2024 U.S.A. Presidential Election Thread

[Bombadil]

You do know you're responding to a shitposting account, right?

shhh! don't tell them!

I know Algie, but even shitposters can bother with basic reading comprehension.

[El Lazaro]

no we all know you're lying because president trump was not mentioned in mein kampf

Maybe you need to run through this site before you try harder words such as 'abridged'.

when did bridges get involved here

[Bombadil]

Maybe you need to run through this site before you try harder words such as 'abridged'.

when did bridges get involved here

Despite all that, technically I’m probably wrong.. abridged isn’t the same as based on.. tough day..

[Page]

If Joe Exotic actually ends up on my ballot I may well vote for him for the lulz. I'm fucking sick of this abusive relationship with the Democratic Party and the whole "if you don't vote for us you get fascism" shit.

[Celritannia]

That would make a lot of sense. Break it down into tiers such as:
Employment assistance (those who are employed but struggling or working and disabled),
Unemployment Assistance (unemployed)
Social Assistance (unfit to be employed)
Child Support (parents and guardians who have children, which would vary depending on how much extra support a child needs).

One thing I never truly understood was food stamps. IT sounds so demeaning to just get allocated practically a ration card and can only buy specific things.


Fucking neolibs.

I mean, food stamps are rather useful if someone is struggling with the ability to afford food, and I can see the logic in disqualifying restaurants from the program. But when you go into the welfare office to tell them you cannot pay for your electricity, and they give you food stamps, that's not any help at all.

It makes more sense for welfare support to be actual money.

[Ifreann]

I mean, food stamps are rather useful if someone is struggling with the ability to afford food, and I can see the logic in disqualifying restaurants from the program. But when you go into the welfare office to tell them you cannot pay for your electricity, and they give you food stamps, that's not any help at all.

It makes more sense for welfare support to be actual money.

But if you just give people money then they might spend it!

[Stellar Colonies]

If Joe Exotic actually ends up on my ballot I may well vote for him for the lulz. I'm fucking sick of this abusive relationship with the Democratic Party and the whole "if you don't vote for us you get fascism" shit.

But Page, the mantra:

Vote Blue No Matter Who

[Floofybit]

If Joe Exotic actually ends up on my ballot I may well vote for him for the lulz. I'm fucking sick of this abusive relationship with the Democratic Party and the whole "if you don't vote for us you get fascism" shit.

But Page, the mantra:

Vote Blue No Matter Who

Whatever floats your boat but... That's a terrible mantra. At least it rhymes

[Bradfordville]

If Joe Exotic actually ends up on my ballot I may well vote for him for the lulz. I'm fucking sick of this abusive relationship with the Democratic Party and the whole "if you don't vote for us you get fascism" shit.

But Page, the mantra:

Vote Blue No Matter Who

I'm tired of living in a country where parties run less on what your country can do for you, and more on what the other party (who is literally satan) will do to you if God forbid you don't vote for the party standing against them. This is not how politics should be.

[Ryemarch]

But Page, the mantra:

Vote Blue No Matter Who

Whatever floats your boat but... That's a terrible mantra. At least it rhymes

It is a terrible mantra, but when one's viable choices are the party that wants to make sure all fourth graders have food to eat or the party that wants to force fourth-graders to carry their rapist's babies to term, it's the best mantra available.

What I wouldn't give for more options being viable...

[The Rio Grande River Basin]

Where is the option for "Throw all the politicians in a pit, set them on fire, and let the fire rule the country"?

Oh... and lob all the board members of every major corporation in there too. They're basically the same thing.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 4yTk8rUmn1

[Floofybit]

But Page, the mantra:

Vote Blue No Matter Who

I'm tired of living in a country where parties run less on what your country can do for you, and more on what the other party (who is literally satan) will do to you if God forbid you don't vote for the party standing against them. This is not how politics should be.

Wasn't it George Washington that said political parties will just lead to trouble?

[Bradfordville]

What really makes me struggle not to scream is just how many Americans fail to realize that politics is mostly local. If you're pro choice, you'd be better off having an anti abortion president and pro choice state legislature than having a pro choice president and a legislature that doesn't like abortion. Joe biden is pro choice but there isn't much he can do when the state of Alabama takes advantage of the end of Roe to completely roll back reproductive rights. The president is not a benevolent tyrant. He doesn't just declare law like a king and his job is really not to decide all local level policies. So I think national elections are pretty overrated overall, but local elections can be extremely important. And when you put together all local election, the sum of their parts is greater than any national election.

But this is America. A country where millions of people lack knowledge about how the society they live in operates.

[Shrillland]

What really makes me struggle not to scream is just how many Americans fail to realize that politics is mostly local. If you're pro choice, you'd be better off having an anti abortion president and pro choice state legislature than having a pro choice president and a legislature that doesn't like abortion. Joe biden is pro choice but there isn't much he can do when the state of Alabama takes advantage of the end of Roe to completely roll back reproductive rights. The president is not a benevolent tyrant. He doesn't just declare law like a king and his job is really not to decide all local level policies. So I think national elections are pretty overrated overall, but local elections can be extremely important. And when you put together all local election, the sum of their parts is greater than any national election.

But this is America. A country where millions of people lack knowledge about how the society they live in operates.

It's not that people fail to realise it as much as the realisation makes them lose even more faith. Local politics is far more homogenous, and dissent harder to foment.

[American Legionaries]

But Page, the mantra:

Vote Blue No Matter Who

I'm tired of living in a country where parties run less on what your country can do for you, and more on what the other party (who is literally satan) will do to you if God forbid you don't vote for the party standing against them. This is not how politics should be.

This is how politics has always been, though. And likely always will be.

[Bradfordville]

What really makes me struggle not to scream is just how many Americans fail to realize that politics is mostly local. If you're pro choice, you'd be better off having an anti abortion president and pro choice state legislature than having a pro choice president and a legislature that doesn't like abortion. Joe biden is pro choice but there isn't much he can do when the state of Alabama takes advantage of the end of Roe to completely roll back reproductive rights. The president is not a benevolent tyrant. He doesn't just declare law like a king and his job is really not to decide all local level policies. So I think national elections are pretty overrated overall, but local elections can be extremely important. And when you put together all local election, the sum of their parts is greater than any national election.

But this is America. A country where millions of people lack knowledge about how the society they live in operates.

It's not that people fail to realise it as much as the realisation makes them lose even more faith. Local politics is far more homogenous, and dissent harder to foment.

I live in a county where Republicans are pretty much guaranteed to win elections, so changing policy here is like changing a leopard spots. But maybe there's hope in state elections.

[American Legionaries]

What really makes me struggle not to scream is just how many Americans fail to realize that politics is mostly local. If you're pro choice, you'd be better off having an anti abortion president and pro choice state legislature than having a pro choice president and a legislature that doesn't like abortion. Joe biden is pro choice but there isn't much he can do when the state of Alabama takes advantage of the end of Roe to completely roll back reproductive rights. The president is not a benevolent tyrant. He doesn't just declare law like a king and his job is really not to decide all local level policies. So I think national elections are pretty overrated overall, but local elections can be extremely important. And when you put together all local election, the sum of their parts is greater than any national election.

But this is America. A country where millions of people lack knowledge about how the society they live in operates.

The federal system means that the two are intertwined, making which one is "more important" a matter of variance. For example, my state government is hopeless, so the elections I can participate in for state assembly and governor aren't worth the paper they're printed on. However, a federal government which aligns with my views has the ability to appoint justices who have the authority to tell my state government to go fuck itself with a cactus. Hence why who is president is important, since who is governor is an inevitable loss.

[Cannot think of a name]

What really makes me struggle not to scream is just how many Americans fail to realize that politics is mostly local. If you're pro choice, you'd be better off having an anti abortion president and pro choice state legislature than having a pro choice president and a legislature that doesn't like abortion. Joe biden is pro choice but there isn't much he can do when the state of Alabama takes advantage of the end of Roe to completely roll back reproductive rights. The president is not a benevolent tyrant. He doesn't just declare law like a king and his job is really not to decide all local level policies. So I think national elections are pretty overrated overall, but local elections can be extremely important. And when you put together all local election, the sum of their parts is greater than any national election.

But this is America. A country where millions of people lack knowledge about how the society they live in operates.

Republicans figured this out a long time ago and have been eating the left's lunch ever since. They've been using churches and similar groups to organize low turn out elections to get ideologues elected to school boards, election boards, city councils etc and have shaped their agenda from the ground up while people on the left act like Casey at Bat waiting for a presidential candidate that's juuuuuuuust the right kind of porridge. Yes I switched comparisons in one sentence, fight me.

Too busy boo hooing that they can't have 14 presidential candidates so that the person selected only has 14% of the vote or some shit not realizing if they just tuned into local organizing they could help actually get those alternative parties in office and maybe even in a capacity to actually do some shit instead of just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

But that would require showing the fuck up and nothing could give them the vapors quickly than suggesting they do that since clearly that would never work. Meanwhile, it works like gangbusters for Republicans.

[The Jamesian Republic]

What really makes me struggle not to scream is just how many Americans fail to realize that politics is mostly local. If you're pro choice, you'd be better off having an anti abortion president and pro choice state legislature than having a pro choice president and a legislature that doesn't like abortion. Joe biden is pro choice but there isn't much he can do when the state of Alabama takes advantage of the end of Roe to completely roll back reproductive rights. The president is not a benevolent tyrant. He doesn't just declare law like a king and his job is really not to decide all local level policies. So I think national elections are pretty overrated overall, but local elections can be extremely important. And when you put together all local election, the sum of their parts is greater than any national election.

But this is America. A country where millions of people lack knowledge about how the society they live in operates.

Republicans figured this out a long time ago and have been eating the left's lunch ever since. They've been using churches and similar groups to organize low turn out elections to get ideologues elected to school boards, election boards, city councils etc and have shaped their agenda from the ground up while people on the left act like Casey at Bat waiting for a presidential candidate that's juuuuuuuust the right kind of porridge. Yes I switched comparisons in one sentence, fight me.

Too busy boo hooing that they can't have 14 presidential candidates so that the person selected only has 14% of the vote or some shit not realizing if they just tuned into local organizing they could help actually get those alternative parties in office and maybe even in a capacity to actually do some shit instead of just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

But that would require showing the fuck up and nothing could give them the vapors quickly than suggesting they do that since clearly that would never work. Meanwhile, it works like gangbusters for Republicans.

This ^ The key to winning elections and having these victories is getting to work in organizing.

[El Lazaro]

If Joe Exotic actually ends up on my ballot I may well vote for him for the lulz. I'm fucking sick of this abusive relationship with the Democratic Party and the whole "if you don't vote for us you get fascism" shit.

Chuck Schumer will sure feel owned when he and you are on the same side of the concentration camps fence wearing the same upside down red triangle on the lapels of your prison uniforms because he didn’t beg for your vote hard enough. Well, to be strictly accurate, his badge will also have a yellow triangle.

[Bradfordville]

If Joe Exotic actually ends up on my ballot I may well vote for him for the lulz. I'm fucking sick of this abusive relationship with the Democratic Party and the whole "if you don't vote for us you get fascism" shit.

Chuck Schumer will sure feel owned when he and you are on the same side of the concentration camps fence wearing the same upside down red triangle on the lapels of your prison uniforms because he didn’t beg for your vote hard enough. Well, to be strictly accurate, his badge will also have a yellow triangle.

As much as I am not fond of the political position of the republican party, this is a greatly exaggerated threat. And if this is the best reason a party can give for why you must vote for them (the other guy is literally hitler), then they deserve to lose. Not to mention that I'm not sure Trump and his handpicked "team of winners" are competent enough to begin a literal American holocaust.

[Bradfordville]

What really makes me struggle not to scream is just how many Americans fail to realize that politics is mostly local. If you're pro choice, you'd be better off having an anti abortion president and pro choice state legislature than having a pro choice president and a legislature that doesn't like abortion. Joe biden is pro choice but there isn't much he can do when the state of Alabama takes advantage of the end of Roe to completely roll back reproductive rights. The president is not a benevolent tyrant. He doesn't just declare law like a king and his job is really not to decide all local level policies. So I think national elections are pretty overrated overall, but local elections can be extremely important. And when you put together all local election, the sum of their parts is greater than any national election.

But this is America. A country where millions of people lack knowledge about how the society they live in operates.

Republicans figured this out a long time ago and have been eating the left's lunch ever since. They've been using churches and similar groups to organize low turn out elections to get ideologues elected to school boards, election boards, city councils etc and have shaped their agenda from the ground up while people on the left act like Casey at Bat waiting for a presidential candidate that's juuuuuuuust the right kind of porridge. Yes I switched comparisons in one sentence, fight me.

Too busy boo hooing that they can't have 14 presidential candidates so that the person selected only has 14% of the vote or some shit not realizing if they just tuned into local organizing they could help actually get those alternative parties in office and maybe even in a capacity to actually do some shit instead of just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

But that would require showing the fuck up and nothing could give them the vapors quickly than suggesting they do that since clearly that would never work. Meanwhile, it works like gangbusters for Republicans.

It is honest to God alarming how many wins the Republicans have achieved on local level politics. I saw alot of people high fiving when biden won in 2020, but behind the scenes the fight is not over, and it may not be over for a long time.

[American Legionaries]

Chuck Schumer will sure feel owned when he and you are on the same side of the concentration camps fence wearing the same upside down red triangle on the lapels of your prison uniforms because he didn’t beg for your vote hard enough. Well, to be strictly accurate, his badge will also have a yellow triangle.

As much as I am not fond of the political position of the republican party, this is a greatly exaggerated threat. And if this is the best reason a party can give for why you must vote for them (the other guy is literally hitler), then they deserve to lose. Not to mention that I'm not sure Trump and his handpicked "team of winners" are competent enough to begin a literal American holocaust.

Even if ol' Donald and Friends were inclined to do such a thing, he'd appointed the best people to run the damn camp and they'd just spend their time embezzling the money that was supposed to pay for the guards.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Chuck Schumer will sure feel owned when he and you are on the same side of the concentration camps fence wearing the same upside down red triangle on the lapels of your prison uniforms because he didn’t beg for your vote hard enough. Well, to be strictly accurate, his badge will also have a yellow triangle.

As much as I am not fond of the political position of the republican party, this is a greatly exaggerated threat.

A lot of people will take issue with this statement but it's true tbh. The GOP is regressive and dumb on the culture war but most of their positions on the LGBT community aren't terribly different from 1990s Democrats, and I don't think many people would seriously try to argue Bill and Hillary were running death camps for LGBT folks.

[El Lazaro]

Chuck Schumer will sure feel owned when he and you are on the same side of the concentration camps fence wearing the same upside down red triangle on the lapels of your prison uniforms because he didn’t beg for your vote hard enough. Well, to be strictly accurate, his badge will also have a yellow triangle.

As much as I am not fond of the political position of the republican party, this is a greatly exaggerated threat. And if this is the best reason a party can give for why you must vote for them (the other guy is literally hitler), then they deserve to lose. Not to mention that I'm not sure Trump and his handpicked "team of winners" are competent enough to begin a literal American holocaust.

Exaggerated how? The GOP is already bragging about the complete eradication of trans people and leftists in red states. They started with “lock her up” and now have move onto the idea that Democrats are traitors who illegitimately usurped power in 2020 and are all involved in kidnapping, raping, and cannibalizing children to gain immortality. Not even going into the anti-Semitic basis for these claims, that they would round up politicians they regard as “enemies of the state” and Antifa supporters like Page in mass arrests if they were given the power to is a modest assumption at this point.