Gun Control 2023 - ATF Shenanigans, States Fight Back!

[Grinning Dragon]

Looks like America's armpit, NJ, went and banned any firearm/BB gun, etc, that doesn't have a serial#, no grandfathering either. As we all know the only reason to require a serial# and have it registered is only for when the day comes to confiscate arms.
New Jersey Politicians Enact Largest Gun Ban in U.S. History

This law banned millions of rifles, shotguns, handguns, hunting guns, target shooting guns, military surplus guns, and virtually ALL muzzleloaders, black powder guns, antique guns, air guns and BB guns....

For ANY firearm to be legal in New Jersey, it must now meet two criteria established by this law:

1) the firearm must be imprinted with a serial number; and

2) the serial number must be registered with a federally licensed manufacturer.

Under these requirements, the following types of firearms are now banned in New Jersey with no grandfathering or exceptions:

1) All pre-1968 rifles, shotguns, and handguns without serial numbers. Warning: Prior to 1968, there was no federal law requiring guns to have serial numbers.

2) All modern rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers with serial numbers, but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most modern imported rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers, plus foreign firearms, and military surplus firearms from countries around the world, if these companies were not federally licensed manufacturers (e.g., Lugers, P-38s, Mausers, Arisakas, Enfields, SKSs, Carcanos, Webleys, Norincos, Mosins, etc.).

3) All BB guns without serial numbers. New Jersey includes BB Guns/Air Guns in its legal definition of a “firearm.”

4) All BB guns with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most BB guns made, because there is no federal firearms manufacturing license required to make BB guns (e.g., Daisy, Crossman, Gamo, etc.).

5) All muzzleloading/black powder firearms without serial numbers. New Jersey includes black powder guns in its legal definition of “firearm.”

6) All muzzleloading/black powder firearms with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most muzzleloading/black powder firearms made and/or imported because there is no federal firearms manufacturing license required to make or import muzzleloading/black powder firearms.
5) All antique firearms without serial numbers. Antique firearms are “firearms” under New Jersey law.

6) All antique firearms with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most antique firearms because a federal firearms manufacturing license did not even exist at the time the antique firearms were manufactured.

The penalties for violating the new law are severe and draconian, as with most NJ gun laws:

1) Under N.J.S. 2C:39-3 n. possession of a banned firearm is a crime of the Third Degree which carries a maximum of five (5) years in State Prison and a $15,000 fine.

2) Under N.J.S. 2C:39-9 k. & n. purchase, transport, shipping, selling, or disposing of a banned firearm is a crime of the Second Degree which carries a maximum of ten (10) years in State Prison and a $150,000 fine.

FPC/GOA/SAF and other firearm rights printers are probably going brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Looks like America's armpit, NJ, went and banned any firearm/BB gun, etc, that doesn't have a serial#, no grandfathering either. As we all know the only reason to require a serial# and have it registered is only for when the day comes to confiscate arms.
New Jersey Politicians Enact Largest Gun Ban in U.S. History

This law banned millions of rifles, shotguns, handguns, hunting guns, target shooting guns, military surplus guns, and virtually ALL muzzleloaders, black powder guns, antique guns, air guns and BB guns....

For ANY firearm to be legal in New Jersey, it must now meet two criteria established by this law:

1) the firearm must be imprinted with a serial number; and

2) the serial number must be registered with a federally licensed manufacturer.

Under these requirements, the following types of firearms are now banned in New Jersey with no grandfathering or exceptions:

1) All pre-1968 rifles, shotguns, and handguns without serial numbers. Warning: Prior to 1968, there was no federal law requiring guns to have serial numbers.

2) All modern rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers with serial numbers, but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most modern imported rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers, plus foreign firearms, and military surplus firearms from countries around the world, if these companies were not federally licensed manufacturers (e.g., Lugers, P-38s, Mausers, Arisakas, Enfields, SKSs, Carcanos, Webleys, Norincos, Mosins, etc.).

3) All BB guns without serial numbers. New Jersey includes BB Guns/Air Guns in its legal definition of a “firearm.”

4) All BB guns with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most BB guns made, because there is no federal firearms manufacturing license required to make BB guns (e.g., Daisy, Crossman, Gamo, etc.).

5) All muzzleloading/black powder firearms without serial numbers. New Jersey includes black powder guns in its legal definition of “firearm.”

6) All muzzleloading/black powder firearms with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most muzzleloading/black powder firearms made and/or imported because there is no federal firearms manufacturing license required to make or import muzzleloading/black powder firearms.
5) All antique firearms without serial numbers. Antique firearms are “firearms” under New Jersey law.

6) All antique firearms with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most antique firearms because a federal firearms manufacturing license did not even exist at the time the antique firearms were manufactured.

The penalties for violating the new law are severe and draconian, as with most NJ gun laws:

1) Under N.J.S. 2C:39-3 n. possession of a banned firearm is a crime of the Third Degree which carries a maximum of five (5) years in State Prison and a $15,000 fine.

2) Under N.J.S. 2C:39-9 k. & n. purchase, transport, shipping, selling, or disposing of a banned firearm is a crime of the Second Degree which carries a maximum of ten (10) years in State Prison and a $150,000 fine.

FPC/GOA/SAF and other firearm rights printers are probably going brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

And just like that, an entire state just collectively told the Politicians to go pound sand. Nobody is going to comply with this, including law enforcement enforcing this. Lol, get fucked.

[Eternal Algerstonia]

i think the gun movement needs to rally behind making sure nobody can get arrested for using water guns, water guns are firearms too and their use should be decriminalized in all cases

[Arval Va]

You've said this before. Please, we all know this won't convince them. Save everyone the trouble.

Of course it won't, we don't believe rights should be lessened without due process or curtailed after debts to society are paid.

My point is that pathos is a shit way to argue for policy changes but you do you I guess.

[Juansonia]

i think the gun movement needs to rally behind making sure nobody can get arrested for using water guns, water guns are firearms too and their use should be decriminalized in all cases

Firearms are fire arms, water is the opposite of fire. water arms aren't fire arms.

Checkmate.

[Paddy O Fernature]

i think the gun movement needs to rally behind making sure nobody can get arrested for using water guns, water guns are firearms too and their use should be decriminalized in all cases

Firearms are fire arms, water is the opposite of fire. water arms aren't fire arms.

Checkmate.

Oh shi.....

[American Legionaries]

Of course it won't, we don't believe rights should be lessened without due process or curtailed after debts to society are paid.

My point is that pathos is a shit way to argue for policy changes but you do you I guess.

And yet...

[Arval Va]

My point is that pathos is a shit way to argue for policy changes but you do you I guess.

And yet...

And…?

[American Legionaries]

And yet...

And…?

Given that pathos has been your methodology from the beginning. It seems rather silly of you to denigrate the strategy.

[Arval Va]

And…?

Given that pathos has been your methodology from the beginning. It seems rather silly of you to denigrate the strategy.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not my fault you can't distinguish having any empathy and constantly screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??????"

[Paddy O Fernature]

Given that pathos has been your methodology from the beginning. It seems rather silly of you to denigrate the strategy.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not my fault you can't distinguish having any empathy and constantly screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??????"

Believe me, nobody here is accusing you of having genuine empathy towards dead children on this topic.

[American Legionaries]

Given that pathos has been your methodology from the beginning. It seems rather silly of you to denigrate the strategy.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not my fault you can't distinguish having any empathy and constantly screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??????"

No need to apologize for things you make up, you could just not make them up.

[Trump Almighty]

i think the gun movement needs to rally behind making sure nobody can get arrested for using water guns, water guns are firearms too and their use should be decriminalized in all cases

My man Eternal Algerstonia is spitting facts. Anyways, I find my position on guns to be pretty clear, really. We’ve stood firm on any new laws against gun ownership

[Arval Va]

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it's not my fault you can't distinguish having any empathy and constantly screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN??????"

No need to apologize for things you make up, you could just not make them up.

Please forgive me for taking your analysis of what I've written with a grain of salt.

[Eternal Algerstonia]

Firearms are fire arms, water is the opposite of fire. water arms aren't fire arms.

Checkmate.

Oh shi.....

is this a good conservative combining guns and flamethrowers or is this a woke liberal burning our guns to ashes

[Paddy O Fernature]

Oh shi.....

is this a good conservative combining guns and flamethrowers or is this a woke liberal burning our guns to ashes

Borat, is that you?

[San Lumen]

Looks like America's armpit, NJ, went and banned any firearm/BB gun, etc, that doesn't have a serial#, no grandfathering either. As we all know the only reason to require a serial# and have it registered is only for when the day comes to confiscate arms.
New Jersey Politicians Enact Largest Gun Ban in U.S. History

This law banned millions of rifles, shotguns, handguns, hunting guns, target shooting guns, military surplus guns, and virtually ALL muzzleloaders, black powder guns, antique guns, air guns and BB guns....

For ANY firearm to be legal in New Jersey, it must now meet two criteria established by this law:

1) the firearm must be imprinted with a serial number; and

2) the serial number must be registered with a federally licensed manufacturer.

Under these requirements, the following types of firearms are now banned in New Jersey with no grandfathering or exceptions:

1) All pre-1968 rifles, shotguns, and handguns without serial numbers. Warning: Prior to 1968, there was no federal law requiring guns to have serial numbers.

2) All modern rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers with serial numbers, but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most modern imported rifles, shotguns, pistols, and revolvers, plus foreign firearms, and military surplus firearms from countries around the world, if these companies were not federally licensed manufacturers (e.g., Lugers, P-38s, Mausers, Arisakas, Enfields, SKSs, Carcanos, Webleys, Norincos, Mosins, etc.).

3) All BB guns without serial numbers. New Jersey includes BB Guns/Air Guns in its legal definition of a “firearm.”

4) All BB guns with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most BB guns made, because there is no federal firearms manufacturing license required to make BB guns (e.g., Daisy, Crossman, Gamo, etc.).

5) All muzzleloading/black powder firearms without serial numbers. New Jersey includes black powder guns in its legal definition of “firearm.”

6) All muzzleloading/black powder firearms with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most muzzleloading/black powder firearms made and/or imported because there is no federal firearms manufacturing license required to make or import muzzleloading/black powder firearms.
5) All antique firearms without serial numbers. Antique firearms are “firearms” under New Jersey law.

6) All antique firearms with serial numbers but are not registered with a federally licensed manufacturer. This would include most antique firearms because a federal firearms manufacturing license did not even exist at the time the antique firearms were manufactured.

The penalties for violating the new law are severe and draconian, as with most NJ gun laws:

1) Under N.J.S. 2C:39-3 n. possession of a banned firearm is a crime of the Third Degree which carries a maximum of five (5) years in State Prison and a $15,000 fine.

2) Under N.J.S. 2C:39-9 k. & n. purchase, transport, shipping, selling, or disposing of a banned firearm is a crime of the Second Degree which carries a maximum of ten (10) years in State Prison and a $150,000 fine.

FPC/GOA/SAF and other firearm rights printers are probably going brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Good but you and others don't like it. Tell me if the second amendment is absolute why is no other? Why don't I have the right the to send threatening letters to elected officials and not get arrested?

[Galloism]

Good but you and others don't like it. Tell me if the second amendment is absolute why is no other? Why don't I have the right the to send threatening letters to elected officials and not get arrested?

Who can forget all the murders committed with Red Ryder bb guns (which are now banned in NJ, apparently).

[Tarsonis]

No need to apologize for things you make up, you could just not make them up.

Please forgive me for taking your analysis of what I've written with a grain of salt.

What analysis? Pathos to argument is literally just emotional manipulation by another term. You're not making an argument, or offering proposal to debate, you're just trying to guilt trip them into moving off their positions.

Since you're so keen on empathy and pathos, consider this: yes folks like AL and GD are prickly to say the least, but have you considered that maybe they're just tired of people erroneously throwing every dead kid in America at their feet and blaming for them for it, for the last 30 years.

Logic and reason rule the day here, not emotive appeals.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The idea of black powder firearms having serial numbers is so fucking silly to me. Yeah, let me just give you the manufacturers info on my arquebus.

[Paddy O Fernature]

Good but you and others don't like it. Tell me if the second amendment is absolute why is no other? Why don't I have the right the to send threatening letters to elected officials and not get arrested?

Who can forget all the murders committed with Red Ryder bb guns (which are now banned in NJ, apparently).

We have saved so many lives that would have been tragically lost in Mass Shootings committed with Hawkens Rifles...

The idea of black powder firearms having serial numbers is so fucking silly to me. Yeah, let me just give you the manufacturers info on my arquebus.

I'm sure I can find one somewhere on my Brown Bess....

[American Legionaries]

No need to apologize for things you make up, you could just not make them up.

Please forgive me for taking your analysis of what I've written with a grain of salt.

No.

[Paddy O Fernature]

I mean, were all in agreement here that this laughable piece of TP Legislation isn't going to survive when challenged in court, right?

[Tarsonis]

Looks like America's armpit, NJ, went and banned any firearm/BB gun, etc, that doesn't have a serial#, no grandfathering either. As we all know the only reason to require a serial# and have it registered is only for when the day comes to confiscate arms.
New Jersey Politicians Enact Largest Gun Ban in U.S. History


FPC/GOA/SAF and other firearm rights printers are probably going brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Good but you and others don't like it. Tell me if the second amendment is absolute why is no other? Why don't I have the right the to send threatening letters to elected officials and not get arrested?

Once again, you need a reason to make something illegal, not a reason to permit it. The onus is on you, who wants something banned, to provide justification for said ban, not on others to explain why guns should be allowed.

It's also worth noting that the legality of threatening letters is complicated issue, and you technically do have that right to some degree.

[Tarsonis]

I mean, were all in agreement here that this laughable piece of TP Legislation isn't going to survive when challenged in court, right?

No, because I don't trust "Ammoland"s assessment of anything. I'd have to read the actual bill.