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by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:44 am
by Australian rePublic » Mon Jan 16, 2023 6:08 am
by Ifreann » Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:25 pm
Vikanias wrote:Ifreann wrote:If people who suffer minor property damage run off to donate to right wing causes then the rational course of action for protesters is to cause much more than minor damage.
Say that to the people who get robbed and their stores burned down, not everyone can afford to rebuild or rebuy thing like you can, many small business’s that get targeted can’t afford that and have to shut down what may have taken them years to get in the first place, insurance also acts like a massive dick sometimes and refuses to help. Stop acting like everyone can just afford to rebuild things and stand idly by while their shit gets destroyed.
Australian rePublic wrote:IF you glue yourself to the road, you risk blocking access to ambulances rushing to an unconscious patient, you risk blocking access to police cars rushing to the scene of a violent crime, you risk blocking access to a man driving his pregnant partner to the hospital to give birth, you risk blocking access to someone who has a urinary tract infection and has to go to the toilet, you risk blocking access to a truck carrying explosives, whose truck driver is already tired trying to make a deadline and will be even more delayed and even more tired, when you block the road, you risk blocking access to a hospitality worker who's been standing up for 14 hours in high heels, is dead tired and barely has enough energy to drive home, let alone risk delays. When you block the road, you risk blocking access to a taxi driver who is trying to make a living and is losing business and/or a taxi passenger who has to pay extra on the meter, When you block the road, you risking preventing someone from attending a funeral, or to see someone in their dying hours. There are many, many, many more factors that I could add to the list, but hopefully you get the point. Now, I am just one person who came up with this list. If you're part of an entire committee planning a protest and you failed to consider even some of those factors (or alternate ones) then your committee is even stupider and more dangerous than the average anti-vaxxer committee (a level of stupidity which is genuinely so difficult to achieve that I don't even know if there is a word for that level of idiocy), and you if you did consider those, but chose to block the roads anyway, then you're a supreme arsehole who deserves punishment. (But then again, this is the same organisation who glued themselves to the floor of a company as a form of protest and expected that company to provide them with basic amenities at their own expense, without even considering that they would need a toilet let alone anything else, so we can't rule out supreme idiocy)
by Juansonia » Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:03 pm
Police block the road all of the time. Why don't you condemn them for the harm they cause to (ambulances, fire services, the pregnant, the ill, hazardous cargo, hospitality workers, taxis, the grieving, etc.)? They are demonstrably either too stupid to serve or too assholish to go unpunished.Australian rePublic wrote:IF you glue yourself to the road, you risk blocking access to ambulances rushing to an unconscious patient, you risk blocking access to police cars rushing to the scene of a violent crime, you risk blocking access to a man driving his pregnant partner to the hospital to give birth, you risk blocking access to someone who has a urinary tract infection and has to go to the toilet, you risk blocking access to a truck carrying explosives, whose truck driver is already tired trying to make a deadline and will be even more delayed and even more tired, when you block the road, you risk blocking access to a hospitality worker who's been standing up for 14 hours in high heels, is dead tired and barely has enough energy to drive home, let alone risk delays. When you block the road, you risk blocking access to a taxi driver who is trying to make a living and is losing business and/or a taxi passenger who has to pay extra on the meter, When you block the road, you risking preventing someone from attending a funeral, or to see someone in their dying hours. There are many, many, many more factors that I could add to the list, but hopefully you get the point. Now, I am just one person who came up with this list. If you're part of an entire committee planning a protest and you failed to consider even some of those factors (or alternate ones) then your committee is even stupider and more dangerous than the average anti-vaxxer committee (a level of stupidity which is genuinely so difficult to achieve that I don't even know if there is a word for that level of idiocy), and you if you did consider those, but chose to block the roads anyway, then you're a supreme arsehole who deserves punishment. (But then again, this is the same organisation who glued themselves to the floor of a company as a form of protest and expected that company to provide them with basic amenities at their own expense, without even considering that they would need a toilet let alone anything else, so we can't rule out supreme idiocy)
Space Squid wrote:Each sin should get it's own month.
Right now, Pride gets June, and Greed, Envy, and Gluttony have to share Thanksgiving/Black Friday through Christmas, Sloth gets one day in September, and Lust gets one day in February.
It's not equitable at all
Gandoor wrote:Cliché: A mod making a reply that's full of swearing after someone asks if you're allowed to swear on this site.
It makes me chuckle every time it happens.
by Cachard Calia » Mon Jan 16, 2023 2:57 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Cachard Calia wrote:It's kinda the point that they can't. It says, "Hey, help us get (x) or we'll keep fucking up your life."
Dude, you've just described terrorism. "Hey, you, join my political cause or suffer violence". That's terrorism. That's the literal terrorism, albeit, soft core terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless. Terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." and protests which turn violent for the purposes of coercing the general public to join them definitely meet that definition.
by Vistulange » Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:07 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Cachard Calia wrote:It's kinda the point that they can't. It says, "Hey, help us get (x) or we'll keep fucking up your life."
Dude, you've just described terrorism. "Hey, you, join my political cause or suffer violence". That's terrorism. That's the literal terrorism, albeit, soft core terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless. Terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." and protests which turn violent for the purposes of coercing the general public to join them definitely meet that definition.
by Juansonia » Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:08 pm
"It isn't terrorism when I do it"Cachard Calia wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Dude, you've just described terrorism. "Hey, you, join my political cause or suffer violence". That's terrorism. That's the literal terrorism, albeit, soft core terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless. Terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." and protests which turn violent for the purposes of coercing the general public to join them definitely meet that definition.
In that case, a significant percentage of all American politics in history has been terrorism.
Space Squid wrote:Each sin should get it's own month.
Right now, Pride gets June, and Greed, Envy, and Gluttony have to share Thanksgiving/Black Friday through Christmas, Sloth gets one day in September, and Lust gets one day in February.
It's not equitable at all
Gandoor wrote:Cliché: A mod making a reply that's full of swearing after someone asks if you're allowed to swear on this site.
It makes me chuckle every time it happens.
by Australian rePublic » Mon Jan 16, 2023 4:42 pm
Cachard Calia wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Dude, you've just described terrorism. "Hey, you, join my political cause or suffer violence". That's terrorism. That's the literal terrorism, albeit, soft core terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless. Terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." and protests which turn violent for the purposes of coercing the general public to join them definitely meet that definition.
In that case, a significant percentage of all American politics in history has been terrorism.
by Australian rePublic » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:42 pm
Juansonia wrote:Police block the road all of the time. Why don't you condemn them for the harm they cause to (ambulances, fire services, the pregnant, the ill, hazardous cargo, hospitality workers, taxis, the grieving, etc.)? They are demonstrably either too stupid to serve or too assholish to go unpunished.Australian rePublic wrote:IF you glue yourself to the road, you risk blocking access to ambulances rushing to an unconscious patient, you risk blocking access to police cars rushing to the scene of a violent crime, you risk blocking access to a man driving his pregnant partner to the hospital to give birth, you risk blocking access to someone who has a urinary tract infection and has to go to the toilet, you risk blocking access to a truck carrying explosives, whose truck driver is already tired trying to make a deadline and will be even more delayed and even more tired, when you block the road, you risk blocking access to a hospitality worker who's been standing up for 14 hours in high heels, is dead tired and barely has enough energy to drive home, let alone risk delays. When you block the road, you risk blocking access to a taxi driver who is trying to make a living and is losing business and/or a taxi passenger who has to pay extra on the meter, When you block the road, you risking preventing someone from attending a funeral, or to see someone in their dying hours. There are many, many, many more factors that I could add to the list, but hopefully you get the point. Now, I am just one person who came up with this list. If you're part of an entire committee planning a protest and you failed to consider even some of those factors (or alternate ones) then your committee is even stupider and more dangerous than the average anti-vaxxer committee (a level of stupidity which is genuinely so difficult to achieve that I don't even know if there is a word for that level of idiocy), and you if you did consider those, but chose to block the roads anyway, then you're a supreme arsehole who deserves punishment. (But then again, this is the same organisation who glued themselves to the floor of a company as a form of protest and expected that company to provide them with basic amenities at their own expense, without even considering that they would need a toilet let alone anything else, so we can't rule out supreme idiocy)
by Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:53 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Juansonia wrote:Police block the road all of the time. Why don't you condemn them for the harm they cause to (ambulances, fire services, the pregnant, the ill, hazardous cargo, hospitality workers, taxis, the grieving, etc.)? They are demonstrably either too stupid to serve or too assholish to go unpunished.
That is an utterly stupid comparison. One is a group of professionals who risk their lives day in and day out to keep the community and are just trying to do their very dangerous job in the manner that best they can in a manner to keep themselves and others safe. The other is a group of yahoos who sit around all day plotting how to be a public nuisance.
by Maralago » Mon Jan 16, 2023 7:56 pm
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
by Cachard Calia » Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Maralago wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
That's what I think.
Protest can be inconvinient, but permitting it is a must for any country that remotely claims to be democratic or free. Only authoritarian regimes supress protests.
by Australian rePublic » Mon Jan 16, 2023 11:41 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:That is an utterly stupid comparison. One is a group of professionals who risk their lives day in and day out to keep the community and are just trying to do their very dangerous job in the manner that best they can in a manner to keep themselves and others safe. The other is a group of yahoos who sit around all day plotting how to be a public nuisance.
Idk what it's like in Australia but police here in the States legally do not exist to keep people safe. They exist to enforce whatever the state codifies as law, there is a very large difference between those two things.
by Phoenia » Tue Jan 17, 2023 9:04 am
by Juansonia » Tue Jan 17, 2023 10:57 am
Without even half a year's training, and without any obligation to know the laws they enforce.Australian rePublic wrote:Juansonia wrote:Police block the road all of the time. Why don't you condemn them for the harm they cause to (ambulances, fire services, the pregnant, the ill, hazardous cargo, hospitality workers, taxis, the grieving, etc.)? They are demonstrably either too stupid to serve or too assholish to go unpunished.
That is an utterly stupid comparison. One is a group of professionals
Busting someone for marijuana charges does nothing to protect others.who risk their lives day in and day out to keep the community and are just trying to do their very dangerous job in the manner that best they can in a manner to keep themselves and others safe.
"The other is a group of people trying to improve their society." FTFYThe other is a group of yahoos who sit around all day plotting how to be a public nuisance.
Even if that was true, I could make the same argument that disruption is necessary to enact change for the better. Why is arresting a methamphetamine user a more noble goal than protecting rights from infringement?
There's not really not much that the cops can do about the fact that there is a lot of crime in your neighbourhood, other than try to address the problem, which is exactly what they're doing by blocking the street
You're right. Conflating police with protestors would imply that protesting is a bad thing.Australian rePublic wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Idk what it's like in Australia but police here in the States legally do not exist to keep people safe. They exist to enforce whatever the state codifies as law, there is a very large difference between those two things.
Incompetent/over-zealous policing is a serious, serious problem but shouldn't be conflated with protestors. I am fortunate that all of my interactions with the police have been competent, and am grateful for that, but incompetent policing shouldn't be conflated with protesting
Space Squid wrote:Each sin should get it's own month.
Right now, Pride gets June, and Greed, Envy, and Gluttony have to share Thanksgiving/Black Friday through Christmas, Sloth gets one day in September, and Lust gets one day in February.
It's not equitable at all
Gandoor wrote:Cliché: A mod making a reply that's full of swearing after someone asks if you're allowed to swear on this site.
It makes me chuckle every time it happens.
by Ifreann » Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:31 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:That is an utterly stupid comparison. One is a group of professionals who risk their lives day in and day out to keep the community and are just trying to do their very dangerous job in the manner that best they can in a manner to keep themselves and others safe. The other is a group of yahoos who sit around all day plotting how to be a public nuisance.
Idk what it's like in Australia but police here in the States legally do not exist to keep people safe. They exist to enforce whatever the state codifies as law, there is a very large difference between those two things.
by Australian rePublic » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:24 am
Vistulange wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Dude, you've just described terrorism. "Hey, you, join my political cause or suffer violence". That's terrorism. That's the literal terrorism, albeit, soft core terrorism, but terrorism nonetheless. Terrorism is defined as "the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims." and protests which turn violent for the purposes of coercing the general public to join them definitely meet that definition.
Not quite. There's a really lively debate on what terrorism is, both within the scholarly community and outside it; nevertheless I don't think anybody save for the likes of Putin, Xi, and Erdoğan consider disruptions to daily life to be "terrorism".
And if you do, well, I'll let you get better acquainted with Kazak Yeli.
Ifreann wrote:Vikanias wrote:
Say that to the people who get robbed and their stores burned down, not everyone can afford to rebuild or rebuy thing like you can, many small business’s that get targeted can’t afford that and have to shut down what may have taken them years to get in the first place, insurance also acts like a massive dick sometimes and refuses to help. Stop acting like everyone can just afford to rebuild things and stand idly by while their shit gets destroyed.
My whole point is that people can't afford to deal with major property damage and have money left over to donate to right wing causes. So if a protester were afraid that doing a little property damage would just benefit causes they're opposed to, a concept my post is addressing, then the obvious thing to do is cause more expensive property damage.
Of course, it probably isn't true that there's a big trend of people getting their windshield cracked and then donating to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defence fund. Right wingers just like to tell these little stories and don't think them through.Portzania wrote:
what
What part of my post confused you?
by El Lazaro » Fri Feb 03, 2023 12:34 am
by Australian rePublic » Fri Feb 03, 2023 1:35 am
El Lazaro wrote:While I doubt NSG is to blame for this, apparently UK PM Rishi Sunak is pushing legislation that would allow police to arbitrarily shut down a protest before it begins if they think it’ll be bothersome. Authoritarians really don’t seem to care about protests being mildly inconvenient unless they disagree with the views expressed, it seems.
by The Black Forrest » Fri Feb 03, 2023 2:51 am
by Ifreann » Fri Feb 03, 2023 6:03 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Ifreann wrote:My whole point is that people can't afford to deal with major property damage and have money left over to donate to right wing causes. So if a protester were afraid that doing a little property damage would just benefit causes they're opposed to, a concept my post is addressing, then the obvious thing to do is cause more expensive property damage.
Of course, it probably isn't true that there's a big trend of people getting their windshield cracked and then donating to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal defence fund. Right wingers just like to tell these little stories and don't think them through.
What part of my post confused you?
Those I like a freedom fighters, those I don't like are terrorists. **Nods**
by Australian rePublic » Mon Feb 27, 2023 4:37 am
by Ifreann » Mon Feb 27, 2023 6:13 am
Australian rePublic wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/11bqq7f/senator_lidia_thorpe_clashes_with_police_at_mardi/
Well here we have a protestor disrupting a pro-LGBTQI+ parade. Considering how much you seem to love protestors disrupting things and hate parades, I guess this should make you happy
by Portzania » Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:10 am
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