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Company town - a model of private city

Postby Sumadia-Belgrade » Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:36 am

I'm personally interested in the ideas of Libertarianism and Anarcho-Capitalism, and as such, I found a term called Company town. I'll start this topic with the broad definition of the term, and try to place examples and other ideas connected to it, and that are similar to it. I'll also try to look into continuing this topic with my personal ideas and thinking regarding this model of cities.

I invite everyone to participate in this discussion and to share their ideas with me regarding the Company towns and other Libertarian ideas, as I'll see to start some other topics that I have interest in.

A company town is a place where practically all stores and housing are owned by the one company that is also the main employer. Company towns are often planned with a suite of amenities such as stores, houses of worship, schools, markets and recreation facilities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town

Some company towns have had high ideals, but many have been regarded as controlling and/or exploitative. Others developed more or less in unplanned fashion, such as Summit Hill, Pennsylvania, United States, one of the oldest, which began as a Lehigh Coal & Navigation Company mining camp and mine site nine miles (14.5 km) from the nearest outside road.

Traditional settings for company towns were where extractive industries – coal, metal mines, lumber – had established a monopoly franchise. Dam sites and war-industry camps founded other company towns. Since company stores often had a monopoly in company towns, it was often possible to pay in scrip through a truck system, although not all company towns engaged in this particular practice. In the Soviet Union there were several cities of nuclear scientists (atomics) known as atomgrad; particularly in Ukraine those were Pripyat, Varash, Yuzhnoukrainsk among others.

The company town, a settlement completely owned, built and operated by an individual or corporate entrepreneur, is essentially a temporary pioneering device, especially suited to conditions obtaining in nations undergoing rapid economic development. In economic pioneering the town is used to open up previously unexploited territory. As a method of social pioneering it is a means of uplifting and moulding the worker through the socio-religious ideals of the philanthropic industrialist. In both cases, however, the town's raison d'être is the lack of initiative on the part of non-company private enterprise or local government in providing a total infrastructure for the new community. Coming into existence by default, the company town throve after the late eighteenth century in western Europe and areas of white colonial settlement, and, to a lesser extent, in their political and economic colonies. In general, extractive company towns have been the product of economic pioneering, and manufacturing towns of socio-economic forces. A typology of the company town includes some discussion of its characteristic social, economic and political features. Urban form and planning are considered in detail; the deliberate company policy of residential segregation by class is illustrated by a case-study. With the reduction of social and political isolation through the widespread use of air and motor transport and the rise of welfare state policies, the company town has tended to disappear in advanced economies. It still finds expression, however, in remote regions and in developing economies, whether imposed by Western capitalism or of indigenous origin, as in Japan. https://www.jstor.org/stable/621766
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Postby Emotional Support Crocodile » Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:48 am

Truck systems are terrible, they are just an excuse to overcharge the workers for everything until they are barely more than a slave.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:00 am

Haul 16 tons and what'dya get? Another day over and deeper in debt.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sun Feb 04, 2024 10:01 am

Emotional Support Crocodile wrote:Truck systems are terrible, they are just an excuse to overcharge the workers for everything until they are barely more than a slave.

As historically practiced, yeah, but that is not different from any collective close loop system.
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Postby Technoscience Leftwing » Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:08 am

For some reason, I immediately remembered the city of Norilsk, with its city-forming nickel plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk
But it was built, it seems, not by anarchist-libertarians at all, but by prisoners of Norillag. :-(
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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:20 am

As a freedom-loving capitalist, I too believe an undemocratic government should be in charge of the entire economy. If anyone can find a country that still practices this today, I would love to spend the rest of my life there.
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Postby Kerwa » Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:29 am

Technoscience Leftwing wrote:For some reason, I immediately remembered the city of Norilsk, with its city-forming nickel plant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk
But it was built, it seems, not by anarchist-libertarians at all, but by prisoners of Norillag. :-(
It is very cold there.


I watched a documentary on that. Fascinating place. What struck me was how well the modular system panel housing held up - given the weather conditions - compared to the UK. Different types of corruption I suppose.

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Postby Mutualist Chaos » Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:47 am

Literally the only parts of the OP you wrote yourself are:

Sumadia-Belgrade wrote:I'm personally interested in the ideas of Libertarianism and Anarcho-Capitalism, and as such, I found a term called Company town. I'll start this topic with the broad definition of the term, and try to place examples and other ideas connected to it, and that are similar to it. I'll also try to look into continuing this topic with my personal ideas and thinking regarding this model of cities.

I invite everyone to participate in this discussion and to share their ideas with me regarding the Company towns and other Libertarian ideas, as I'll see to start some other topics that I have interest in.


But OK, I'll bite: Company towns are incompatible with individual freedom except for those individuals who happen to be on the company board or otherwise in the ownership class. Your academic citation begins its argument with a sentence that is simply false ("Private estates have existed in some form since man first began to cultivate the ground..."), whatever merit it may have in succeeding pages. There is always an incentive for the company to charge inflated prices for necessary goods, thus acting as a hidden form of wage theft. In addition the mandate (or at least strong incentive) that workers for a company live in its town makes it impossible for them to exercise what market power they have to buy their necessities (or even rent homes) anywhere else. The company town is a miniature state only without even the thin veneer of the state's obligation to provide, in some fashion, for all its citizens on an openly-defined basis. A libertarian justifying company towns is as self-contradictory as the alleged ideas of "anarcho"-capitalism itself.
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sun Feb 04, 2024 11:51 am

El Lazaro wrote:As a freedom-loving capitalist, I too believe an undemocratic government should be in charge of the entire economy. If anyone can find a country that still practices this today, I would love to spend the rest of my life there.

"Undemocratic" is a point of view.
Mine starts with the arbitrary redistribution of earnings whose long game will not ultimately benefit anyone after it has settled into a decidedly unmerited administration of the lowest common denominators.
Many of which that could have benefited their peers more greatly, otherwise.
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Postby El Lazaro » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:33 pm

Corporate Collective Salvation wrote:
El Lazaro wrote:As a freedom-loving capitalist, I too believe an undemocratic government should be in charge of the entire economy. If anyone can find a country that still practices this today, I would love to spend the rest of my life there.

"Undemocratic" is a point of view.
Mine starts with the arbitrary redistribution of earnings whose long game will not ultimately benefit anyone after it has settled into a decidedly unmerited administration of the lowest common denominators.
Many of which that could have benefited their peers more greatly, otherwise.

Woah woah woah there, you’re making it sound like commie-nism. Surely there is a big gap between this and Marxist hellholes like Cuba.
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Postby Trump Almighty » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:46 pm

A company town is a place where practically all stores and housing are owned by the one company that is also the main employer. Company towns are often planned with a suite of amenities such as stores, houses of worship, schools, markets and recreation facilities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town


This is fake news! The main focus of capitalism is the Beautiful Free Market, which involves competition so the companies who provide the best product earn the most money, not some Dirty Monopoly. All Americans support the free market except for those in Commie-Socialist California

What you are describing is Corporatocracy, or as I call it Lemon Socialism. It’s when the government intervenes in the Free Market to prop up a select few corporations and squash all of the others. And they are usually run by Leftist billionaires like Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett. Sad!
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Postby Corporate Collective Salvation » Sun Feb 04, 2024 12:51 pm

El Lazaro wrote:Woah woah woah there, you’re making it sound like commie-nism. Surely there is a big gap between this and Marxist hellholes like Cuba.

Depends on the mix ratios of Marx, Hell, and how many holes you dig making your bones about it.
Not that the crony capitalism of quasi fascist models are any less a problem.
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Postby Almighty Biden » Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:40 pm

company towns are a bad idea... its like... socialism but run by a corporation
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:47 pm

Ifreann wrote:Haul 16 tons and what'dya get? Another day over and deeper in debt.

Ah, a man of culture...
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 04, 2024 3:58 pm

Ifreann wrote:Haul 16 tons and what'dya get? Another day over and deeper in debt.


St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store
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It's almost like some folks have never opened a history book.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:30 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Haul 16 tons and what'dya get? Another day over and deeper in debt.


St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Can we do "Shotgun Boogie" next?
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Feb 04, 2024 4:58 pm

Ifreann wrote:Haul 16 tons and what'dya get? Another day over and deeper in debt.

Saint Peter dontcha call me 'cause I can't go.... I owe my soul to the comp'ny store!

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:00 pm

Fractalnavel wrote:It's almost like some folks have never opened a history book.

Of course not! Learnin' is liberal!

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:01 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
St. Peter, don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Can we do "Shotgun Boogie" next?


Sort of applies, they don't sell squirrel at the company store

There it stands in the corner with the barrel so straight
I looked out the window and over the gate
The big, fat rabbits are a-jumpin' in the grass
Wait'll they hear my old shotgun blast
Shotgun Boogie, I done saw your tracks
Look out Mr. Rabbit when I cock my hammer back

Well, over on the ridge is a scaly bark
Hick'ry nuts so big you can see 'em in the dark
The big fat squirrels they scratch and they bite
I'll be on that ridge before daylight
Shotgun Boogie, all I need is one shot
Look out bushy tail, tonight you'll be in the pot
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Katganistan wrote:
Fractalnavel wrote:It's almost like some folks have never opened a history book.

Of course not! Learnin' is liberal!

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Postby Ifreann » Sun Feb 04, 2024 5:47 pm

Fractalnavel wrote:It's almost like some folks have never opened a history book.

Or heard a song.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Feb 04, 2024 6:15 pm

I am still sympathetic to many libertarian ideals. But I am very much not a fan of the "company town." It just seems like feudalism.

I think a "company town" seems like the apotheosis of monopoly. An entire city owned by a single person. The thing about libertarianism I always found alluring is the freedom and self-determination that it promises. But having an entire town owned by a single entity is the opposite of freedom or self-determination, it's feudalism.
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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:I am still sympathetic to many libertarian ideals. But I am very much not a fan of the "company town." It just seems like feudalism.

I think a "company town" seems like the apotheosis of monopoly. An entire city owned by a single person. The thing about libertarianism I always found alluring is the freedom and self-determination that it promises. But having an entire town owned by a single entity is the opposite of freedom or self-determination, it's feudalism.

Quite right.
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Postby Sumadia-Belgrade » Mon Feb 05, 2024 12:22 am

Decline of American company towns
By the 1920s, the need for company towns had declined significantly due to increased national affluence.[citation needed] Despite income inequalities and a relatively low standard of living conditions amongst factory laborers, the prosperity of the 1920s saw workers’ material well-being improve significantly. A strong post-war American economy meant installment buying was accessible to low-wage earners who could now purchase previously unattainable goods like automobiles and radios. Moreover, workers were no longer dependent on employers for healthcare and education.

By the 1920s, the wide spread of the automobile meant workers no longer needed to live near their work places, and now had access to more employment opportunities. A combination of the freedom that came with private transport and the mass communication of radio saw the isolation of company towns lessen, and the social basis of the company town become less necessary.

Furthermore, the accessibility of private transport to the working class was a step toward equality, as private transport had previously only been accessible to the wealthy. As access to surrounding municipalities increased, residents of company towns gained access to an increasing amount of government-funded public resources such as schools, libraries, and parks. Accordingly, there was no longer a need for the amenities of company towns which, prior to welfare capitalism, had previously been unattainable to the working class.

This new-found freedom saw a change in the mindset of workers, who began to look on welfare capitalism as demeaning rather than an incentive. Accordingly, many employees began to request additional pay in lieu of welfare programs. This was well received by some employers as the idea of ‘laissez-faire’ individualism, which promoted entrepreneurial virtues of hard work being rewarded rather than direct charity, began to shape new-age paternalism.

Modernization and the increase in material well-being had also lessened the perceived need for paternalism and moral reform. Consequently, the economic downturn of the early 1930s saw some businesses do away with employee welfare schemes to reduce costs. However, the Roosevelt administration's New Deal dealt the final blow to end American company towns by raising minimum wages, encouraging industrial self-governance, and pushing for the owners of company towns to "consider the question of plans for eventual employee ownership of homes".  To a lesser extent the New Deal also reduced the need for employee housing by transforming housing finance to a lower-interest, lower-deposit system, making home ownership more accessible to the working class. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town
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