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by The Holy Twig » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:59 am
New Freedomstan wrote:What is a little purging and gulag between friends?
They said I could do anything I wanted to do, so I argue with strangers on the internet.
Ceannairceach wrote:I am looking for a girl with >5% genetic relation to me. Must be dtf, blond, big butt.
by Samozaryadnyastan » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:52 am
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by The Holy Twig » Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:21 am
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:First things first - multi-calibre isn't a great idea.
It's a civilian market thing that makes weapons look more tactilol. I use it in one of my export rifles, because ICly my weapons are intended to be adaptable to whatever your native calibre is without requiring you to switch. Because it's export.
Secondly, whilst multi-calibre between 7.62x39, 5.56x45, 5.45x39, 6.5x38, 6.8x43 (though I have no idea what 6.8 ASG is) is indeed possible, having multi-calibre between these and also 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54R Russian, is not. It's also just pointless. Pick a cartridge from the two lists and stick with it. Personal recommendation, either 5.56x45mm (in M855A1 variant) and 7.62x51 NATO, or 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x39
Your soldiers and logistics officers will learn to love you this way.
The battle rifle rounds (7.62 NATO, 7.62R Russian) are significantly larger than the other rounds, and also significantly more powerful, and cannot be put inside the same weapon without significant modification to the point you may as well field a different weapon. A weapon firing 7.62x51 or 7.62x54 or similarly-sized rounds is no longer referred to as an assault rifle by the way, it is now a battle rifle.
I would recommend ditching stats for muzzle velocity and muzzle energy - they're relatively unimportant waffle with regards to the weapon system.
With your handgun, gas-operated handguns are very very rare. The vast majority of handguns are operated by either short recoil or in some cases, blowback.
Gas operated, as a phrase, is incredibly vague and covers a myriad of very different systems. Type into wiki 'gas-operated reloading' for a rundown on most of these systems.
With the machine gun, I'd advise two utterly separate variants, one in your smaller calibre and one in the battle rifle cartridge. Since your pic is of the M249, you can handwave and use the M249 in your smaller calibre, and use the Mk48 in the battle rifle cartridge (Mk48 is just the 5.56mm M249 modified to accept 7.62x51 - it was originally designed with this variant in mind, but was never actually produced in the 7.62mm variant [also known as Minimi 7.62] until recently, when demand for lightweight 7.62mm machine guns was renewed in Afghanistan).
New Freedomstan wrote:What is a little purging and gulag between friends?
They said I could do anything I wanted to do, so I argue with strangers on the internet.
Ceannairceach wrote:I am looking for a girl with >5% genetic relation to me. Must be dtf, blond, big butt.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:07 pm
The Holy Twig wrote:Samozaryadnyastan wrote:First things first - multi-calibre isn't a great idea.
It's a civilian market thing that makes weapons look more tactilol. I use it in one of my export rifles, because ICly my weapons are intended to be adaptable to whatever your native calibre is without requiring you to switch. Because it's export.
Secondly, whilst multi-calibre between 7.62x39, 5.56x45, 5.45x39, 6.5x38, 6.8x43 (though I have no idea what 6.8 ASG is) is indeed possible, having multi-calibre between these and also 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x54R Russian, is not. It's also just pointless. Pick a cartridge from the two lists and stick with it. Personal recommendation, either 5.56x45mm (in M855A1 variant) and 7.62x51 NATO, or 7.62x51 NATO and 7.62x39
Your soldiers and logistics officers will learn to love you this way.
The battle rifle rounds (7.62 NATO, 7.62R Russian) are significantly larger than the other rounds, and also significantly more powerful, and cannot be put inside the same weapon without significant modification to the point you may as well field a different weapon. A weapon firing 7.62x51 or 7.62x54 or similarly-sized rounds is no longer referred to as an assault rifle by the way, it is now a battle rifle.
I would recommend ditching stats for muzzle velocity and muzzle energy - they're relatively unimportant waffle with regards to the weapon system.
With your handgun, gas-operated handguns are very very rare. The vast majority of handguns are operated by either short recoil or in some cases, blowback.
Gas operated, as a phrase, is incredibly vague and covers a myriad of very different systems. Type into wiki 'gas-operated reloading' for a rundown on most of these systems.
With the machine gun, I'd advise two utterly separate variants, one in your smaller calibre and one in the battle rifle cartridge. Since your pic is of the M249, you can handwave and use the M249 in your smaller calibre, and use the Mk48 in the battle rifle cartridge (Mk48 is just the 5.56mm M249 modified to accept 7.62x51 - it was originally designed with this variant in mind, but was never actually produced in the 7.62mm variant [also known as Minimi 7.62] until recently, when demand for lightweight 7.62mm machine guns was renewed in Afghanistan).
Thanks for the help, I'm getting on it as we speak
If anyone else has any suggestions (Eg gaps in the info, other impossible things I overlooked/skimmed vaguely over) I'd be thankful to hear them.
by Galla- » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:08 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:The Holy Twig wrote:
Thanks for the help, I'm getting on it as we speak
If anyone else has any suggestions (Eg gaps in the info, other impossible things I overlooked/skimmed vaguely over) I'd be thankful to hear them.
Is there a reason why your pistol uses a .50 cal/12.7 mm round?
Fashiontopia wrote:Look don't come here talking bad about Americans, that will get you cussed out faster than relativity.
Besides: Most posters in this thread are Americans, and others who are non-Americans have no problems co-existing so shut that trap...
by The Holy Twig » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:32 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:The Holy Twig wrote:
Thanks for the help, I'm getting on it as we speak
If anyone else has any suggestions (Eg gaps in the info, other impossible things I overlooked/skimmed vaguely over) I'd be thankful to hear them.
Is there a reason why your pistol uses a .50 cal/12.7 mm round? Generally speaking, the hilarious kick from such rounds makes them impractical to aim with. The current military trend in handguns is for smaller but higher-velocity rounds, with an armor piercing shape, allowing them to be used against troops with light body armor in an emergency. A fat but relatively short bullet with a flatter head like most .50 pistol cartridges will be very poor in this regard.
While standardizing on one round for your SMG, SAW, and main rifle may sound attractive, this is a bad idea for the SMG. Submachine guns are designed to be lightweight, low-recoil, high rate-of-fire weapons for close-quarter combat, and indeed are basically defined by the fact that they used pistol cartridges, rather than rifle cartridges. Hence, a 7.62 NATO submachine gun is just not going to work, and functionally wouldn't even be much different from your main rifle at that point. Which as mentioned would be a battle rifle, rather than assault rifle, at that point.
New Freedomstan wrote:What is a little purging and gulag between friends?
They said I could do anything I wanted to do, so I argue with strangers on the internet.
Ceannairceach wrote:I am looking for a girl with >5% genetic relation to me. Must be dtf, blond, big butt.
by Samozaryadnyastan » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:34 pm
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by The Holy Twig » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:36 pm
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:.50AE is a bad round, don't use it - it's very difficult to control.
The 'Magnum' cartridges are intended for revolvers, and are also very powerful, so I'd stay away from those.
Cartridges heavier than 9mm NATO but packing more punch include 10mm Auto, .40S&W and .357 Sig
New Freedomstan wrote:What is a little purging and gulag between friends?
They said I could do anything I wanted to do, so I argue with strangers on the internet.
Ceannairceach wrote:I am looking for a girl with >5% genetic relation to me. Must be dtf, blond, big butt.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:38 pm
The Holy Twig wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
Is there a reason why your pistol uses a .50 cal/12.7 mm round? Generally speaking, the hilarious kick from such rounds makes them impractical to aim with. The current military trend in handguns is for smaller but higher-velocity rounds, with an armor piercing shape, allowing them to be used against troops with light body armor in an emergency. A fat but relatively short bullet with a flatter head like most .50 pistol cartridges will be very poor in this regard.
While standardizing on one round for your SMG, SAW, and main rifle may sound attractive, this is a bad idea for the SMG. Submachine guns are designed to be lightweight, low-recoil, high rate-of-fire weapons for close-quarter combat, and indeed are basically defined by the fact that they used pistol cartridges, rather than rifle cartridges. Hence, a 7.62 NATO submachine gun is just not going to work, and functionally wouldn't even be much different from your main rifle at that point. Which as mentioned would be a battle rifle, rather than assault rifle, at that point.
Do you have any suggestions for the SMG and Handgun? I've been reading up on different calibers and so forth, but the numbers and statistics have been giving me a hell of a headache and I feel as though I haven't learned quite as much as I'd like to have.
Edit: And, yeah, .50 cal handgun was a blunder. My excuse is that I was running on ~4 hours of sleep when I wrote some of the specifications for the weapons down.
by Strykla » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:38 pm
by Samozaryadnyastan » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:42 pm
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by Felix Terra » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:45 pm
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:46 pm
Strykla wrote:Hey guys, what would be a good radar to mount on a modern battleship? The battleship would have 700-km-capable railguns and cruise missile capability. I'm thinking about an AN/SPY-1 look-alike but that's set up for air search.
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:47 pm
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Crookfur » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:47 pm
Strykla wrote:Hey guys, what would be a good radar to mount on a modern battleship? The battleship would have 700-km-capable railguns and cruise missile capability. I'm thinking about an AN/SPY-1 look-alike but that's set up for air search.
by The Holy Twig » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:49 pm
New Freedomstan wrote:What is a little purging and gulag between friends?
They said I could do anything I wanted to do, so I argue with strangers on the internet.
Ceannairceach wrote:I am looking for a girl with >5% genetic relation to me. Must be dtf, blond, big butt.
by The Akasha Colony » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:50 pm
Yes Im Biop wrote:Can you have teh Frangible rounds for a 35mm Cannon? I Am thinking they would be good for marking targets and Close combat support so your not using HE aor AP Rounds.
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:53 pm
The Akasha Colony wrote:Yes Im Biop wrote:Can you have teh Frangible rounds for a 35mm Cannon? I Am thinking they would be good for marking targets and Close combat support so your not using HE aor AP Rounds.
You can, but it's a terrible idea not worth the effort to develop. Just use AP if you don't want collateral damage, since the time it takes to switch your ammunition feed is going to make the whole thing pointless. Modern guns can accept dual feeds of HE and AP, but adding more than that makes them much more complex, and takes up even more space with special-purpose rounds that you'll only use in a tiny handful of situations.
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Crookfur » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:53 pm
Yes Im Biop wrote:Can you have teh Frangible rounds for a 35mm Cannon? I Am thinking they would be good for marking targets and Close combat support so your not using HE aor AP Rounds.
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:55 pm
Crookfur wrote:Yes Im Biop wrote:Can you have teh Frangible rounds for a 35mm Cannon? I Am thinking they would be good for marking targets and Close combat support so your not using HE aor AP Rounds.
already exists, look up FAPDS (frangivle amour Peircing discardign sabot).
IIRC its the standard ammo for the 35mm guns on the gepard SPAAG.
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Crookfur » Thu Jun 07, 2012 12:57 pm
Yes Im Biop wrote:The Akasha Colony wrote:
You can, but it's a terrible idea not worth the effort to develop. Just use AP if you don't want collateral damage, since the time it takes to switch your ammunition feed is going to make the whole thing pointless. Modern guns can accept dual feeds of HE and AP, but adding more than that makes them much more complex, and takes up even more space with special-purpose rounds that you'll only use in a tiny handful of situations.
Ok Noted. Combat uses BAD. But would they be cheaper for training of the gun?
by Yes Im Biop » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:01 pm
[violet] wrote:Urggg... trawling through ads looking for roman orgies...
Idaho Conservatives wrote:FST creates a half-assed thread, goes on his same old feminist rant, and it turns into a thirty page dogpile in under twenty four hours. Just another day on NSG.
Immoren wrote:Saphirasia and his ICBCPs (inter continental ballistic cattle prod)
by Crookfur » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:02 pm
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