American Politics: The Speaker's Cornered

[North Jus Intius]

Nah, they about nailed it.

How does drawing connections among horrible, totalitarian ideologies imply I denigrate the victims of any of those ideologies? Please explain.

Intent vs Impact

[The Proud Transphobe]

How does drawing connections among horrible, totalitarian ideologies imply I denigrate the victims of any of those ideologies? Please explain.

Intent vs Impact

Alliteration does not an argument make.

[HISPIDA]

In case you aren't aware, the Nazis of the future received a gift from the Nazis in the past. Trying to paint Nazism as socialist is quickly becoming a textbook Nazi tactic at this point. They do this intentionally to "redpill" people whose education inadequately taught them about history. This ignorance makes them more vulnerable to this vile propaganda, which spits in the face of victims of the Holocaust.

can, unfortunately, confirm. fell victim to it back in middle school. very happy i managed to dig out of it.

[Necroghastia]

Saying the Nazis were very much accepted as socialist worldwide is so fucking dumb, I'm not going to actually try to convince you cause you probably DO know they aren't socialist but you are being incredibly disingenuous and acting super stupid. What a fucking joke, literally just fascism apologia.

You spit on the grave of all of those murdered by the Nazis with your rhetoric. The countless men, women and children who were tortured, starved and killed by the Nazis. Fucking disgusting.

"Apologia"? I celebrate every victory against Nazis and Fascists the exact same as I celebrate every victory against Communists. I spit on the grave of Hitler the same as the grave of Stalin. This binary worldview where the only two possible extremes are Communism and Fascism is extremely socialist-centric. It is a binary that I completely reject. My visceral hatred for Communism doesn't make me any more Fascist than my visceral hatred for Fascism makes me Communist. Both of these totalitarian socialist ideologies need to be buried under the dustbin of history and never exhumed again.

ah yes i totally believe "The Proud Transphobe" is not sympathetic in the least to what the nazis tried to do

[North Jus Intius]

"Apologia"? I celebrate every victory against Nazis and Fascists the exact same as I celebrate every victory against Communists. I spit on the grave of Hitler the same as the grave of Stalin. This binary worldview where the only two possible extremes are Communism and Fascism is extremely socialist-centric. It is a binary that I completely reject. My visceral hatred for Communism doesn't make me any more Fascist than my visceral hatred for Fascism makes me Communist. Both of these totalitarian socialist ideologies need to be buried under the dustbin of history and never exhumed again.

ah yes i totally believe "The Proud Transphobe" is not sympathetic in the least to what the nazis tried to do

That's what's so frustratingly bewildering about modern day Nazis. Many of them have no idea they're Nazis.

Regardless, conservatives and republicans are exactly zero degrees ideologically separated from avowed white supremacists throughout all levels of both government and social life. It's hard not to paint a broad brush when the paint fits.

[Bombadil]

Regardless of the name, the competing ideologies of the time were Communism, Democracy and Fascism - it's easy to forget what a shock the Russian Revolution was to the ruling classes and elites of Europe. They were fine to back fascism from fear of the same fate awaiting them.

The Nazis were far right, period. They were a reaction to and supported as a bulwark against communists and agitators.

[The Proud Transphobe]

"Apologia"? I celebrate every victory against Nazis and Fascists the exact same as I celebrate every victory against Communists. I spit on the grave of Hitler the same as the grave of Stalin. This binary worldview where the only two possible extremes are Communism and Fascism is extremely socialist-centric. It is a binary that I completely reject. My visceral hatred for Communism doesn't make me any more Fascist than my visceral hatred for Fascism makes me Communist. Both of these totalitarian socialist ideologies need to be buried under the dustbin of history and never exhumed again.

ah yes i totally believe "The Proud Transphobe" is not sympathetic in the least to what the nazis tried to do

lol Of course you think that.

Though I can't say I blame you. It is natural for everyone to associate their perceived enemies with every bad thing, regardless of the truth.

[Picairn]

Still waiting for The Proud Transphobe to explain how Nazi economic policy (outlined in my previous post) makes it socialist.

[Necroghastia]

ah yes i totally believe "The Proud Transphobe" is not sympathetic in the least to what the nazis tried to do

lol Of course you think that.

Though I can't say I blame you. It is natural for everyone to associate their perceived enemies with every bad thing, regardless of the truth.

I'm not associating you with every bad thing - I didn't say you were sympathetic to the KKK or CSA, for example. I'm associating you with the people who tried to exterminate queer people and burned almost everything within a pro-LGBT research institute.

[Cachard Calia]

ah yes i totally believe "The Proud Transphobe" is not sympathetic in the least to what the nazis tried to do

lol Of course you think that.

Though I can't say I blame you. It is natural for everyone to associate their perceived enemies with every bad thing, regardless of the truth.

You do know we went to the camps too? Seriously. We were considered sexual deviants.

[The Proud Transphobe]

lol Of course you think that.

Though I can't say I blame you. It is natural for everyone to associate their perceived enemies with every bad thing, regardless of the truth.

I'm not associating you with every bad thing - I didn't say you were sympathetic to the KKK or CSA, for example. I'm associating you with the people who tried to exterminate queer people and burned down a pro-LGBT research institute.

I know this might come as a shock to you, but I don't actually think LGBT people should be exterminated or have arson committed against them. I think the people who did those things deserve to be captured and punished.

[El Lazaro]

Still waiting for The Proud Transphobe to explain how Nazi economic policy (outlined in my previous post) makes it socialist.

Socialism is when big business do stuff. The more stuff they do, the socialister they are.

[Terra dei Cittadini]

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Show me how republicans are trying to "genocide" trans people. I will wait.

Denying them lifesaving care they need.

Florida banned trans care; look it up, ya denialist.

[Necroghastia]

I'm not associating you with every bad thing - I didn't say you were sympathetic to the KKK or CSA, for example. I'm associating you with the people who tried to exterminate queer people and burned down a pro-LGBT research institute.

I know this might come as a shock to you, but I don't actually think LGBT people should be exterminated or have arson committed against them. I think the people who did those things deserve to be captured and punished.

You're all too happy to look the other way if not outright excuse laws and actions that push trans people to the fringes of society, laws and actions that result in nothing but discrimination, abuse, and misery. Sorry if I don't take you at your word.

[The Proud Transphobe]

I know this might come as a shock to you, but I don't actually think LGBT people should be exterminated or have arson committed against them. I think the people who did those things deserve to be captured and punished.

You're all too happy to look the other way if not outright excuse laws and actions that push trans people to the fringes of society, laws and actions that result in nothing but discrimination, abuse, and misery. Sorry if I don't take you at your word.

I didn't expect you to. As ever, you are very happy to make all sorts of negative assumptions without proof. It's the modus operandi of many on the left these days.

[Cannot think of a name]

Nah, they about nailed it.

How does drawing connections among horrible, totalitarian ideologies imply I denigrate the victims of any of those ideologies? Please explain.

Nah, you know what you're doing.

[Picairn]

Still waiting for The Proud Transphobe to explain how Nazi economic policy (outlined in my previous post) makes it socialist.

Once more my question remains unanswered. Sad!

[Cannot think of a name]

ah yes i totally believe "The Proud Transphobe" is not sympathetic in the least to what the nazis tried to do

lol Of course you think that.

Though I can't say I blame you. It is natural for everyone to associate their perceived enemies with every bad thing, regardless of the truth.

"If I shout 'No you're nazis!' often enough it will seem like it's just a thing people say and ignore when the comparison is valid..."

[Necroghastia]

You're all too happy to look the other way if not outright excuse laws and actions that push trans people to the fringes of society, laws and actions that result in nothing but discrimination, abuse, and misery. Sorry if I don't take you at your word.

I didn't expect you to. As ever, you are very happy to make all sorts of negative assumptions without proof. It's the modus operandi of many on the left these days.

Without proof? Do your posts not speak for you? Are you not actually a transphobe? Do you not actually excuse the sorts of laws being passed to abuse trans people in modern times? Without proof, my foot.

[Cannot think of a name]

I'm not associating you with every bad thing - I didn't say you were sympathetic to the KKK or CSA, for example. I'm associating you with the people who tried to exterminate queer people and burned down a pro-LGBT research institute.

I know this might come as a shock to you, but I don't actually think LGBT people should be exterminated or have arson committed against them. I think the people who did those things deserve to be captured and punished.

Yet.

[Shrillland]

Wisconsn GOP sends txt messages mimicking storm warnings...on a day when they were expecting real tornadoes

It's not clear whether this violates federal law or not.

[Supreme Algerstonia]

Wisconsn GOP sends txt messages mimicking storm warnings...on a day when they were expecting real tornadoes

It's not clear whether this violates federal law or not.

i think that's great, the weather emergency alert system should be extended to give warnings for governments violating the constitution because the government breaking the constitution is just as much of an emergency as a tornado breaking your house

[The Proud Transphobe]

Still waiting for The Proud Transphobe to explain how Nazi economic policy (outlined in my previous post) makes it socialist.

Once more my question remains unanswered. Sad!

I'm not going to answer. Accurate political taxonomy is a distraction from the issues I care about most. I explained my point enough. For the time being, all you need understand is I put Nazism, Fascism, and Communism in the same "deplorable ideologies" basket.

How does drawing connections among horrible, totalitarian ideologies imply I denigrate the victims of any of those ideologies? Please explain.

Nah, you know what you're doing.

You give me too much credit. All I'm doing is stating my opinion.

lol Of course you think that.

Though I can't say I blame you. It is natural for everyone to associate their perceived enemies with every bad thing, regardless of the truth.

"If I shout 'No you're nazis!' often enough it will seem like it's just a thing people say and ignore when the comparison is valid..."

I haven't called anyone a Nazi today.

I didn't expect you to. As ever, you are very happy to make all sorts of negative assumptions without proof. It's the modus operandi of many on the left these days.

Without proof? Do your posts not speak for you?

I have said nothing in favor of Fascism. That is entirely your own assumption.

Are you not actually a transphobe? Do you not actually excuse the sorts of laws being passed to abuse trans people in modern times? Without proof, my foot.

I hold views most leftist activists would call "transphobic", but I think the term itself is pretty ridiculous: That's really the whole parody behind my nation's name. I think adults should be able to do what they want with their bodies, including every existing form of "gender affirming care". And I have no special desire to interfere with the other lifestyle choices of trans people. What got me labeled a "transphobe" originally was my concern for minors, and in some cases women. In my view, most of the laws recently passed actually protect women and children from abuse. Where I would agree there is a problem is with states going for total bans for adults - but that is not the bulk of the laws, so I see it as a net positive.

[Necroghastia]

In my view, most of the laws recently passed actually protect women and children from abuse.

A view that gets totally debunked if one actually looks at the laws in question in an unbiased way. They do absolutely no such thing.

[The Proud Transphobe]

In my view, most of the laws recently passed actually protect women and children from abuse.

A view that gets totally debunked if one actually looks at the laws in question in an unbiased way. They do absolutely no such thing.

The idea that a trans activist can consider these issues "in an unbiased way" is laughable. Your only standard for if it is a good policy is if it helps trans people in the most surface-level way. So far as I can tell, there is no value or set of consequences considered serious enough to persuade the trans community to oppose any policy perceived to immediately benefit trans people.