Gun Control 2023 - ATF Shenanigans, States Fight Back!

[Juansonia]

Um actually, the Armalite AR-15 is capable of automatic fire. It's the Colt AR-15 that is only available in semi-automatic.

Nah, Colt sells AR-15s to the US Government as the M4A1, formerly the CAR-15.
(Also had the exclusive selling rights to the Government from the get-go of the M16)

The AR-15 family-tree is a funny one.

I think the only people who bought actual armalite production AR-15s with full-auto would be some tribals in Africa, the IRA, and some Belgian law-firm.

The M4, M16, and CAR-15 don't use the "AR-15" trademark. Therefore, they are not AR-15's - just like how a S&W M&P15 or an Armalite AR-18 is not an AR-15.

BTW, the Air Force did purchase Armalite AR-15's from a catalog. It wasn't until the Army got involved that the M16 was standardised.

[Grinning Dragon]

Over the years I have read some pretty retarded nonsense from judges on the 2nd Amendment and ruling on why a particular infringement is constitutional, so yesterday people were treated with another example of "that is the dumbest shit I've ever heard/read" where U.S district judge robert bryan in Wa denied an injunction against Wa. unconstitutional awb.

Each of the above arms restrictions, including bans and restrictions on carrying, arose from the same historical pattern. The weapon was invented, perhaps for the military, became widely popular with civilians, was associated with criminal use, and was then regulated by the States. As has been the case throughout our Nation’s history, HB 1240’s prohibition on the manufacture, import, and sale of semiautomatic assault weapons responds to the same pattern: technological weapons change that sets forth unprecedented social concerns.

Semiautomatic assault weapons represent a significant technological change – they allow a shooter to fire as fast as they can pull the trigger, unlike previous guns. While semiautomatic weapons like the AR-15 were invented in the 1950s, the growth in ownership of semiautomatic assault weapons proliferated in the late 2000s.

Uh, say what now? 88yr old fudd judge does know that semi-auto firearms have been around for more than a hundred years?

Then to top it all off, completely gets Heller/Bruen text, history and tradition all wrong then cites it is the plaintiffs that got it wrong. Old fucker should get his eyes checked.

Bruen does not require that the historical regulation be the exact same; it is not a “historical straight jacket.”

Analogical reasoning requires that the law’s proponents “identify a well-established and representative historical analogue, not a historical twin.”

Further, as explained by Dr. Spitzer in relation to the Bowie knife regulations, complete bans on the possession of certain weapons (as opposed to laws forbidding the carrying of those weapons) did not occur as much in our early Nation’s history because the federal and state governments did not have the “maturity, powers, tools, or resources” to implement and enforce a complete ban. Instead, the chief remedy enacted by the states was to bar the carrying of knives, “along with the other two categories of weapons that also threatened public safety, clubs and pistols.” Bruen specifically cautioned that in cases of “dramatic technological changes” or “unprecedented societal concerns,” a “more nuanced approach” may be necessary.

Since the judge is a dumb fuck who should be in a home instead of on the bench, is a setback for FPC and trying to kick it up to the 9th circus is only going to be met with the same idiotic bullshit until a precedent can be set in the 9th circus that aw and mag bans are unconstitutional. Sucks for the folks in Wa.
Judge denies injunction against WA "assault weapons" ban for the most ridiculous of reasons

[The Two Jerseys]

Uh, say what now? 88yr old fudd judge does know that semi-auto firearms have been around for more than a hundred years?

Reminds me of that TV show where men who are the right age to have carried a 1911 in WWI are completely bewildered by the time-traveling hero's Sig...

[Grinning Dragon]

Uh, say what now? 88yr old fudd judge does know that semi-auto firearms have been around for more than a hundred years?

Reminds me of that TV show where men who are the right age to have carried a 1911 in WWI are completely bewildered by the time-traveling hero's Sig...

What TV show was that?

Also want a good laugh?
So the defendants have replied to the consolidated cases challenging Ill. new firearm and magazine bans to file their briefs with the 7th circus and well lets just say its full of make believe.
The couple that stuck out the most was from inbred dipshit kim fox from cook county.
Her analogous rebuttal...longstanding regulations on gunpowder enacted in England centuries ago. Say what now? Dumb cunt, that has to do with storage not bans and even so not relevant to the US. The analog is at the time of founding (1791).
Then not to be outdone on stupid, she went full retard... Bruen does not abrogate this court’s(7th circus) decisions in Friedman and Wilson.
Umm, perhaps someone outta school this soros dipshit attorney that Supreme Court > inferior court. So yes Heller and Bruen absolutely abrogates Friedman and Wilson.

Respondents’ Illinois Gun Ban Defense Briefs Full of Wishful Thinking and Make Believe

[The Two Jerseys]

Reminds me of that TV show where men who are the right age to have carried a 1911 in WWI are completely bewildered by the time-traveling hero's Sig...

What TV show was that?

Also want a good laugh?
So the defendants have replied to the consolidated cases challenging Ill. new firearm and magazine bans to file their briefs with the 7th circus and well lets just say its full of make believe.
The couple that stuck out the most was from inbred dipshit kim fox from cook county.
Her analogous rebuttal...longstanding regulations on gunpowder enacted in England centuries ago. Say what now? Dumb cunt, that has to do with storage not bans and even so not relevant to the US. The analog is at the time of founding (1791).
Then not to be outdone on stupid, she went full retard... Bruen does not abrogate this court’s(7th circus) decisions in Friedman and Wilson.
Umm, perhaps someone outta school this soros dipshit attorney that Supreme Court > inferior court. So yes Heller and Bruen absolutely abrogates Friedman and Wilson.

Respondents’ Illinois Gun Ban Defense Briefs Full of Wishful Thinking and Make Believe

It was that show "Timeless" that lasted one season like 5 years ago. Good guys get arrested while trying to stop the bad guy from blowing up the Hindenberg early, while they're in the cell the cop is looking at his semi-auto like he's never seen anything like it...

[Grinning Dragon]

Gavin Newsom Introduces the 28th Amendment to Limit Gun Rights and Make a More Perfect Union

How do you know that, not so deep down, California Governor Gavin Newsom is hoping that President Silver Alert doesn’t make it to election day and he’s the one who’s called upon to take up the Democrats’ banner in the fight against the Trumpublicans? Today, he announced that he’s proposing a 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution. Because the Second Amendment apparently guarantees Americans too much freedom for them to handle.

“Our ability to make a more perfect union is literally written into the Constitution,” said Governor Gavin Newsom. “So today, I’m proposing the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to do just that. The 28th Amendment will enshrine in the Constitution common sense gun safety measures that Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and gun owners overwhelmingly support – while leaving the 2nd Amendment unchanged and respecting America’s gun-owning tradition.”

What would the oleaginous pol’s proposed amendment do exactly? Four things, primarily.

The 28th Amendment will permanently enshrine four broadly supported gun safety principles into the U.S. Constitution:

Raising the federal minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 21;
Mandating universal background checks to prevent truly dangerous people from purchasing a gun that could be used in a crime;
Instituting a reasonable waiting period for all gun purchases; and
Barring civilian purchase of assault weapons that serve no other purpose than to kill as many people as possible in a short amount of time – weapons of war our nation’s founders never foresaw.

Well good luck shitstain...

[Galloism]

Gavin Newsom Introduces the 28th Amendment to Limit Gun Rights and Make a More Perfect Union

How do you know that, not so deep down, California Governor Gavin Newsom is hoping that President Silver Alert doesn’t make it to election day and he’s the one who’s called upon to take up the Democrats’ banner in the fight against the Trumpublicans? Today, he announced that he’s proposing a 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution. Because the Second Amendment apparently guarantees Americans too much freedom for them to handle.

“Our ability to make a more perfect union is literally written into the Constitution,” said Governor Gavin Newsom. “So today, I’m proposing the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution to do just that. The 28th Amendment will enshrine in the Constitution common sense gun safety measures that Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and gun owners overwhelmingly support – while leaving the 2nd Amendment unchanged and respecting America’s gun-owning tradition.”

What would the oleaginous pol’s proposed amendment do exactly? Four things, primarily.

The 28th Amendment will permanently enshrine four broadly supported gun safety principles into the U.S. Constitution:

Raising the federal minimum age to purchase a firearm from 18 to 21;
Mandating universal background checks to prevent truly dangerous people from purchasing a gun that could be used in a crime;
Instituting a reasonable waiting period for all gun purchases; and
Barring civilian purchase of assault weapons that serve no other purpose than to kill as many people as possible in a short amount of time – weapons of war our nation’s founders never foresaw.

Well good luck shitstain...

At this point, why don't we just make 21 the age of majority?

[Nlarhyalo]

How does he propose to get 3/4 of the states on board with this?

I kind of like living in South Dakota where I can walk into a store, buy a gun of my choice, and simply walk out of the store and open-carry down Main Street to get back to my truck without anybody batting an eye.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Gavin Newsom Introduces the 28th Amendment to Limit Gun Rights and Make a More Perfect Union


Well good luck shitstain...

At this point, why don't we just make 21 the age of majority?

Because that would deprive the Dems of voters.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Even if our political system actually functioned properly, I doubt he would get 3/4ths of the states to agree to that.

It's literally a posture amendment. I also do not like this push to increase the age of majority to 21.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

At this point, why don't we just make 21 the age of majority?

Because that would deprive the Dems of voters.

Both parties want to increase the age of majority specifically in ways that benefit them.

Republicans want to raise the voting age because young people do not vote for them.

Democrats want to raise the age of majority on guns since they do not like them.

[Restored New England]

Because that would deprive the Dems of voters.

Both parties want to increase the age of majority specifically in ways that benefit them.

Republicans want to raise the voting age because young people do not vote for them.

Democrats want to raise the age of majority on guns since they do not like them.

And this crap has to stop. Young adults might be immature compared to the rest of adults, but they are still adults. And part of maturing is the necessary process of making mistakes. For instance, when I was young and immature, I voted Republican a lot. I've grown out of it.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Honestly, the more I know about politics, the more disgusted I get.

[Restored New England]

Honestly, the more I know about politics, the more disgusted I get.

The more I see of people, the more I despair for humanity.

[The Two Jerseys]

At this point, why don't we just make 21 the age of majority?

Because that would deprive the Dems of voters.

And they want to let 16 year olds vote.

Absolute fucking hypocrisy.

[Galloism]

At this point, why don't we just make 21 the age of majority?

Because that would deprive the Dems of voters.

Either you have the competence and capability to make adult decisions or not.

[American Legionaries]

Because that would deprive the Dems of voters.

Either you have the competence and capability to make adult decisions or not.

Pfft, my wife can't even get corrective surgery for a medical condition that causes her severe ongoing pain because the doctors don't think a thirty year old is old enough to decide that they don't want kids anymore. (The issue prevents her from having kids, by the way)

[Galloism]

Either you have the competence and capability to make adult decisions or not.

Pfft, my wife can't even get corrective surgery for a medical condition that causes her severe ongoing pain because the doctors don't think a thirty year old is old enough to decide that they don't want kids anymore. (The issue prevents her from having kids, by the way)

Yeah, that's a problem.

I hit that myself as a young man. Not the severe debilitating pain part, but the "you're too young to decide that" part.

[American Legionaries]

Pfft, my wife can't even get corrective surgery for a medical condition that causes her severe ongoing pain because the doctors don't think a thirty year old is old enough to decide that they don't want kids anymore. (The issue prevents her from having kids, by the way)

Yeah, that's a problem.

I hit that myself as a young man. Not the severe debilitating pain part, but the "you're too young to decide that" part.

The selective juvenilization of Americans just boggles my mind. Like, how can you think a person is responsible enough to crew a fucking 120mm artillery piece, but not own a .38 revolver?

[Grinning Dragon]

Gavin Newsom Introduces the 28th Amendment to Limit Gun Rights and Make a More Perfect Union


Well good luck shitstain...

At this point, why don't we just make 21 the age of majority?

Well I'm not a big fan of age restrictions when it comes to enumerated negative rights and as such it seems the only negative enumerated right that is consistently targeted to be X age is the 2nd Amendment.

[Galloism]

At this point, why don't we just make 21 the age of majority?

Well I'm not a big fan of age restrictions when it comes to enumerated negative rights and as such it seems the only negative enumerated right that is consistently targeted to be X age is the 2nd Amendment.

Eh... there's significant restrictions on free speech rights for children in a lot of contexts. It's not reduced to zero, but there's a lot more restrictions. Also, the right not to be enslaved is... not particularly well defended either.

[Dimetrodon Empire]

Because that would deprive the Dems of voters.

And they want to let 16 year olds vote.

Absolute fucking hypocrisy.

You guys want to increase the voting age. I am not going to let the Dems off the hook but you guys have no high ground to stand on either.

[Grinning Dragon]

Radio Host Mark Walters Sues ChatGPT for False Claims That He Defrauded, Embezzled Money From SAF

The AI bot claimed that there . . .

“is a legal complaint filed by Alan Gottlieb, the founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), against Mark Walters, who is accused of defrauding and embezzling funds from the SAF. The complaint alleges that Walters, who served as the organization’s treasurer and chief financial officer, misappropriated funds for personal expenses without authorization or reimbursement, manipulated financial records and bank statements to conceal his activities, and failed to provide accurate and timely financial reports and disclosures to the SAF’s leadership. The plaintiff seeks various forms of relief, including the recovery of misappropriated funds, damages for breach of fiduciary duty and fraud, and removal of Walters from his position as a member of the SAF’s board of directors.”

Just one problem. None of it is true.


And, here is a good idea. Let's take the dumbest VP in the history of dipshit VPs and have this cunt lead the administration's gun control messaging.
This should be a good shitshow and actually drive more people to be progun.
Then again, it's SOP for the biden admin to appoint dumbfucks.
Now They’re REALLY Serious: Biden Taps VP Harris to Lead Administration’s Gun Control Messaging

[Haganham]

Radio Host Mark Walters Sues ChatGPT for False Claims That He Defrauded, Embezzled Money From SAF

The AI bot claimed that there . . .

“is a legal complaint filed by Alan Gottlieb, the founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF), against Mark Walters, who is accused of defrauding and embezzling funds from the SAF. The complaint alleges that Walters, who served as the organization’s treasurer and chief financial officer, misappropriated funds for personal expenses without authorization or reimbursement, manipulated financial records and bank statements to conceal his activities, and failed to provide accurate and timely financial reports and disclosures to the SAF’s leadership. The plaintiff seeks various forms of relief, including the recovery of misappropriated funds, damages for breach of fiduciary duty and fraud, and removal of Walters from his position as a member of the SAF’s board of directors.”

Just one problem. None of it is true.

Which should surprise no one as ChatGPT is designed to predict the expected response to a prompt, and the factual accuracy of it's output is explicitly disclaimed. As is the bots knowledge of events after 2021.
This is like suing GE after using their microwave to dry off your cat.

[Grinning Dragon]

NRA, has submitted a motion to interject and have the Tx SAF, GOA/GOF v. batfe(arbf) pistol brace injunction expanded to cover NRA members.