards are lower than infantry, and reserve combat support is lower still.
I can pass the 1.5 mile run at my current level of unfitness. Once. Then I might actually die.
Of course once I get in, I'd like to use it as a convenient point in which to become fit.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:59 am

A type C, if you will.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Ulfr-Reich » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:00 pm

Nachmere wrote:really you cant go wrong with a steel pipe.


Or a Trench Club, Trench Club's are pretty nice.

For instance, this is a relic from the first World War, a shillelagh that got combine with a trench clubs' bits then weighted down.

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Postby The balkens » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:03 pm

Ulfr-Reich wrote:
Nachmere wrote:really you cant go wrong with a steel pipe.


Or a Trench Club, Trench Club's are pretty nice.

For instance, this is a relic from the first World War, a shillelagh that got combine with a trench clubs' bits then weighted down.

*snip*



who was the brave bastard that used that?
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Postby Sediczja » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:04 pm

Honestly if you just follow Couch to 5k you'll see decent results. When I actually started bothering to prepare myself a few months ago I managed to get my run time down from a pretty appalling 18 minutes to about 11 in 7 weeks, and that was just with 20-30 minutes of running three nights a week. After that I transitioned to following the Army Fit poster, which would probably work just as well in the first place - just took me a while to find it :P

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Postby Crookfur » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:09 pm

Fordorsia wrote:
Ancient Blawell wrote:
well, if you make a chinese sword with japanese "steel" and blade thickness slightly thicker than a kitchen knife then it would be perform as I descrip... I think...

What's Japenese steel? Do you mean differential heat treating? That's just hardening certain parts of the blade, like having a super hard edge and a relatively soft spine. Blades like that stay bent when you bend them, and the edge cracks and breaks. If you want a sword that is versatile, differential heat treating is the worst you can do.

To figure out what kind of sword you need, I need to know the era, the culture, who will use the sword and how you want them to use it.


Pah everyone knows that the only types of swords you need are claymores be they of the great sword or broadsword variety.

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Postby Arcerion » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:13 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:
Canadian Army fitness standards are universal, and they do alright.

The flip side to this though, is that if you join the Canadian Army and are not quite up to par, they will work with you to get there before you go to BMQ.

Well, REME told me much the same thing as well. But, combat support standards are lower than infantry, and reserve combat support is lower still.
I can pass the 1.5 mile run at my current level of unfitness. Once. Then I might actually die.
Of course once I get in, I'd like to use it as a convenient point in which to become fit.


See, the standards are universal, but the reserves and some non-combat arms trades just do PT on their own time. Which just ends up with Tim Horton's PT.

In the reserves, and especially there, combat arms are the most fit. The NCMs and NCOs are generally more fit then the dinosaurs who remember when they trained to kill BRDM-2s in the Fulda Gap. However, a lot of those older guys are in the reserves to pass on experience and therefore often skip out on PT.

I had a warrant make fun of me for not being very muscular, and when he showed up for the Sergeant Major's PT, he struggled. And when I say struggled I mean I had no issue doing the circuit training, but he had to lie down and take a break.

tl:dr Combat arms in Canada always have higher fitness. Generally the rule.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:16 pm

Arcerion wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Well, REME told me much the same thing as well. But, combat support standards are lower than infantry, and reserve combat support is lower still.
I can pass the 1.5 mile run at my current level of unfitness. Once. Then I might actually die.
Of course once I get in, I'd like to use it as a convenient point in which to become fit.


See, the standards are universal, but the reserves and some non-combat arms trades just do PT on their own time. Which just ends up with Tim Horton's PT.

In the reserves, and especially there, combat arms are the most fit. The NCMs and NCOs are generally more fit then the dinosaurs who remember when they trained to kill BRDM-2s in the Fulda Gap. However, a lot of those older guys are in the reserves to pass on experience and therefore often skip out on PT.

I had a warrant make fun of me for not being very muscular, and when he showed up for the Sergeant Major's PT, he struggled. And when I say struggled I mean I had no issue doing the circuit training, but he had to lie down and take a break.

tl:dr Combat arms in Canada always have higher fitness. Generally the rule.

It's what you'd expect and wish for. If non-combat groups had higher fitness than combat arms, something has gone very wrong.
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Postby Nachmere » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:16 pm

god invented tanks so i dont have to be able to run 1.5 miles. just saying.

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Postby Gallia- » Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:18 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Arcerion wrote:
See, the standards are universal, but the reserves and some non-combat arms trades just do PT on their own time. Which just ends up with Tim Horton's PT.

In the reserves, and especially there, combat arms are the most fit. The NCMs and NCOs are generally more fit then the dinosaurs who remember when they trained to kill BRDM-2s in the Fulda Gap. However, a lot of those older guys are in the reserves to pass on experience and therefore often skip out on PT.

I had a warrant make fun of me for not being very muscular, and when he showed up for the Sergeant Major's PT, he struggled. And when I say struggled I mean I had no issue doing the circuit training, but he had to lie down and take a break.

tl:dr Combat arms in Canada always have higher fitness. Generally the rule.

It's what you'd expect and wish for. If non-combat groups had higher fitness than combat arms, something has gone very wrong.


Fitness isn't really important anymore.

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