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Tyrannov
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Postby Tyrannov » Wed May 22, 2013 2:54 am

Slavery isn't illegal within the Holy Empire, but few practice it nowadays due to nonexistence of minimum wage. Most Tyrannovans use cheap labor.

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The Unified Crown
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Postby The Unified Crown » Wed May 22, 2013 9:18 am

The original tribes of the former kingdoms on our grounds were enslaved by other empires which conquered us.
For that reason, for the suffering, for the mistreatment, and for our tainted history, the kingdom and the people swore to never enslave anyone, a thing written in the constitution.
Yet, in poverty areas in cities in the modern Unified Crown, people are being enslaved for they are belong to low caste, but the government and the monarchy never supported slavery.

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The Greater Luthorian Empire
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Postby The Greater Luthorian Empire » Wed May 22, 2013 9:47 am

The Luthorian Empire proper outlawed slavery in 1894, while the free cities within Luthoria (with the exception of the capital of Luthor) still allow slavery, although most labour is done by free people with slaves either working as Courtesan or in the fighting pits where they fight to the death with each other. Oddly enough some of the older pit fighters seem more than happy with their lives, although this might be due to the rewards they are given for winning and psychological damage from having to kill people with their bare hands.
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Postby Central and Eastern Visayas » Wed May 22, 2013 1:09 pm

The Federal Republic never abolished slavery because slavery was never legal in the first place.
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Postby Bodobol » Wed May 22, 2013 2:15 pm

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TurtleShroom
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Postby TurtleShroom » Wed May 22, 2013 2:47 pm

The First Amendment to the Constitution of the Holy Republic of TurtleShroom was a ban on slavery, ratified in 1800. However, the transitional/provisional government that existed until the convention of the first Congress and orderly TS government passed a statutory ban on slavery. This legislation, word for word, became the First Amendment.

Slavery was never practiced by the indigneous turtle or mushroom populations, and the human Missionaries were too busy surviving for themselves and building a country to bother with such things. Officially, slavery has been de jure illegal since 1796.
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Postby Retro Lyra » Wed May 22, 2013 3:12 pm

It has never really developed in Rlyra, though there are legal punishments for keeping slaves. There is, in fact, a program funded by willing citizens that buys large sums of slaves from foreign nations and brings them to the islands to live in freedom. There are often riots over this service from those nonsupporting of immigration, but that is a different story.
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Mallaska
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Postby Mallaska » Wed May 22, 2013 3:37 pm

Abolished in 1842 with the foundation of the Mallaska you know today.
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Wed May 22, 2013 4:45 pm

(Indignantly) Never.

Despite the Great Slave Raid that happened a month or two ago, in which we were attacked by a variety of uppity little gits who wouldn't go away until they managed to steal all of our human livestock and got Megatron to sign an anti-slavery contract, it is still quite legal here in the Empire and is seen as the only natural way of things.

In that "contract," Megatron ostensibly agreed not to keep slaves or clone any more, but no laws have been made against it and never will be. This was even explicitly stated at the time. If he tried to institute any anti-slavery laws, we would all go grab a slave just on the principle of it at best, and commit mass revolution at worst. In fact, if we thought that Megatron was the remotest bit serious about that contract, he would be swimming in the Main Pit at the Main Foundry right now!

Even so, after that event, General Carjack was put in charge of the labor for mines owned by Megatron Metals and is currently using mindless machines for the work, but independent mine owners are still free to use whatever labor they see fit - with the only caveat being that they are on their own if they get attacked by abolitionists. Of course, even that caveat has a lot of ifs and wherefores. We will probably spring to defend their right to own lesser animals unless they outright troll some other army.


We believe that it is morally and naturally RIGHT for the lesser species (that is, any species that isn't ours) to serve us, and that they are just beasts of burden on par with horses or oxen at best. It isn't just a variance for these things to be able to speak up, it is outright wrong for inferior creatures to be given any say in any matters. To treat them as though they are equals is to demean our own status. The only thing a biological has any right to say to a Decepticon is "yes, sir; right away sir." It should be grateful that we allow it to live at all.

It goes without saying that we have now erected a Godmodium Omni-Dimensional Shielding System and an Omni-Galactic Ignore Cannon Array to prevent any further interference by the evil ones who would upset the natural order. It is because of this new defense system that we are able to speak openly about our practices once again.
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Breheim
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Postby Breheim » Wed May 22, 2013 4:52 pm

Slavery was formally illegalised in 1797, but was de facto abolished in 1792 when all domestic slaves and serfs were freed.

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Kazel
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Postby Kazel » Wed May 22, 2013 4:56 pm

19 June 1877 is the formal date of the abolition of slavery, although it had fallen out of vogue by the mid-19th century anyway. Abolition, however, did not include penal labour, and penal labour is still legal today.
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Menelmacar
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Postby Menelmacar » Wed May 22, 2013 5:01 pm

Victorious Decepticons wrote:It goes without saying that we have now erected a Godmodium Omni-Dimensional Shielding System and an Omni-Galactic Ignore Cannon Array to prevent any further interference by the evil ones who would upset the natural order. It is because of this new defense system that we are able to speak openly about our practices once again.

We find it most gratifying that the "mighty" Defeated Decepticons fear us so that they can only speak openly of their practices from behind a reality-bending shield, and will not stir from their nests to protect their own from us, and even then do not name us or our allies, but only speak in hushed tones of 'the evil ones'.

Naturally, the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar has never kept slaves, and will forever be at war with those who do.
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Ivania
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Postby Ivania » Wed May 22, 2013 5:10 pm

Slavery was never a problem in Ivania and it was never legal in the first place.
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Xekliv
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Postby Xekliv » Wed May 22, 2013 5:15 pm

We used to have slavery.

Then the Khighatli discovered us, and soon after we realized just how horrible being a slave is.
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Demphor
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Postby Demphor » Wed May 22, 2013 5:27 pm

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Paparian
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Postby Paparian » Wed May 22, 2013 5:38 pm

Slavery never existed in Paparian.The nation's early settlers were vehemently anti-slavery and offered decent pay to the indigenous inhabitants willing to work their farms.

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Liege
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Postby Liege » Wed May 22, 2013 5:45 pm

Slavery has been Illegal since the inception of the nation of Liège itself in 1920.
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Herdgergy
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Postby Herdgergy » Wed May 22, 2013 5:47 pm

Slavery is LEGAL and practice here in herdgergy! :) we enslave criminals or people who dont become a CHRISTRAIN.
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Eahland
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Postby Eahland » Wed May 22, 2013 6:44 pm

The first act of Ida Eahlene upon being crowned first cyning of Eahland around 520 A.D. - before even taking the oaths of his hlafordas and þegnas - was to free all the Afaleonene þrælas taken in the conquest of Eahland, and command that no more þrælas would be taken. This was not a move well-liked by many of his hlafordas, but his brothers Æthere and Heming backed him, and it was rather more popular amongst the Afaleonene, which went a long way towards ensuring that the Eahlcynn were able to hold Eahland without having to constantly put down rebellions.

This law was later held to apply to serfdom as well, and as a result Eahland never succumbed to feudalism. We refused to recognize that the bonds of foreign serfs were lawful, either, and so Eahland was a haven for escaped serfs following the scipsteorra to freedom, which was the source of much friction, and several wars, between us and neighboring kingdoms through the medieval period, ending only with the War of Southern Aggression and our free fyrd blowing their feudal chivalry to gobbets with cannon and musket. (We industrialized much faster and harder than they did, because it wasn't a threat to the aristocratic ruling class.)

These days, we hold that any slave, serf, thrall, indentured servant, or whatnot who sets foot on Eahlisc soil, or anywhere else that we can enforce our writ, is henceforth and forever a freeman. Slaving is one of the few capital crimes remaining on the books, and we enforce the penalty ruthlessly and aggressively. The method of execution called for is hanging, but we really don't mind hanging bullet-riddled corpses if it comes to it. Just, y'know, to make a point.

Slavers are held to be foes of all mankind, and our warships will stop and search suspected slaver vessels in international waters, give any captured slavers a scrupulously fair trial, and hang them by the neck until dead. Any slaves recovered are immediately declared free, and offered the chance to become citizens of Eahland.
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Valendia
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Postby Valendia » Wed May 22, 2013 6:46 pm

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude shall exist within the Republic, save as punishment for a crime of which the party shall have been duly convicted. - Article IV of the Valendian Charter of Rights

Slavery has been outlawed since the establishment of the republican government more than a century and a half ago. Furthermore, any slaves of foreign nations that set foot on Valendian soil are considered free.
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Postby Miyager » Wed May 22, 2013 6:51 pm

Slavery never legally existed in the Union from the time of its foundation. But of the nation's that compose it, the last one to abolish slavery did so in the 1840's.
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Wed May 22, 2013 7:20 pm

Menelmacar wrote:
Victorious Decepticons wrote:It goes without saying that we have now erected a Godmodium Omni-Dimensional Shielding System and an Omni-Galactic Ignore Cannon Array to prevent any further interference by the evil ones who would upset the natural order. It is because of this new defense system that we are able to speak openly about our practices once again.

We find it most gratifying that the "mighty" Defeated Decepticons fear us so that they can only speak openly of their practices from behind a reality-bending shield, and will not stir from their nests to protect their own from us, and even then do not name us or our allies, but only speak in hushed tones of 'the evil ones'.

Naturally, the Eternal Noldorin Empire of Menelmacar has never kept slaves, and will forever be at war with those who do.


Be gratified all you want to be. We tend not to speak the names of scum. That doesn't mean we fear them. After all, we never mention the names of the builders of Cybertron, though we drove them into extinction after taking the planet. We also tend not to mention the official name of the rolling menace, which we also drove into extinction. And we won't mention your worthless names either.

If you are brave, you would admit that your society is now being torn asunder by these unwilling immigrants and the problems they would cause, or at best, that you now have over a billion homeless people in each of your nations sucking your welfare systems dry. But you are not brave. You are all cowards who have steadfastly refused to address the logistical and social nightmare that would surely occur if you suddenly brought 3.5 billion people into your countries that DON'T WANT TO BE THERE!

And, the fact that they don't want to be in your territories, yet you kidnapped them anyway and haven't allowed them to return to their homes, proves that you are scum. If you weren't scum, you would not want to bring them from a position where they were content to one where they will be miserable until they either die or kill you all. You had no good motives at all - a truth that is typical for all who act sanctimonious. Our humans were just pawns to you - pawns you used as an excuse to justify your barbaric bloodlust.

We considered repossessing them, but see no need to honor you with another battle even though we have, of course, greatly upgraded our conventional forces. We know that, no matter how much you deny it, or even just pretend we didn't bring it up, forcibly importing billions of hostiles into your own nations could only cause you to suffer massive internal devastation. In fact, we are so sure of this that we believe any denials that you make about this fact are complete propaganda on your part. So, we are content to let you have your Pyrrhic "victory." Our scroungers will be glad to pick up the rubble that will be all that is left of your nations in a few years, along with any of our livestock that remains there.

The Shielding is simply to prevent us from any further annoyance from you barbarians. Obviously we will do whatever it takes to prevent any more of our property from being torturously yanked from their homes in our mines and forcibly moved to far-off planets they want no part of even visiting.

(OOC: I realized after our encounter that I am actually *quite* attached to the idea of the Decepticons being slavers, so they are slavers and they are staying that way. It fits the Decepticon persona to a T and it's the logical stance for them to hold. The same goes a Godmodium Shield, for that matter. They surely wouldn't give you another chance if they could help it - and since I don't want to do another battle, they can help it.

Also, the Coalition's false sanctimony makes me outright gag.
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Postby Menelmacar » Wed May 22, 2013 7:39 pm

Your excuse-making amuses us greatly. Hide behind your shields if you like; your words are those of cowards, however much you profess them not to be. We have proven that we will put our weapons where our mouths are, it is truly a pity you cannot do the same.

Since when did you care what your 'property' wanted anyhow?

OOC: The logistical and societal concerns were addressed in the thread by C'tan and Allanea, who took custody of the vast bulk of your slaves.
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Postby Magical Equestria » Wed May 22, 2013 7:45 pm

A couple thousand years ago, when the warring pony tribes finally made peace and Equestria was founded, the first act of the new government was the emancipation of the Earth Ponies. They were liberated from their Unicorn masters, and with the Pegasi, made equal citizens. Since then, keeping ponies as slaves has been illegal--under Equestrian law, all ponies are free citizens by right of birth.

That said, NON-pony slavery still exists, after a fashion. The tribes of Cattle and Sheep are kept in a form of serfdom by the Earth ponies, who give them a safe place to live and three square meals a day in exchange for their milk and wool.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed May 22, 2013 8:15 pm

Serfdom was finally abolished in 1991 after the Empire was toppled in the Revolution.
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