Gun Control 2023 - ATF Shenanigans, States Fight Back!

[Kernen]

So...No license needed for an AR-15 under your proposal.

Hmmm, idk, maybe rifle style weapons are also required license. Idk

Why? Handguns are significantly more likely to be used to kill than rifles.

There is something uniquely special about policy discussion lacking the requisite factual knowledge of a topic.

[Tarsonis]

So none of you have seen a GAU8 round in person, I take it?

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

You'd need a really fast truck...

Get him a rocket.

Artillery shell with a parachute packed inside of it with the red bull

[Grinning Dragon]

My opinion on guns

Anybody should be able to own anything but they need a license to do so for automatic weapons.

Ex: Handgun doesn’t require a license, but a AR does.

Hell, IDGAF if somebody owns GAU-8 avenger as long as they use it responsibly and know the proper precautions and don’t go on a killing spree with it and only use it for a really impractical and epic form of self defense.

A semi auto handgun doesn't need a license, but a semi auto long gun does. Does the fact that both operate in the same manner lost to you?
How does such a scheme fit in with text, history and tradition for one set of arms? Onus is on you to provide said examples of historical analogs. (Circa 1791)
How does licensing keep one from going on a "killin' spree' ?

[American Legionaries]

So none of you have seen a GAU8 round in person, I take it?

I have, I just don't think an aluminum beverage can could survive that level of acceleration. You'd just spray Red Bull all over everything 100 yards in front of you.

[Kernen]

My opinion on guns

Anybody should be able to own anything but they need a license to do so for automatic weapons.

Ex: Handgun doesn’t require a license, but a AR does.

Hell, IDGAF if somebody owns GAU-8 avenger as long as they use it responsibly and know the proper precautions and don’t go on a killing spree with it and only use it for a really impractical and epic form of self defense.

A semi auto handgun doesn't need a license, but a semi auto long gun does. Does the fact that both operate in the same manner lost to you?
How does such a scheme fit in with text, history and tradition for one set of arms? Onus is on you to provide said examples of historical analogs.
How does licensing keep one from going on a "killin' spree' ?

Somebody post the ATF slideshow.

[Kernen]

So none of you have seen a GAU8 round in person, I take it?

I have, I just don't think an aluminum beverage can could survive that level of acceleration. You'd just spray Red Bull all over everything 100 yards in front of you.

Give it a concrete shell if we're already ignoring the rules of manufacturing and physics.

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

So none of you have seen a GAU8 round in person, I take it?

Nope, but I know they are as big as a beer bottle

[Tarsonis]

So none of you have seen a GAU8 round in person, I take it?

I have, I just don't think an aluminum beverage can could survive that level of acceleration. You'd just spray Red Bull all over everything 100 yards in front of you.

I can rig up something to keep it from tearing on shot....impact however, I got nothing

[Gun Manufacturers]

In before they try to spin it as "more of us would've shown up but we were afraid of being shot by those terrorist gun owners"...

Heh. Well the day ain't done so maybe they might get to a few hundred.
But honestly, did that dumb cunt actually think that 10s of thousands were gonna show up? Did she actually think the guvna would have signed their moronic kindergarten level EO and didn't think such a proposal didn't infringe upon not only the state's right to keep and bear arms but the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights?

This bitch ain't got just a screw loose, she's a whole hardware store of loose screws worth.

There's also the fact that she only wanted white women there.

[Grinning Dragon]

A semi auto handgun doesn't need a license, but a semi auto long gun does. Does the fact that both operate in the same manner lost to you?
How does such a scheme fit in with text, history and tradition for one set of arms? Onus is on you to provide said examples of historical analogs.
How does licensing keep one from going on a "killin' spree' ?

Somebody post the ATF slideshow.

You mean this one?

[Valles Marineris Mining co]

Somebody post the ATF slideshow.

You mean this one?

No even a parody just true tbh

[Tarsonis]

So the here4kids movement that was suppose involve 10s of thousands of karens to set upon the colorado capitol to demand the guvna to sign their harpy EO that bans all guns and buy them back, ended up being a small cadre of perhaps a 100 or so that more or less looks like a jenny craig failed me gathering.

"I’ve never seen something like this in my life. I know all the people I’m working with have never seen anything like this,...This is history. I don’t know what’s gonna happen exactly or how it’s gonna happen, but something's going to happen.”

[HISPIDA]

Somebody post the ATF slideshow.

You mean this one?

"Wow the ATF got through a entire PowerPoint without killing any dogs"

[The Two Jerseys]

Somebody post the ATF slideshow.

You mean this one?

I was hoping someone would give it the old skiddily-doo.

[Grinning Dragon]

I wonder how much money flowed into those firearm right groups from all of those injunctions against the unlawful pistol brace rule?
Injunctions Blocking Enforcement of ATF Pistol Brace Rule Padding Gun Rights Groups’ Membership Rolls

...Following the clarification by a federal judge regarding the scope of a preliminary injunction in the Second Amendment Foundation’s case against the Biden administration’s new “arm brace rule” – that it applies to SAF members – interest in membership was so heavy during the first 24 hours it crashed the website...

[Hurtful Thoughts]

You'd need a really fast truck...

Get him a rocket.

Rocket-can?

Gun-launched rocket-cans, but then you'd need a pretty fast rate of fire... like something involving multiple barrels... undergoing some sort of rotary motion patented by Richard M Gatling.

[HISPIDA]

Get him a rocket.

Rocket-can?

burning out his fuse up here alone...

[Juansonia]

My opinion on guns

Anybody should be able to own anything but they need a license to do so for automatic weapons.

Ex: Handgun doesn’t require a license, but a AR does.

Hell, IDGAF if somebody owns GAU-8 avenger as long as they use it responsibly and know the proper precautions and don’t go on a killing spree with it and only use it for a really impractical and epic form of self defense.

>AR
>Automatic weapons

Ohboyherewego.doc

Um actually, the Armalite AR-15 is capable of automatic fire. It's the Colt AR-15 that is only available in semi-automatic.

[Washington Resistance Army]

As if anyone needed more evidence that the slippery slope is real and not a fallacy, some dumbass Democrat in New York is trying to make people felons if they buy more than 20 bullets for an "assault weapon" every 4 months.

[Gun Manufacturers]

As if anyone needed more evidence that the slippery slope is real and not a fallacy, some dumbass Democrat in New York is trying to make people felons if they buy more than 20 bullets for an "assault weapon" every 4 months.

It's almost as if, in the year or so since Bruen, the blue states have been throwing temper tantrums because they were told "No".

CT house bill 6667 passed and is on Lamont's desk waiting to be signed. It bans "others" (registration for any already owned), closes the "pre-ban loophole" (again, with registration for any already owned), and a bunch of other shit that won't do ANYTHING to change the gun violence numbers. The good thing is, there are already lawsuits challenging CT's AWB, and hb 6667 is definitely getting 1 or more lawsuits thrown at it.

[Grinning Dragon]

Full en banc 3rd court of appeals basically ruled that non-violent felons can't have their 2nd amendment right permanently deprived.
The case is Range v. garland.

Bryan Range pleaded guilty in 1995 to food stamp fraud in Pennsylvania. He served three years probation, paid restitution and a small fine. He also lost his gun rights.

That’s because “his conviction was classified as a Pennsylvania misdemeanor punishable by up to five years’ imprisonment. That conviction precludes Range from possessing a firearm because federal law generally makes it ‘unlawful for any person . . . who has been convicted in any court, of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year’ to ‘possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition.’”

Range sued, arguing that he’d been wrongly deprived of his right to keep and bear arms. Today, an en banc Third Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with Mr. Range, restoring his Second Amendment rights.

Both sides agree that [under Bruen] we no longer conduct means-end scrutiny. And as the panel wrote: “Bruen’s focus on history and tradition,” means that “Binderup’s multifactored seriousness inquiry no longer applies.”

After Bruen, we must first decide whether the text of the Second Amendment applies to a person and his proposed conduct. If it does, the government now bears the burden of proof: it “must affirmatively prove that its firearms regulation is part of the historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.”

Until well into the twentieth century, it was settled that Congress lacked the power to abridge anyone’s right to keep and bear arms. The right declared in the Second Amendment was important, but cumulative. The people’s first line of defense was the reservation of a power from the national government. As James Wilson explained, “A bill of rights annexed to a constitution is an enumeration of the powers reserved.” …

Even without the Second Amendment, the combination of enumerated powers and the Ninth and Tenth Amendments ensured that Congress could not permanently disarm anyone.

I believe Judge Thomas Hardiman wrote the majority of the decision. He was on the very short list to be nominated to the USSC and TBH, should have been chosen over kavanaugh.

Third Circuit Court of Appeals Invalidates Federal Law Depriving People Sentenced to More Than One Year in Jail of Their Gun Rights

[Greater Cesnica]

So...No license needed for an AR-15 under your proposal.

Hmmm, idk, maybe rifle style weapons are also required license. Idk

Why? Because there's something "scary" about rifles? Handguns are used in the majority of homicides, the majority of suicides, the majority of mass shootings. The deadliest school shooting in American history involved handguns.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

>AR
>Automatic weapons

Ohboyherewego.doc

Um actually, the Armalite AR-15 is capable of automatic fire. It's the Colt AR-15 that is only available in semi-automatic.

Nah, Colt sells AR-15s to the US Government as the M4A1, formerly the CAR-15.
(Also had the exclusive selling rights to the Government from the get-go of the M16)

The AR-15 family-tree is a funny one.

I think the only people who bought actual armalite production AR-15s with full-auto would be some tribals in Africa, the IRA, and some Belgian law-firm.

[Tarsonis]

As if anyone needed more evidence that the slippery slope is real and not a fallacy, some dumbass Democrat in New York is trying to make people felons if they buy more than 20 bullets for an "assault weapon" every 4 months.

Tried.* The proposed bill has been stricken.