NS Military Realism Mk. 7: NO

[Bratislavskaya]

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

[The Corparation]

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Your own first strike capability.

[Spirit of Hope]

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Well depends on their first strike capability.

Any good opponent is going to have their nuclear weapons heavily defended, and likely has a number of first strike capable systems.

You probably can't eliminate all of their first strike capability.

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Your own first strike capability.

Probably won't take out the enemy first strike before it can launch.

[Bratislavskaya]

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Your own first strike capability.

I'd prefer not to use nuclear weapons.

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Well depends on their first strike capability.

Any good opponent is going to have their nuclear weapons heavily defended, and likely has a number of first strike capable systems.

You probably can't eliminate all of their first strike capability.

Well, I'll hope he isn't a good opponent. He has most of his SAM site around and in cities. If I can take out most of his First Strike capability, and finish off the rest of his nukes and/or nuclear bombers in flight I should be fine.

[Imperializt Russia]

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Well depends on their first strike capability.

Any good opponent is going to have their nuclear weapons heavily defended, and likely has a number of first strike capable systems.

You probably can't eliminate all of their first strike capability.

Didn't someone mention in a previous discussion that a strike on a silo would prevent both subsequent strikes on the field or launches from it due to abrasive dust kicked up?

[Spirit of Hope]

Your own first strike capability.

I'd prefer not to use nuclear weapons.

Well depends on their first strike capability.

Any good opponent is going to have their nuclear weapons heavily defended, and likely has a number of first strike capable systems.

You probably can't eliminate all of their first strike capability.

Well, I'll hope he isn't a good opponent. He has most of his SAM site around and in cities. If I can take out most of his First Strike capability, and finish off the rest of his nukes and/or nuclear bombers in flight I should be fine.

By taking out his nuclear capability you are preforming a first strike, just not a nuclear one. And if he has submarines, or hardened ground based ICBMs you aren't going to be able to target and destroy them all before they start launching.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Well, I'll hope he isn't a good opponent. He has most of his SAM site around and in cities. If I can take out most of his First Strike capability, and finish off the rest of his nukes and/or nuclear bombers in flight I should be fine.

If I were you, I'd be more concerned about ballistic missile submarines out on patrol and road-mobile ICBM launchers moving around his country. Small, moving targets like those are a lot harder to find than silo fields, and can represent a sizeable portion of their strategic nuclear arsenal; the USSR had about a third of its strategic nuclear warheads in submarine-launched ballistic missiles.

[The Akasha Colony]

Your own first strike capability.

I'd prefer not to use nuclear weapons.

Well depends on their first strike capability.

Any good opponent is going to have their nuclear weapons heavily defended, and likely has a number of first strike capable systems.

You probably can't eliminate all of their first strike capability.

Well, I'll hope he isn't a good opponent. He has most of his SAM site around and in cities. If I can take out most of his First Strike capability, and finish off the rest of his nukes and/or nuclear bombers in flight I should be fine.

Modern nations have the majority, if not the entirety, of their nuclear arsenals at sea nowadays in ballistic missile submarines. Good luck finding them.

[The Kievan People]

Actually, let me rephrase that. Does anyone know whether it's true that the Soviet Army designated the 2nd maneuver unit in a given formation as a secondary reconnaissance element? Or whether this would be preferable to simply making a larger reconnaissance unit? I'm going to go back to changing organization this January and I would like some input from anyone who knows better about things.

The Soviets used sub units, usually of second echelon formations, to perform what they called troop reconnaissance.

I haven't found any evidence that there were 'picked' formations for this purpose. But they did make use of specially trained observers who would be attached to a unit sent to conduct troop reconnaissance.

[San-Silvacian]

Article 15 all the things.

[United Marxist Nations]

Since my nation is basically a USSR that survived, would my 1750 of These be good for my doctrine?

[Greater Soviet Ukraine]

I'd prefer not to use nuclear weapons.

Well, I'll hope he isn't a good opponent. He has most of his SAM site around and in cities. If I can take out most of his First Strike capability, and finish off the rest of his nukes and/or nuclear bombers in flight I should be fine.

Modern nations have the majority, if not the entirety, of their nuclear arsenals at sea nowadays in ballistic missile submarines. Good luck finding them.

*Uses futuristic satellite technology to scan the seas*
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW

[Immoren]

Since my nation is basically a USSR that survived, would my 1750 of These be good for my doctrine?

What sort of doctrine?

[United Marxist Nations]

Since my nation is basically a USSR that survived, would my 1750 of These be good for my doctrine?

What sort of doctrine?

Basically Soviet doctrine with a reformed, more Western style command structure.

[The Kievan People]

It lacks the bells and whistles of the most modern guns but there is nothing wrong with it, it is quite usable.

[Immoren]

What sort of doctrine?

Basically Soviet doctrine with a reformed, more Western style command structure.

Seems quite handwavy.

But what he says.

It lacks the bells and whistles of the most modern guns but there is nothing wrong with it, it is quite usable.

is applicaple.

[North Arkana]

Modern nations have the majority, if not the entirety, of their nuclear arsenals at sea nowadays in ballistic missile submarines. Good luck finding them.

*Uses futuristic satellite technology to scan the seas*
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW

*Uses high-powered lasers to blind the satellites*
My god is currently out to lunch.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Spies, spetsnaz, stealth-bombers, and cruise-missiles.

Although ballistic-missiles are cheaper than cruise-missiles, I'm under the presumption that they'll see you launch a ton of great big rockets into space and they seem to be gently arcing right for their missile-siloes on their 2+ hour journey.

It is prudent to get spies aboard every fecking sub, or at least ensure their command-staff is a bunch of peacenik-hippies.

[United Marxist Nations]

Thanks, guys.

[The Akasha Colony]

Need quick input, because I may well have promted a nuclear war in my region: What is the best way to take out someones first strike capability? Airstrikes?

Spies, spetsnaz, stealth-bombers, and cruise-missiles.

Although ballistic-missiles are cheaper than cruise-missiles, I'm under the presumption that they'll see you launch a ton of great big rockets into space and they seem to be gently arcing right for their missile-siloes on their 2+ hour journey.

It is prudent to get spies aboard every fecking sub, or at least ensure their command-staff is a bunch of peacenik-hippies.

What? An ICBM will take less much less than 2 hours to reach even its maximum range. Nor are they cheaper than cruise missiles.

[Spirit of Hope]

Well depends on their first strike capability.

Any good opponent is going to have their nuclear weapons heavily defended, and likely has a number of first strike capable systems.

You probably can't eliminate all of their first strike capability.

Didn't someone mention in a previous discussion that a strike on a silo would prevent both subsequent strikes on the field or launches from it due to abrasive dust kicked up?

Maybe? I don't remember seeing anything that said that but it might be true.

But I was more talking it would be hard to guarantee you hit every ICBM silo before they started launching, especially since he was planning to use non nuclear attack methods (which I read as no ICBMs as well).

Spies, spetsnaz, stealth-bombers, and cruise-missiles.

Although ballistic-missiles are cheaper than cruise-missiles, I'm under the presumption that they'll see you launch a ton of great big rockets into space and they seem to be gently arcing right for their missile-siloes on their 2+ hour journey.

It is prudent to get spies aboard every fecking sub, or at least ensure their command-staff is a bunch of peacenik-hippies.

What? An ICBM will take less much less than 2 hours to reach even its maximum range. Nor are they cheaper than cruise missiles.

Flight time of an ICBM was like 30 minutes right (or was it 30 minuted from spotting to detonation)?

In either case spies and special forces aren't going to be enough to take out all of the ground launched systems, let alone air or sea based systems.

Modern nations have the majority, if not the entirety, of their nuclear arsenals at sea nowadays in ballistic missile submarines. Good luck finding them.

*Uses futuristic satellite technology to scan the seas*
WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW

How exactly are you scanning the sea with satellites? Optical and radar satellites already exist and are rather limited in their capability.

[Weisestadt]

How exactly are you scanning the sea with satellites? Optical and radar satellites already exist and are rather limited in their capability.

I remembered this when reading your post, happy sub hunting.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Spies, spetsnaz, stealth-bombers, and cruise-missiles.

Although ballistic-missiles are cheaper than cruise-missiles, I'm under the presumption that they'll see you launch a ton of great big rockets into space and they seem to be gently arcing right for their missile-siloes on their 2+ hour journey.

It is prudent to get spies aboard every fecking sub, or at least ensure their command-staff is a bunch of peacenik-hippies.

What? An ICBM will take less much less than 2 hours to reach even its maximum range. Nor are they cheaper than cruise missiles.

IIRC, the Pershing II MRBM had a flight-time of half an hour.

Depends on the cruise missile, or ICBM.

A very-dimwitted econo-line ICBM is going to get lofted like a mortar at any range that isn't maximum with less than ideal velocities, raising its flight-time to that one to two hour mark seen on early manned sub-orbital flights.
-After the 1960s we seem to have opted to just tell the rocket to ram the earth after 20+ minutes of burn/coast-time.

[Spirit of Hope]

How exactly are you scanning the sea with satellites? Optical and radar satellites already exist and are rather limited in their capability.

I remembered this when reading your post, happy sub hunting.

AKA if you already have a satellite looking at a location, and a submarine happens to be at that location, you might be able to see them if they are close enough to the surface and/or moving fast enough. So extremely limited by the number of satellites, time over an area, the size of the area they can scan, etc.

[Atomic Utopia]

I remembered this when reading your post, happy sub hunting.

AKA if you already have a satellite looking at a location, and a submarine happens to be at that location, you might be able to see them if they are close enough to the surface and/or moving fast enough. So extremely limited by the number of satellites, time over an area, the size of the area they can scan, etc.

Yes, and it would take some while to set up, and probably cost a load of money, however the question was if you could see it, not if it would be reasonable, even though it looks like it may be reasonable to do so.