Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

[Licana]

I don't use orbital nukes. I use kinetic orbital weapons.

[The Seven Realms]

Once again, the Edelweiss...

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I don't use orbital nukes. I use kinetic orbital weapons.

Cite CEP, amirite?

[Gawdzendia]

MBT-01 Cerebrese

Posted this in the original thread, but this is essentially a re-done version since the old one was not to the proper scale I was aiming for, since I didn't scale the baseline image properly. The old one was an awkward 1 m = 82.2 px, while the current one is 1 m = 100 px. It's also PMT, first off.

1. Yes, I'm aware how long that gun is. It's a 150 mm L/55 railgun, and yes, I know it violates the 7 meter rule. I may or may not adjust it in the future, depending on how things go. As a railgun, it could be shortened so long as the rails can handle increased voltage and friction per-meter and still put out the same muzzle velocity. I also replaced the barrel from the old design to look better and to be appropriately scaled.

2. Finer detail work still needs to be done; this is just something I tossed together to see how things scaled and to get a rough approximation of the look. But that's what I'm here to ask about, since the rest of this needs to be 'filled in' with detail. Gradients and the like also still need to be added to everything except the main gun barrel.

3. The lettering will have its size increased; it was scaled to the old drawing, and will be enlarged. It's just a bit of a hassle given the various different sizes used, but it'll be done by the time the final is completed.

Proportions look good, and Im confident the detail work will bring the whole thing together.

Now this will sound odd, but whats the 7 meter rule? Ive seen it thrown around here a bit but dont know what it is exactly.

[Ularn]

MBT-01 Cerebrese

Posted this in the original thread, but this is essentially a re-done version since the old one was not to the proper scale I was aiming for, since I didn't scale the baseline image properly. The old one was an awkward 1 m = 82.2 px, while the current one is 1 m = 100 px. It's also PMT, first off.

1. Yes, I'm aware how long that gun is. It's a 150 mm L/55 railgun, and yes, I know it violates the 7 meter rule. I may or may not adjust it in the future, depending on how things go. As a railgun, it could be shortened so long as the rails can handle increased voltage and friction per-meter and still put out the same muzzle velocity. I also replaced the barrel from the old design to look better and to be appropriately scaled.

2. Finer detail work still needs to be done; this is just something I tossed together to see how things scaled and to get a rough approximation of the look. But that's what I'm here to ask about, since the rest of this needs to be 'filled in' with detail. Gradients and the like also still need to be added to everything except the main gun barrel.

3. The lettering will have its size increased; it was scaled to the old drawing, and will be enlarged. It's just a bit of a hassle given the various different sizes used, but it'll be done by the time the final is completed.

I thought you were from THE FUTURE! I demand to know why your tank doesn't fly!

[The Akasha Colony]

MBT-01 Cerebrese

Posted this in the original thread, but this is essentially a re-done version since the old one was not to the proper scale I was aiming for, since I didn't scale the baseline image properly. The old one was an awkward 1 m = 82.2 px, while the current one is 1 m = 100 px. It's also PMT, first off.

1. Yes, I'm aware how long that gun is. It's a 150 mm L/55 railgun, and yes, I know it violates the 7 meter rule. I may or may not adjust it in the future, depending on how things go. As a railgun, it could be shortened so long as the rails can handle increased voltage and friction per-meter and still put out the same muzzle velocity. I also replaced the barrel from the old design to look better and to be appropriately scaled.

2. Finer detail work still needs to be done; this is just something I tossed together to see how things scaled and to get a rough approximation of the look. But that's what I'm here to ask about, since the rest of this needs to be 'filled in' with detail. Gradients and the like also still need to be added to everything except the main gun barrel.

3. The lettering will have its size increased; it was scaled to the old drawing, and will be enlarged. It's just a bit of a hassle given the various different sizes used, but it'll be done by the time the final is completed.

Proportions look good, and Im confident the detail work will bring the whole thing together.

Now this will sound odd, but whats the 7 meter rule? Ive seen it thrown around here a bit but dont know what it is exactly.

The 7 meter rule is the supposed rule that a gun cannot be longer than 7 meters before becoming unstable, and therefore unable to fire on the move. So far, I've not seen any more explanation than that.

I thought you were from THE FUTURE! - why can't your tank fly?

The NFPA is indeed far-FT, and in fact, it can fly. It has a secondary repulsor drive. But it's balanced for PMT (along with the rest of my ground force) since that's where I end up doing most of my planetside RP. Going PMT means that I can at least interact with MT nations without them getting too jumpy. For more FT-like settings, it can use a different turret with a higher-power gun, and has a shield generator and repulsor, although these are really just tacked on.

[Spirit of Hope]

MBT-01 Cerebrese

Posted this in the original thread, but this is essentially a re-done version since the old one was not to the proper scale I was aiming for, since I didn't scale the baseline image properly. The old one was an awkward 1 m = 82.2 px, while the current one is 1 m = 100 px. It's also PMT, first off.

1. Yes, I'm aware how long that gun is. It's a 150 mm L/55 railgun, and yes, I know it violates the 7 meter rule. I may or may not adjust it in the future, depending on how things go. As a railgun, it could be shortened so long as the rails can handle increased voltage and friction per-meter and still put out the same muzzle velocity. I also replaced the barrel from the old design to look better and to be appropriately scaled.

2. Finer detail work still needs to be done; this is just something I tossed together to see how things scaled and to get a rough approximation of the look. But that's what I'm here to ask about, since the rest of this needs to be 'filled in' with detail. Gradients and the like also still need to be added to everything except the main gun barrel.

3. The lettering will have its size increased; it was scaled to the old drawing, and will be enlarged. It's just a bit of a hassle given the various different sizes used, but it'll be done by the time the final is completed.

I think its good, the only comment I have to make is that I think a gun system using a railgun would be flatter, maybe oval shape instead of round. THis is because of the rails on the side of the barrel, and the rails would need to be covered at least a little bit to protect from the environment. But then again I haven;t seen any good pictures of an actual viable rail gun anywhere so I could be talking out my arse.

[The Akasha Colony]

MBT-01 Cerebrese

Posted this in the original thread, but this is essentially a re-done version since the old one was not to the proper scale I was aiming for, since I didn't scale the baseline image properly. The old one was an awkward 1 m = 82.2 px, while the current one is 1 m = 100 px. It's also PMT, first off.

1. Yes, I'm aware how long that gun is. It's a 150 mm L/55 railgun, and yes, I know it violates the 7 meter rule. I may or may not adjust it in the future, depending on how things go. As a railgun, it could be shortened so long as the rails can handle increased voltage and friction per-meter and still put out the same muzzle velocity. I also replaced the barrel from the old design to look better and to be appropriately scaled.

2. Finer detail work still needs to be done; this is just something I tossed together to see how things scaled and to get a rough approximation of the look. But that's what I'm here to ask about, since the rest of this needs to be 'filled in' with detail. Gradients and the like also still need to be added to everything except the main gun barrel.

3. The lettering will have its size increased; it was scaled to the old drawing, and will be enlarged. It's just a bit of a hassle given the various different sizes used, but it'll be done by the time the final is completed.

I think its good, the only comment I have to make is that I think a gun system using a railgun would be flatter, maybe oval shape instead of round. THis is because of the rails on the side of the barrel, and the rails would need to be covered at least a little bit to protect from the environment. But then again I haven;t seen any good pictures of an actual viable rail gun anywhere so I could be talking out my arse.

That's actually what the blue stripes on the side of the gun are for; they hold the actual rails. The shape is hard to show in a flat, 2D lineart sketch. The barrel is also 20 mm (not including the rails), for a 150 mm projectile.

[Spirit of Hope]

I think its good, the only comment I have to make is that I think a gun system using a railgun would be flatter, maybe oval shape instead of round. THis is because of the rails on the side of the barrel, and the rails would need to be covered at least a little bit to protect from the environment. But then again I haven;t seen any good pictures of an actual viable rail gun anywhere so I could be talking out my arse.

That's actually what the blue stripes on the side of the gun are for; they hold the actual rails. The shape is hard to show in a flat, 2D lineart sketch. The barrel is also 20 mm (not including the rails), for a 150 mm projectile.

So the projectile is 150 mm long and 20 mm wide, or something like that? I can understand it being hard to show the shape in 2D. You should cover and guard the rails against small arms fire if you haven't already, if the rails get damaged I would think that the gun would be basically useless.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I'm not sure what for, but most railguns are typically designed with an over-under rail arrangement. This is probably to reduce horizontal size, say for an infantry weapon.
Also note that the orientation of the rails will affect how the system operates. If you take a railgun with over-under rails and then move the rails sideways without changing any of the other power features, it will no longer function. Side-by-side rails require a different powerpack arrangement than an over-under due to the direction of the magnetic field.

A side-by-side arrangement would possibly be preferable to a turret-mounted large-calibre weapon, as it would less impede elevation.

[Immoren]

Is 7 meter rule only due to metallurgical constrains, or is it more about that over that length barrel hinders maneuvering too much?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

General strength of something that long.
Going forty miles an hour over rough ground can do something terrible to long, thin protuberances such as gun barrels. Firing on the move with those kind of stresses could potentially tear the gun asunder.

[The Akasha Colony]

That's actually what the blue stripes on the side of the gun are for; they hold the actual rails. The shape is hard to show in a flat, 2D lineart sketch. The barrel is also 20 mm (not including the rails), for a 150 mm projectile.

So the projectile is 150 mm long and 20 mm wide, or something like that? I can understand it being hard to show the shape in 2D. You should cover and guard the rails against small arms fire if you haven't already, if the rails get damaged I would think that the gun would be basically useless.

Sorry, that was the wrong term. It's a 150 mm projectile in diameter, the barrel is 20 pixels, which means 20 cm (the scale is 1 cm:1 px). Theoretically, the longest projectile is a full 1 meter, although these are saboted so the caliber is smaller. There are also a number of shorter, 70 x 500 mm rounds for use against lighter vehicles and tanks. In conjunction with the visual update, I'm updating the specs as well, which haven't been seriously updated in a few years.

The rails themselves are covered against standard small-arms fire. I'm presently trying to look into a cooling system for the barrel, and how that would be depicted. The gun was designed from the ground-up for horizontal rail arrangement.

Is 7 meter rule only due to metallurgical constrains, or is it more about that over that length barrel hinders maneuvering too much?

What Samozaryadnyastan said. Gun barrels tend to get wobbly and rather elastic when they get that long. I handwaved it here because of lolPMT considerations, but those same considerations could allow me to make the gun shorter as well.

[Spirit of Hope]

Sorry, that was the wrong term. It's a 150 mm projectile in diameter, the barrel is 20 pixels, which means 20 cm (the scale is 1 cm:1 px). Theoretically, the longest projectile is a full 1 meter, although these are saboted so the caliber is smaller. There are also a number of shorter, 70 x 500 mm rounds for use against lighter vehicles and tanks. In conjunction with the visual update, I'm updating the specs as well, which haven't been seriously updated in a few years.

The rails themselves are covered against standard small-arms fire. I'm presently trying to look into a cooling system for the barrel, and how that would be depicted. The gun was designed from the ground-up for horizontal rail arrangement.

I don't know if you would need a 150mm rail gun, even in a PMT tank. I would think that a regular 150mm gun, or maybe an ETC system would have enough, the railgun could be much smaller and because of the higher velocities still get a kill.

[Bajireyn]

Although I like Rroan and certainly don't want to see her banned, the chances of this being over turned are slim to nil. She was told to stop complaining but she continued; a ban might have been a bit harsh but it was at least justified. Posting past the ban is much harder to argue. Not going to get lifted.

More concerning is how moderation handled this issue and in particular, their conduct towards players who raise issues.

True. I don't think the mods realised at the time that the regulars in the YNMBT and MMW threads had basically formed their own subculture with our own unwritten code of conduct who were pretty capable of self-governing and only called on the Mods when a flamewar broke out. Left to our own devices, the double-thread situation would probably have rectified itself by now with everyone just going to one thread.

If mod intervention was necessary, the better action might have been to lock the other thread but since the mods didn't know about the gentleman's agreement we had that Sen would be making the new thread (just as recognition for her contributions, not saying that she owned the thread), they wouldn't know that was the best course. Unfortunately, there wasn't much that could be done once the threads were merged, although the subsequent locking of the megathread seems fairly nonsensical since it just left a sour taste in everyone's mouth, prompting Sen's tantrum and ban. Not saying it's the mods' fault that she had a hissy fit; I'm just explaining what led to it.

So I wouldn't actually say the mods screwed up (except maybe in locking and making the new thread) as in any other situation their actions would have been correct. The fact that intervention here was probably unnecessary wouldn't have been apparent to anyone unless they spent a lot of time in the threads.

Wait, Senestrum got DEATed?

[Crookfur]

Like slopes? we got slopes:



aka fancy tag with a T14A2 piccy

[Novariea]

The Main Battle Tank of Novariea is the Challenger 2.

[Ularn]

Okay, I'll try and stop spamming this thread for a while now

Another picture because I detailed the jet intakes and started properly on the cannon

I went for a horizontal arrangement for the rails purely because my turret has limited vertical space and having them vertically would reduce how high or low the gun could elevate by quite a bit.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The Main Battle Tank of Novariea is the Challenger 2.

(Image)

That upgrade package looks schweeeeeeeeeeeeet

[The Corparation]

Kinda tag: I use the Challenger 2 until I finish my jets and start on making armored vehicles.

Okay, I'll try and stop spamming this thread for a while now

Another picture because I detailed the jet intakes and started properly on the cannon

I went for a horizontal arrangement for the rails purely because my turret has limited vertical space and having them vertically would reduce how high or low the gun could elevate by quite a bit.

Aww no porn file open this time.

[The Akasha Colony]

Sorry, that was the wrong term. It's a 150 mm projectile in diameter, the barrel is 20 pixels, which means 20 cm (the scale is 1 cm:1 px). Theoretically, the longest projectile is a full 1 meter, although these are saboted so the caliber is smaller. There are also a number of shorter, 70 x 500 mm rounds for use against lighter vehicles and tanks. In conjunction with the visual update, I'm updating the specs as well, which haven't been seriously updated in a few years.

The rails themselves are covered against standard small-arms fire. I'm presently trying to look into a cooling system for the barrel, and how that would be depicted. The gun was designed from the ground-up for horizontal rail arrangement.

I don't know if you would need a 150mm rail gun, even in a PMT tank. I would think that a regular 150mm gun, or maybe an ETC system would have enough, the railgun could be much smaller and because of the higher velocities still get a kill.

It's a main-battle tank rather than a tank-hunter, so it still needs to be able to fire a useful HE shell, as well as a few others. In particular, cluster-mine shells are commonly used, which basically combine the roles of top-attack EFP munitions plus the ability to lay minefields quickly. Since the KEPs are guided, another player suggested to me the possibility of launching multiple sub-caliber KEPs in a single shot and then letting them hit individual targets.

[Azahdi]

The primary battle tank of the Azahdi Self Defense Force is the Asad Babil variant of the T-72. The Lion of Babylon for you all who don't speak Arabic.

[Spirit of Hope]

I don't know if you would need a 150mm rail gun, even in a PMT tank. I would think that a regular 150mm gun, or maybe an ETC system would have enough, the railgun could be much smaller and because of the higher velocities still get a kill.

It's a main-battle tank rather than a tank-hunter, so it still needs to be able to fire a useful HE shell, as well as a few others. In particular, cluster-mine shells are commonly used, which basically combine the roles of top-attack EFP munitions plus the ability to lay minefields quickly. Since the KEPs are guided, another player suggested to me the possibility of launching multiple sub-caliber KEPs in a single shot and then letting them hit individual targets.

Which is something I realized after I wrote and submitted my post.
PMT I don't invasion my nation having tanks, tank hunters with rail guns yes, but not tanks. This does with some PMT/FT stuff like powered armor and supper mortar shells.

[United Districts of 1]

KMV-12 Chimera
The KMV-12 is based on the chassis of the well-known T-72 MBT which is used in large numbers by the Russian Army and has been manufactured under license by many other countries. The rear of the driver's compartment, at the front of the vehicle, has been raised, providing greater internal volume. A new mount is equipped with two 30 mm 2A42 dual-feed cannons with a cyclic rate of fire of up to 600 rds/min. A total of 850 rounds of ready use ammunition can be carried. The cannon can fire a wide range of ammunition types including: High Explosive - Tracer (HE-T), Armour-piercing discarding sabot (APDS), High Explosive Fragmentation (HE-FRAG) and Armor-Piercing - Tracer (AP-T). A 7.62 mm machine gun is mounted coaxially with the main armament. A total of four launchers for the Ataka-T anti-tank guided weapon (ATGW) which can fire various types of warhead, are mounted on either side of the main armament. These include a tandem HEAT warhead to defeat targets fitted with explosive reactive armour. To enable targets to be engaged under day and night conditions when the KMV-12 is stationary or moving, a computerized fire-control system is fitted. It uses proven elements from those fitted to the T-90S series MBT. The commander is equipped with a panoramic sight B07-K1, the gunner has a B07-K2 sight with optical and thermal channels and a LRF. The two operators for the AG-17D each have an “Agat-MR” day/night sight. As an option, the KMV-12 can be fitted with mine-clearing devices such as the KMT-7 or KMT-8. T-72 tanks can be converted into KMV-12.

[Bajireyn]

The Mk.7A-3M Dragon II

Unfinished,thoughts?

(80% of the tank belongs to Risen Britannia)