Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.V

[Triplebaconation]

Of course it's burning oil. It's a two-stroke engine.

[Val Nube]

Of course it's burning oil. It's a two-stroke engine.

Uh, it's a 5TDF diesel...

[United States of PA]

Yeah that shouldn't happen if the engine is in good shape. I personally think its Antifreeze being burnt from a blown headgasket, but a gasket failure could also theoretically provide low enough combustion that some fuel escapes the cylinder unburnt, which would also cause low power.

Of course it's burning oil. It's a two-stroke engine.

I doubt that. Source?

Uh, it's a 5TDF diesel...

To be fair, there are two stroke Diesels out there (Detroit is the only brand i know of offhand to make major use of them however)

[Rich and Corporations]

Thanks, guys. I'll have to maintain mine better I guess. I just didn't want a giant pillar of smoke declaring my AFV's positions.

with diesels that's inevitable.

[Val Nube]

To be fair, there are two stroke Diesels out there (Detroit is the only brand i know of offhand to make major use of them however)

I suppose. In this case though, it's the same engine as the T-64, although I think only having five cylinders is weird.

[United States of PA]

To be fair, there are two stroke Diesels out there (Detroit is the only brand i know of offhand to make major use of them however)

I suppose. In this case though, it's the same engine as the T-64, although I think only having five cylinders is weird.

Yeah 5 cylinders in Opposed Piston Fashion is weird in my eyes too.

[United States of PA]

Thats supposed to be the 5TDF. Anyone smarter than me wanna explain how that is suppossed to work while being Opposed Piston as everything i have seen has said? Looks to me more like a Inline 5 cyl. turned on its side

[Triplebaconation]

http://btvt.narod.ru/4/5td/5tdf.htm

[United States of PA]

Thanks, that explains why it looks so fucking funny to me.

EDIT: Though, the whole "Of course it burns oil" argument i think is farce. I really do not think that was blue smoke. It would take a insidious amount of oil to generate THAT MUCH smoke if it was oil being burnt. Considering the lack of a head gasket, its probably unburnt fuel, which could be a issue of timing, bad injectors etc.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Thanks, guys. I'll have to maintain mine better I guess. I just didn't want a giant pillar of smoke declaring my AFV's positions.

with diesels that's inevitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

[Val Nube]

Thanks, guys. I'll have to maintain mine better I guess. I just didn't want a giant pillar of smoke declaring my AFV's positions.

with diesels that's inevitable.

Somehow, I doubt that.

[Rich and Corporations]

with diesels that's inevitable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

http://youtu.be/huEQIlxlIo4?t=39s
rich and corporations is rite???
diesels take too long to start and are a bit smokey

[Val Nube]

http://btvt.narod.ru/4/5td/5tdf.htm

Huh. Well, I guess if this is right, it is a two-stroke engine.

[Vitaphone Racing]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14

http://youtu.be/huEQIlxlIo4?t=39s
rich and corporations is rite???
diesels take too long to start and are a bit smokey

1 youtube video = point proven

[Vitaphone Racing]

Diesels take too long to start. 1 second of cranking = 1 second too long. Ban diesels.

[Rich and Corporations]

Diesels take too long to start. 1 second of cranking = 1 second too long. Ban diesels.

you forgot the turbocharger to spool up.

http://youtu.be/huEQIlxlIo4?t=39s
rich and corporations is rite???
diesels take too long to start and are a bit smokey

1 youtube video = point proven

u give irrevalent youtube video and then complain I only give one?y
it's clear who's winning this argument, but since I'm on a roll, I might as well add a second youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be8jh1wruac

[Vitaphone Racing]

Diesels take too long to start. 1 second of cranking = 1 second too long. Ban diesels.

you forgot the turbocharger to spool up.

lel

1 youtube video = point proven

u give irrevalent youtube video and then complain I only give one?y
it's clear who's winning this argument, but since I'm on a roll, I might as well add a second youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be8jh1wruac

Stop posting.

ITT: Two videos of old tanks starting up proves all diesels emit giant pillars of smoke. Also diesels take too long to start because the turbocharger needs to spool up.

[Lemanrussland]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uscWCYqOQI

>average_diesel_engine.avi

[United States of PA]

http://youtu.be/huEQIlxlIo4?t=39s
rich and corporations is rite???
diesels take too long to start and are a bit smokey

Hardly a given. And thats not really the smoke cloud present in the video Val Nube posted now is it?

The only time you will "inevitably" get a smoke cloud like in Val Nubes video from a diesel is when something is seriously wrong, or the engine/temperature is damn cold. A little bit of smoke on start up is to be expected because of how much energy it takes to fully combust diesel, which is not attained immediately.

[Vitaphone Racing]

The average tank engine >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOp64SBL8k

[United States of PA]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ-12T8rjC8

Nah this is.

Rolling coal and blowing heads all the way to 1800hp Yee Haw!!

EDIT: Honestly, this needs to stop though, getting offtopic.

Diesel engines are hardly a Coal Rolling Smoke Generator. Most start up with a miniscule amount of smoke overall unless its cold out (Which is a issue with both diesel and gas) and engines that are newer designs than that leopards have sensors that eliminate any smoke on start up via variable timing from the ECM.

[Rich and Corporations]

Two videos of old tanks starting up proves all diesels emit giant pillars of smoke.

the leopard 2 is old?
but it's australia's main battle tank?

[Rich and Corporations]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ-12T8rjC8

Nah this is.

Rolling coal and blowing heads all the way to 1800hp Yee Haw!!

EDIT: Honestly, this needs to stop though, getting offtopic.

Diesel engines are hardly a Coal Rolling Smoke Generator. Most start up with a miniscule amount of smoke overall unless its cold out (Which is a issue with both diesel and gas) and engines that are newer designs than that leopards have sensors that eliminate any smoke on start up via variable timing from the ECM.

turbines

[United States of PA]

turbines

Fair point, but diesels are still better at least in my opinion for reasons such as the fact they they have closed the power density scale, are almost as multifuel, cheaper iirc etc.

At this point its just arguing semantics. No engine is going to smoke like that BMPV-64 unless something is seriously wrong, you cannot argue that.

[Rich and Corporations]

turbines

Fair point, but diesels are still better at least in my opinion for reasons such as the fact they they have closed the power density scale, are almost as multifuel, cheaper iirc etc.

At this point its just arguing semantics. No engine is going to smoke like that BMPV-64 unless something is seriously wrong, you cannot argue that.

Actually with every new generation of turbines and diesels, turbines become fairly close to the fuel efficiency of previous generation diesels, and diesels become fairly close to the power density of the previous generation of turbines. But I'm certain a gap still exists.

And diesels need special equipment to be fueled with natural gas, while my tanks only need different fuel tanks.

I didn't even see the BMPV-64 video and I wasn't really factoring that into my arguments.