Should Students be Expelled for Religious/Sexual Beliefs?

[Kreanoltha]

If they follow her advice then they're much less likely to get AIDS.

1) Condoms exist. They work well.

The HIV virus is small enough to get through the rubber of the condom plus condoms break.

[You-Gi-Owe]

This is from World Net Daily, a "publication" to which I give no credence whatsoever. I don't believe a single thing they say.

If you don't believe the source, find an alternate source.
I chose this as the supporting article because I first saw the story on the O'Rielly Factor, which I imagine that you hold in the same regard as WND

[Unhealthy2]

Just another example of the double-standard of "tolerance". Christians have to sit down and shut up about there beliefs or they are "intolerant" and "bigoted" while homosexuals can shove their immoral lifestyle choices down everyone's throat and they are "inclusive" and "celebrating diversity". HA!

1) There's no double standard because there's no equivalence between homosexuality and Christianity. One is clearly an idea that you choose to accept by choosing to neglect epistemology. The other is related in a very involuntary manner to brain wiring and chemistry. In other words, unlike being involuntary sexual attraction, Christianity really is a choice.

2) How are homosexuals "shoving" their lifestyle upon you? Are they trying to force you to be gay? Are they trying to outlaw straight marriage? Are the Texas Republicans considering passing laws against heterosexual intercourse? Oh wait no, that's all shit many heterosexuals are trying to do to gays. Projection much?

3) Blanket tolerance is stupid. Only certain things should be tolerated, and the tolerance for each can be justified rationally.

[Marcurix]

the right to freedom of speech and religion as defined by the US constiution will end this rather quickly.

[Bramborska]

What if she gets attacked by terrorists?

Er, what if an asteroid hits the Earth and destroys all her potential clientele?

Yeah, because those have a very similar probability to counseling Christians with repressed homosexual desires.

Not all Christians are as fervent about spreading and converting others to their faith as atheists are.

I imagine that there's a far cry between saying "I'd rather not interact with homosexuals in my professional/personal life" and "I think I'm going to a re-education camp and start psychologically destroying homosexuals." Equally, there's a far cry between talking about what could happen, and what has happened.

[Barringtonia]

This is just like when I was told I could not get my driving license when I turned up for the test drunk citing my belief that I drive better after a drink or two.

What a travesty!

[Jimanistan]

Referring to the story linked by the OP specifically, I don't think school administrators have any right to expel students for being ignorant.

More generally, I suppose what the student says/does matters far more than what they believe. If they are spouting anti-gay rhetoric or harassing homosexual students, then maybe some sort of discipline would be called for...

[Kreanoltha]

Just another example of the double-standard of "tolerance". Christians have to sit down and shut up about there beliefs or they are "intolerant" and "bigoted" while homosexuals can shove their immoral lifestyle choices down everyone's throat and they are "inclusive" and "celebrating diversity". HA!

1) There's no double standard because there's no equivalence between homosexuality and Christianity. One is clearly an idea that you choose to accept by choosing to neglect epistemology. The other is related in a very involuntary manner to brain wiring and chemistry. In other words, unlike being involuntary sexual attraction, Christianity really is a choice.

2) How are homosexuals "shoving" their lifestyle upon you? Are they trying to force you to be gay? Are they trying to outlaw straight marriage? Are the Texas Republicans considering passing laws against heterosexual intercourse? Oh wait no, that's all shit many heterosexuals are trying to do to gays. Projection much?

3) Blanket tolerance is stupid. Only certain things should be tolerated, and the tolerance for each can be justified rationally.

So then if I believe that Christianity is the only way to achieve eternal salvation I shouldn't be tolerated because I believe that homosexuality is an abomination? But if I think that being gay is a good way to get attention I should be tolerated? That's not a double standard at all.

[Unhealthy2]

The HIV virus is small enough to get through the rubber of the condom plus condoms break.

"Laboratory studies have shown that latex condoms provide an effective barrier against even the smallest STD pathogens."

http://www.thebody.com/content/art51354.html

"Condoms hardly ever break if they are stored and used correctly. Studies show that latex condoms break only about 0.4% (4 out of 1000) of the time during the first five uses, and "

http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/maleco ... ives1.html

Yes both are cited. Yes, both were attained in under 10 seconds each with a Google search.

Of course condoms don't work 100% of the time. However, they are very effective. Like I said, if you're that worried, just don't have sex at all. If you choose to have sex, don't think you're off Scot free because you're heterosexual.

[Barringtonia]

Referring to the story linked by the OP specifically, I don't think school administrators have any right to expel students for being ignorant.

They didn't, they're not allowing her to complete a course in counseling where she does not accept homosexuality as anything but a sinful choice nor will she provide unbiased advice on abortions.

Essentially, those disqualify her from being a counsellor, and rightly so.

[You-Gi-Owe]

Referring to the story linked by the OP specifically, I don't think school administrators have any right to expel students for being ignorant.

More generally, I suppose what the student says/does matters far more than what they believe. If they are spouting anti-gay rhetoric or harassing homosexual students, then maybe some sort of discipline would be called for...

Is there room for an academic discussion? Can the disagreements, if put forth politely, be admitted into civil discussion or is the mere difference in point of view offensive?

[Bramborska]

Referring to the story linked by the OP specifically, I don't think school administrators have any right to expel students for being ignorant.

More generally, I suppose what the student says/does matters far more than what they believe. If they are spouting anti-gay rhetoric or harassing homosexual students, then maybe some sort of discipline would be called for...

I'm not apart of any college admissions panel, much less Augusta University's admissions team, but I suspect that if there was a history of anti-gay rhetoric, not to mention gay harassment, then the individual in question wouldn't have made it through the front door.

[Lacadaemon]

Hmm, hard to say. If there really are such things as xtain counselors with similar views (whatever the fuck a counselor is) and they are recognized & licensed in Georgia by the "Georgia Counselor Licensing Thingy" then the school should probably STFU, since its a state institution and has to respect everyone's lunacy.

But if this is just some purely academic degree type thingy, then I guess the school can decide whatever it wants as the criteria for the degree, as long as that particular brand of lunacy is consistent.

I'm globally externally skeptical about the whole thing though.

[Kreanoltha]

Referring to the story linked by the OP specifically, I don't think school administrators have any right to expel students for being ignorant.

More generally, I suppose what the student says/does matters far more than what they believe. If they are spouting anti-gay rhetoric or harassing homosexual students, then maybe some sort of discipline would be called for...

But she wasn't. She was just saying, and I agree, that homosexuality is a choice instead of a problem with neuro-chemical connections. That's a far cry from beating gays don't you think?

[Kreanoltha]

They didn't, they're not allowing her to complete a course in counseling where she does not accept homosexuality as anything but a sinful choice nor will she provide unbiased advice on abortions.

Essentially, those disqualify her from being a counsellor, and rightly so.

I'd imagine that the majority of people would have a hard time with that.

[Conserative Morality]

I'd imagine that the majority of people would have a hard time with that.

The majority of people would also have trouble with getting into Harvard.

[Gordonopia]

Just another example of the double-standard of "tolerance". Christians have to sit down and shut up about there beliefs or they are "intolerant" and "bigoted" while homosexuals can shove their immoral lifestyle choices down everyone's throat and they are "inclusive" and "celebrating diversity". HA!

1) There's no double standard because there's no equivalence between homosexuality and Christianity. One is clearly an idea that you choose to accept by choosing to neglect epistemology. The other is related in a very involuntary manner to brain wiring and chemistry. In other words, unlike being involuntary sexual attraction, Christianity really is a choice.

2) How are homosexuals "shoving" their lifestyle upon you? Are they trying to force you to be gay? Are they trying to outlaw straight marriage? Are the Texas Republicans considering passing laws against heterosexual intercourse? Oh wait no, that's all shit many heterosexuals are trying to do to gays. Projection much?

3) Blanket tolerance is stupid. Only certain things should be tolerated, and the tolerance for each can be justified rationally.

1) Really? I'm sorry to burst your little PC bubble, but homosexuality really is a choice. Individuals choose the behavior that they are going to engage in and with whom. I know that this is a common liberal talking point, but it really is not valid.

2) Gays are pushing there agenda in all areas of public life, especially in public schools and in the political arena. There are numerous examples of schools celebrating the homosexual lifestyle and attempting to indoctrinate kids into believing that homosexuality is just as normal and fulfilling as heterosexuality. In American culture today, Christianity is being scrubbed from the public sector because of bogus Establishment Clause claims and is being replaced with the not so values neutral teachings of Secular Humanism and Postmodernism. If you don't support homosexuality, you are labeled as "bigoted" and "ignorant". That is how homosexuals are forcing their lifestlye down everyone's throat.

3) True. But it doesn't make it right.

[Jimanistan]

But she wasn't. She was just saying, and I agree, that homosexuality is a choice instead of a problem with neuro-chemical connections. That's a far cry from beating gays don't you think?

Which was why I said I wasn't so sure expulsion in this case was warranted.

[Unhealthy2]

Not all Christians are as fervent about spreading and converting others to their faith as atheists are.

Why don't you look at the number of billboards for Christianity vs. the number of Christians, the same for atheists, look at the number of proposed bills to encourage or enforce atheism vs. the number to encourage or enforce Christianity, and some other stats and then we can talk about who's trying harder to convert whom, and who's just trying to assert their legitimacy in a society that considers them subhuman.

I imagine that there's a far cry between saying "I'd rather not interact with homosexuals in my professional/personal life" and "I think I'm going to a re-education camp and start psychologically destroying homosexuals."

Look at those strawmen burn! I never said she would try to start a re-education camp. Let me use your own stupid line against you. There's a far cry between starting a re-education camp and giving bad psychological advise.

Equally, there's a far cry between talking about what could happen, and what has happened.

But not so much with what will very likely happen. There are Christians with closet homosexual desires. They aren't a hypothetical kind of person. They are real. They also have psychological problems just like everyone else. In fact, the repressed sexuality often causes them to have MORE problems, and thus they would be more likely to seek counseling than average. They also often seek counseling RELATED to "correcting" their gayness. These people exist. They are not a fantasy. This is not some wild-eyed shit here.

[Bramborska]

I'd imagine that the majority of people would have a hard time with that.

The majority of people would also have trouble with getting into Harvard.

The majority of people don't go to local community colleges.

[Conserative Morality]

1) Really? I'm sorry to burst your little PC bubble, but homosexuality really is a choice. Individuals choose the behavior that they are going to engage in and with whom. I know that this is a common liberal talking point, but it really is not valid.

Inform yourself.

[Caninope]

Referring to the story linked by the OP specifically, I don't think school administrators have any right to expel students for being ignorant.

They didn't, they're not allowing her to complete a course in counseling where she does not accept homosexuality as anything but a sinful choice nor will she provide unbiased advice on abortions.

Essentially, those disqualify her from being a counsellor, and rightly so.

You come to counselors for advice- if you know she feels that way, then don't go to them. It she thinks it's a choice, then she can think that.

A rather extreme example of something similar would be asking a racist friend for advice. If you didn't want racist advice, don't go to the racist friend. With all this said, I don't really see what she did that was so bad.

[Kreanoltha]

1) Really? I'm sorry to burst your little PC bubble, but homosexuality really is a choice. Individuals choose the behavior that they are going to engage in and with whom. I know that this is a common liberal talking point, but it really is not valid.

2) Gays are pushing there agenda in all areas of public life, especially in public schools and in the political arena. There are numerous examples of schools celebrating the homosexual lifestyle and attempting to indoctrinate kids into believing that homosexuality is just as normal and fulfilling as heterosexuality. In American culture today, Christianity is being scrubbed from the public sector because of bogus Establishment Clause claims and is being replaced with the not so values neutral teachings of Secular Humanism and Postmodernism. If you don't support homosexuality, you are labeled as "bigoted" and "ignorant". That is how homosexuals are forcing their lifestlye down everyone's throat.

3) True. But it doesn't make it right.

Oh thank God! Someone who isn't a radical lefty!

[Conserative Morality]

The majority of people don't go to local community colleges.

So we're in agreement that 'The majority has trouble with/does not' is not a valid argument, right?

[Barringtonia]

I'd imagine that the majority of people would have a hard time with that.

The majority of people would also have trouble with getting into Harvard.

The majority of people don't go to local community colleges.

So what?

Despite the terrible journalism on the part of the OP, which paints this as some anti-Christian crusade, the simple fact is that if you don't meet the criteria for a particular course then you don't meet it.

I, as a student, don't get to define the terms on which I pass or do not pass a course.

Jennifer Keeton wants to be a school counselor. But she doesn't want to work with gay people unless she can convert them.

And now she's suing for the right to be let loose into the world as a renegade social worker rescuing those gays.

I'm sorry, but you can't just choose how you engage with these things, she can become a bishop if she wants to rescue gay people on behalf of the church, oh wait, she can't, yet another friendly piece of exclusion brought to you by the church.