NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[Aqizithiuda]

Sumer = one of those who would be invited to such an event.

Actually, the distrust of Clancy is also strong on Tanknet, possibly due to a large number of rookie errors in his tank books.

Honestly depends on the book. Earlier he shows a pretty good understanding tactics, technology and other things. Later works not so much. Might have to do with the fact that he stopped writing them and handed his name of to other people.

Quite possibly.

I'll admit, though, this discussion has got me interested enough to go back and reread some of his old books.

[Purpelia]

Say, would you happen to have a folder somewhere with all of your previous flags? I don't know if I managed to catch them all.

I do, actually.

How many are there?

[Strykla]

Honestly depends on the book. Earlier he shows a pretty good understanding tactics, technology and other things. Later works not so much. Might have to do with the fact that he stopped writing them and handed his name of to other people.

Quite possibly.

I'll admit, though, this discussion has got me interested enough to go back and reread some of his old books.

I am only up to Executive Orders, which is on hiatus mostly because honestly Clancy is heavy reading at times. I read a few books written not by him but under his name, most of which were forgettable. But Red Storm Rising has got to be my favorite to far. It is excellent.

[Spirit of Hope]

Quite possibly.

I'll admit, though, this discussion has got me interested enough to go back and reread some of his old books.

I am only up to Executive Orders, which is on hiatus mostly because honestly Clancy is heavy reading at times. I read a few books written not by him but under his name, most of which were forgettable. But Red Storm Rising has got to be my favorite to far. It is excellent.

It is, and as far as I can tell is extremely accurate. The ghost Rider plane (or whatever they were called) were unfeasible for the time, but since the stealth program was highly classified their was no way for him to know that while writing the book.

[Grand Britannia]

I do, actually.

How many are there?

I counted 14.

[Purpelia]

How many are there?

I counted 14.

Hm... If only I had had the forethought to save all of them in the same place...

[Lolzieristan]

Yeah, it's really weird that you guys suddenly bring up Red Storm Rising. I read when I get my bursts of insomnia/stress, I just started my third read through of it last night.

Overall, it's the single most realistic book he's written. Nothing like The Hunt For Red October, which is probably the main one people are referring to when criticizing Clancy. The stealth aircraft in the book is supposed to be the F-19, of which I am a believer, and it's...decent. He got it pretty close for 1983, though it sounds a bit like a flying saucer by the way they describe it. He also predicted a few problems that surfaced in the Gulf War, like survivability issues of helicopter gunships versus fixed-wing ground attack planes, and extreme ammunition shortages.

[Lubyak]

What would the issues be in using an ASAT weapon to attack something like an orbital shuttle? Would there have to be retrofitting of the ASAT in order to make it capable of such an interception mission or would you be able to just use the same ones you'd use for going after the LEO satellites?

[Lolzieristan]

What would the issues be in using an ASAT weapon to attack something like an orbital shuttle? Would there have to be retrofitting of the ASAT in order to make it capable of such an interception mission or would you be able to just use the same ones you'd use for going after the LEO satellites?

I don't see what the difference would really be between the two. You might want to go with some type of larger warhead if the target is substantially bigger, but otherwise I feel like a space shuttle is nothing more than a large satellite with dudes on it.

[The Corparation]

What would the issues be in using an ASAT weapon to attack something like an orbital shuttle? Would there have to be retrofitting of the ASAT in order to make it capable of such an interception mission or would you be able to just use the same ones you'd use for going after the LEO satellites?

Presumably you could use the same kind of missile. Realistically though you'll want a larger weapon with extra propellant to give it the nesscary delta-v to adjust its orbit in case the shuttle manuevers. Something you don't have to worry about with a satellite. Plus as an added bonus due to orbital mechanics if you miss the first time, an hour and half later you may get a second chance if you have remaining propellant to maneuver again.

[San-Silvacian]

Wtf

[Yes Im Biop]

Wtf

Bet that's some heavy shit.

[The Corparation]

Wtf

Its Russia, What did you expect?

[San-Silvacian]

Someone should tell that designer that scale armor doesn't work that way.

[Registug]

No car, no insurance :P

Say, would you happen to have a folder somewhere with all of your previous flags? I don't know if I managed to catch them all.

Can I has also :3

[The Akasha Colony]

What would the issues be in using an ASAT weapon to attack something like an orbital shuttle? Would there have to be retrofitting of the ASAT in order to make it capable of such an interception mission or would you be able to just use the same ones you'd use for going after the LEO satellites?

Assuming it's in the same orbital height and path, there shouldn't really be that much of a need for changes. Shuttles aren't usually stealthed (well, this is NS, so someone might have tried) since the smooth curves for aerodynamics and to minimize heat buildup are not very compatible with a low RCS. They're also not usually equipped with radar warning receivers or other such equipment, so would be unable to detect an attack on themselves except with a lucky glance out the window or by being warned by the ground.

[The Corparation]

What would the issues be in using an ASAT weapon to attack something like an orbital shuttle? Would there have to be retrofitting of the ASAT in order to make it capable of such an interception mission or would you be able to just use the same ones you'd use for going after the LEO satellites?

Assuming it's in the same orbital height and path, there shouldn't really be that much of a need for changes. Shuttles aren't usually stealthed (well, this is NS, so someone might have tried) since the smooth curves for aerodynamics and to minimize heat buildup are not very compatible with a low RCS. They're also not usually equipped with radar warning receivers or other such equipment, so would be unable to detect an attack on themselves except with a lucky glance out the window or by being warned by the ground.

Spaceships can't be stealthed. Period.(At least not without FT handwvium) Current technology allows us to spot the RCS Thursters of the shuttle firing from the asteroid belt. The main engine? Pluto. Running cold? The heat from the crew still shows up nice and bright when viewed from earth.

[Rich and Corporations]

San-Silvacian: That's a realistic piece of body armor. Multiple ceramic plates, so that if one was hit and destroyed, you can still survive hits... on the other plates.

[Yes Im Biop]

Assuming it's in the same orbital height and path, there shouldn't really be that much of a need for changes. Shuttles aren't usually stealthed (well, this is NS, so someone might have tried) since the smooth curves for aerodynamics and to minimize heat buildup are not very compatible with a low RCS. They're also not usually equipped with radar warning receivers or other such equipment, so would be unable to detect an attack on themselves except with a lucky glance out the window or by being warned by the ground.

Spaceships can't be stealthed. Period.(At least not without FT handwvium) Current technology allows us to spot the RCS Thursters of the shuttle firing from the asteroid belt. The main engine? Pluto. Running cold? The heat from the crew still shows up nice and bright when viewed from earth.

Liquid helium and a vacuum layer between the crew cabin and outer hull

[San-Silvacian]

Spaceships can't be stealthed. Period.(At least not without FT handwvium) Current technology allows us to spot the RCS Thursters of the shuttle firing from the asteroid belt. The main engine? Pluto. Running cold? The heat from the crew still shows up nice and bright when viewed from earth.

Liquid helium and a vacuum layer between the crew cabin and outer hull

You still need supports between you and your stef outerlayer.

windows, radar, such and such.

[The Corparation]

Spaceships can't be stealthed. Period.(At least not without FT handwvium) Current technology allows us to spot the RCS Thursters of the shuttle firing from the asteroid belt. The main engine? Pluto. Running cold? The heat from the crew still shows up nice and bright when viewed from earth.

Liquid helium and a vacuum layer between the crew cabin and outer hull

Thermodynamics do not work that way. That heats gotta go somewhere. More in depth stuff here.

[Yes Im Biop]

Liquid helium and a vacuum layer between the crew cabin and outer hull

You still need supports between you and your stef outerlayer.

windows, radar, such and such.

Camera's, Use nonconducting support's. If your building a stealth ship money is no longer an issue. Quantum entanglement BS to a offsite Probe for Radar. Window's are a Structural weakness. Biopian's don't use them.

[Registug]

Spaceships can't be stealthed. Period.(At least not without FT handwvium) Current technology allows us to spot the RCS Thursters of the shuttle firing from the asteroid belt. The main engine? Pluto. Running cold? The heat from the crew still shows up nice and bright when viewed from earth.

Liquid helium and a vacuum layer between the crew cabin and outer hull

The outer hull would still reflect heat and sunlight from the sun and anything else.

Space is cold and empty so compared to that your [insert thing] is going to show up unless it emits or reflects absolutely nothing, which is impossible without handwavium.

[San-Silvacian]

You still need supports between you and your stef outerlayer.

windows, radar, such and such.

Camera's, Use nonconducting support's. If your building a stealth ship money is no longer an issue. Quantum entanglement BS to a offsite Probe for Radar. Window's are a Structural weakness. Biopian's don't use them.

not everything needs to be wanked stef high speed woe dwag

[New Vihenia]

quick question about hydropneumatic suspension.

Can it be used while moving ? I mean.. when a tank want to "kneel" while moving it'll just set the "kneeling position" to the suspension or perhaps it needs to halt before "kneel"