NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #3

[Crookfur]

Nah purp what you really need for 30s awesomeness is a pair of 75mm/40mm convertable guns! Like the various 25/75, 44/60,37/76 and 37/47/81mm guns.

basically a medium long 75mm that can accept a barrel insert for a high pressure 40mm.

Thus you cna have apair of 75mms or a pair 40mms and for the ultra lulz make the turret big enough to house the 40mm inserts so they cna be isntalled on the fly!

What's the point of that? If my crew has to dismount and engineer a new gun in they might as well just drive closer for the HE gun to work. Or hell just use that long 75mm.

Yeah thats liekly far more lulz than you want so an over under 40/75 like some of the bofors combos and one Neubaufahrzeug layouts of the would work reasonably well and likely be easier to install and sight in than a side by side (no need to harmonise and elevation differences wouldn't be an issue as both tubes would need different rnage scales on the sights anyway).

That was my original idea actually. I would take the turret of the Neubaufahrzeug and install it on a Panzer IV hull. If you look at various images and blueprints it becomes obvious that the Neubaufahrzeug hull is just a Panzer IV stretched out to fit the smaller turrets. Or maybe the IV is a shortened NBF. The turrets are of almost identical size so they should be theoretically interchangeable.

The rest is just fluff. Like making the turret and hull a bit sloped and stuff.

Really it was just an idea for 1930s nuttiness flavouring as a the end of the day you are mounting 2 reasonably sized 75mm guns... basically you cna have 1 of each calibre so you can do both tank killing and he exploding or you can have 2 of one type if the expected conditions indicate an over abundance of one type of target (yes 2 40mm guns won't make a tank deader and the rest of the twin gun issues apply). The biggest lulz would be to keep the inserts under armour with racks and assembly that allows them to be slid in and out of the gun whilst in action...

It is really just a uber silly idea but very fitting for the 1930s so much so that Crookfur now definetly has at least one 20/30s universal medium tank that has a single combo gun instead of the usual entry from the 6pdr development tree.

[Purpelia]

I am going for a bit more on the practical side thou...

[Crookfur]

I am going for a bit more on the practical side thou...

I realised that about halfway through the post when i brought combination guns up...

but i'm at work and need some madness to keep me going.

[Purpelia]

I am going for a bit more on the practical side thou...

I realised that about halfway through the post when i brought combination guns up...

but i'm at work and need some madness to keep me going.

Good point. What do you think of the general idea thou? As in, a largish medium tank with a dual gun arrangement that for all intents and purposes is a Neubaufahrzeug turret on a Panzer IV.

Also I know that 4cm guns get obsolete real fast in the 40's. But from what I understand right up until something like 41 most armies still padded their ranks heavily by 30's designs like the BT series or the Panzer II and 38. So it should still perform decently well right?

[Elan Valleys]

I realised that about halfway through the post when i brought combination guns up...

but i'm at work and need some madness to keep me going.

Good point. What do you think of the general idea thou? As in, a largish medium tank with a dual gun arrangement that for all intents and purposes is a Neubaufahrzeug turret on a Panzer IV.

Also I know that 4cm guns get obsolete real fast in the 40's. But from what I understand right up until something like 41 most armies still padded their ranks heavily by 30's designs like the BT series or the Panzer II and 38. So it should still perform decently well right?

Oh look, a f-off-massive target for our AT guns.

Damn.

[Purpelia]

Good point. What do you think of the general idea thou? As in, a largish medium tank with a dual gun arrangement that for all intents and purposes is a Neubaufahrzeug turret on a Panzer IV.

Also I know that 4cm guns get obsolete real fast in the 40's. But from what I understand right up until something like 41 most armies still padded their ranks heavily by 30's designs like the BT series or the Panzer II and 38. So it should still perform decently well right?

Oh look, a f-off-massive target for our AT guns.

Damn.

Why massive? It's about the size of the Panzer IV. People seriously overestimate the size of the NBF. Let me just...

[Crookfur]

I realised that about halfway through the post when i brought combination guns up...

but i'm at work and need some madness to keep me going.

Good point. What do you think of the general idea thou? As in, a largish medium tank with a dual gun arrangement that for all intents and purposes is a Neubaufahrzeug turret on a Panzer IV.

Also I know that 4cm guns get obsolete real fast in the 40's. But from what I understand right up until something like 41 most armies still padded their ranks heavily by 30's designs like the BT series or the Panzer II and 38. So it should still perform decently well right?

It does look pretty nice and to be honest unless a nation actually gets into a stand up fight in the early 40s then thier BT/ickle panzer armies will be not just padding but the main force until the late 40s/early 50s when the lessons from the early to mid 40s conflcits (i.e. the not just ww2s honest conflicts) start perculating and people start to move onto late ww2/immdiate post war tanks i.e. Centurion/T-55 and Patton.

[United Southeast Asian Republic]

Sorry if this is a stupid question... but does an Iron Dome have the capability of intercepting ballistic missiles about 30 miles away?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Sorry if this is a stupid question... but does an Iron Dome have the capability of intercepting ballistic missiles about 30 miles away?

Never.

[Purpelia]

It does look pretty nice and to be honest unless a nation actually gets into a stand up fight in the early 40s then thier BT/ickle panzer armies will be not just padding but the main force until the late 40s/early 50s when the lessons from the early to mid 40s conflcits (i.e. the not just ww2s honest conflicts) start perculating and people start to move onto late ww2/immdiate post war tanks i.e. Centurion/T-55 and Patton.

That's what I thought too. And if things get thought it's an easy job to just install a high powered 75mm on the thing later in the war since the size, turret ring and all that is there.

Related to that. I took two blueprints of the NBF and the Panzer IV and lined them up to scale to show what I mean.
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[WSN7B]

Probably substitute the lightest tan for more black, and hell yeah.


Actually...well, now I'm sad that I suck at drawing. Because I really want that.

Ha. I'd keep it the original way and use it regardless because it would work easily. Just have a reversible cover.

Desert MARPAT disappears eerily well in stucco cookie cutter housing complexes in and around suburban Phoenix, AZ; along with all of the low desert areas.

Crye did multicam well, it works reasonably well in a reasonable range of environments, for what that is worth. If that's not worth enough, it works well enough for a large portion of US SpecWar outfits.

All that being said, MARPAT has got to be pretty damn right, or the stuff the Canadians use. There's no reason that a uniform would be developed specifically for ground pounding usage by the Navy that is so heavily based on those two designs.

[A Hooloovoo]

ACU has a purpose. Which is...

[The Corparation]

ACU has a purpose. Which is...

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At last the perfect camouflage for avoiding work around the house!

[The Akasha Colony]

ACU has a purpose. Which is...

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At last the perfect camouflage for avoiding work around the house!

Provided that house is decorated in a way that would have looked dated in the 1960s.

[Hellraiser-Army]

Is it possible for a ship around 1500 feet long, 500 feet wide, to have one turret, and one turret only, that had a 60 inch gun, one 60 inch gun, on it? Of course, it should have other turrets of different calibers..

Also, is it possible for a ship, (I made it up), called a Battle Lord class Breaker? It has two 24 inch gun turrets, a cell of 500 missiles, which was real, 200 AAA cannons, a submarine clamp, which also was real, and a landing pad for VTOL?

Keep in mind structural and other modifications would take place with these. Its physically possible, with certain precautions and other things. Just want to get your opinion.

[Purpelia]

Is it possible for a ship around 1500 feet long, 500 feet wide

I am not sure how a ship with that ratio would perform to be honest. Plus, there is no way you are putting all of that on such a platform.

[The Kievan People]

Is it possible for a ship around 1500 feet long, 500 feet wide, to have one turret, and one turret only, that had a 60 inch gun, one 60 inch gun, on it? Of course, it should have other turrets of different calibers..

Also, is it possible for a ship, (I made it up), called a Battle Lord class Breaker? It has two 24 inch gun turrets, a cell of 500 missiles, which was real, 200 AAA cannons, a submarine clamp, which also was real, and a landing pad for VTOL?

Keep in mind structural and other modifications would take place with these. Its physically possible, with certain precautions and other things. Just want to get your opinion.

This is a bad idea.

[Hellraiser-Army]

Platform?

[Purpelia]

Platform?

Structure, object, vehicle...

[Yes Im Biop]

Is it possible for a ship around 1500 feet long, 500 feet wide, to have one turret, and one turret only, that had a 60 inch gun, one 60 inch gun, on it? Of course, it should have other turrets of different calibers..

Also, is it possible for a ship, (I made it up), called a Battle Lord class Breaker? It has two 24 inch gun turrets, a cell of 500 missiles, which was real, 200 AAA cannons, a submarine clamp, which also was real, and a landing pad for VTOL?

Keep in mind structural and other modifications would take place with these. Its physically possible, with certain precautions and other things. Just want to get your opinion.

Tac Nuke says hello.

[The Kievan People]

Platform?

At what point did this ever seem like a good idea?

[Faroslan]

I don't think its feasable plus in the modern war setting bigger ships generally mean bigger targets and besides naval cannons unless used for amphibious assault support are outdated and missile launchers can be had for cheaper and longer range striking capability IMHO. Why do you think no current fleet in the real world (besides the US sporadicaly) fields the battleship anymore and have for the most part gone to smaller quicker ships.

[Grand Britannia]

Is it possible for a ship around 1500 feet long, 500 feet wide, to have one turret, and one turret only, that had a 60 inch gun, one 60 inch gun, on it? Of course, it should have other turrets of different calibers..

Also, is it possible for a ship, (I made it up), called a Battle Lord class Breaker? It has two 24 inch gun turrets, a cell of 500 missiles, which was real, 200 AAA cannons, a submarine clamp, which also was real, and a landing pad for VTOL?

Keep in mind structural and other modifications would take place with these. Its physically possible, with certain precautions and other things. Just want to get your opinion.

Tac Nuke says hello.

NS grade Torpedo.

[Lolzieristan]

Missiles.

[Hellraiser-Army]

Its going to have large armor and other things, like braces, trusses inside, etc, to accommodate the gun. Its accidentally a god mode on purpose, seeing as it needs large armor to work.

and say hello to the AAA missiles, cannons, and anti missile missiles on board.... you think im that stupid? Of course I will have missiles!

And I have a habit of building torpedo "Grills" Around the ships, like the tanks have today. It stops torpedoes in their path.

and what makes you think I will go to war with a nuke happy nation?