Harry and Meghan Discussion Thread

[Vassenor]

OK, so why should they be prevented from talking about her treatment by the family and household?

Reminder that this is an establishment that was recently in hot water because of a notable person within it who refused to believe a black woman could be British and repeatedly pressed her to admit where she “really came from”.

When did that happen?

Last week.

[Yuvaslavia]

This is just an immensely stupid situation. They royals are acting out of line at times, but if Meghan and Harry really wanted to leave this all behind, then why do they keep doing interviews and shows and whatnot?

It pays well.

And keeps 'em relevant.

[Australian rePublic]

When did that happen?

Last week.

And how is that the fault of anyone in the family?

[Vassenor]

Last week.

And how is that the fault of anyone in the family?

So why must the family and household always be depicted in a positive light and never criticised?

[Bombadil]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

[Kerwa]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

I disagree with the probably male part. Women read tabloids at about the same rate and are more likely to be interested in the Royal Family.

But so what? It’s not like they run the tabloids and it’s not like their opinions matter in any case. The fault here, if any, is with the people who run things. Not like they’ll ever admit to their manifold failings however. But at least place blame where it’s due.

[Bombadil]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

I disagree with the probably male part. Women read tabloids at about the same rate and are more likely to be interested in the Royal Family.

But so what? It’s not like they run the tabloids and it’s not like their opinions matter in any case. The fault here, if any, is with the people who run things. Not like they’ll ever admit to their manifold failings however. But at least place blame where it’s due.

Fair point.

[Platoon of Peace]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

I mean England is predominantly white by a significant margin, so it makes sense that the majority of people having an opinion on this would be white. I disagree with your part about the people with negative opinions being guys.

[Bombadil]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

I mean England is predominantly white by a significant margin, so it makes sense that the majority of people having an opinion on this would be white. I disagree with your part about the people with negative opinions being guys.

I mean, most of the outrage I’m seeing is people like Piers Morgan, people who seem to have a fetish for Meghan, but it’s also a media seeking to deflect the blame placed on them by pretending this is some outrage against the Royal Family.

They didn’t learn from hounding Amy Whitehouse, an alcoholic who with mental issues, or Diana herself, the British media love whaling on anyone, frankly, unhappy or complaining about overzealous media attention.

[Vassenor]

I mean England is predominantly white by a significant margin, so it makes sense that the majority of people having an opinion on this would be white. I disagree with your part about the people with negative opinions being guys.

I mean, most of the outrage I’m seeing is people like Piers Morgan, people who seem to have a fetish for Meghan, but it’s also a media seeking to deflect the blame placed on them by pretending this is some outrage against the Royal Family.

They didn’t learn from hounding Amy Whitehouse, an alcoholic who with mental issues, or Diana herself, the British media love whaling on anyone, frankly, unhappy or complaining about overzealous media attention.

Isn’t Piers still salty that Meghan wouldn’t date him?

[Ethel mermania]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

Racism and sexism right off the bat, because a black female can't possibly be an overbearing twat.

[Vassenor]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

Racism and sexism right off the bat, because a black female can't possibly be an overbearing twat.

Overbearing how?

[Mountains and Volcanoes]

Meghan Markle’s Narcissism (+ Numerous Issues; a little bit of Heard too)

[Bombadil]

To have an angry opinion on this likely means you're white, and probably male. This whole thing is skewed by media to focus on her as the cause of all ills, what a surprise.. the black female..?

Long before a nanosecond of the documentary had been seen by anyone, and therefore long before it could name its Goliath, much of Britain’s media had agreed that Harry & Meghan was a poisonous, “one-sided” freak show intent on tearing down the royal family. Plot twist: it turned out that much of the British media was the actual Goliath, and the royal family was what Harry was trying to protect and liberate.

Throughout the programme, Harry’s pain, fury and disgust at the treatment of his family by some wings of the British media was evident for all to see. In the initial instalment, Harry, Meghan and archive footage of Princess Diana illustrated the vivid technical details of persistent press intrusion from cradle to casket. Yet it fell to the historian Prof David Olusoga, a contributor to the documentary, to land the most important point in this regard: the British media, especially the tabloid media, is a white industry. Its interpretation of events, its sense of fair play, importance and what may or may not be appropriate or indeed racist, is all shaped by this undeniable fact.

Racism and sexism right off the bat, because a black female can't possibly be an overbearing twat.

The point of a rabid media building up an image in their own heads and inflicting it on the world is lost here. You don't know her, I don't know her, the media is savagely against her. The Daily Mail devoted 20 pages.. 20 PAGES OF NEWS.. to this documentary alone.

Having recovered from their disappointment over the absence of headline-grabbing details, the papers launched their inevitable counterattack, one that even by their standards was extraordinary in its scale and fury. The Daily Mail carried more than 20 pages on the documentary. The vindictiveness of the tabloids was last week dialled up to new levels, not simply because attacks on Meghan sell papers but because the tabloids themselves have been called out by the Sussexes.

Having lost touch with irony decades ago, the tabloids sought to refute the criticisms levelled against them by engaging in exactly the behaviours of which they stand accused – shameless exaggeration, wilful misinterpretation, misattribution and at times inchoate fury, all the while maintaining their absolute refusal to even countenance the idea that race has any influence over their attitudes.

There's a segment where she recounts being told she needs to curtsy four minutes before meeting the Queen, and then mocks her attempt at curtsying since she'd not done it before. This has been clipped and presented as outright flagrant abuse of the Queen and a stroppy demand not to curtsy at all.

It's pretty pathetic, and it's something the tabloid media does again and again.

Their reaction to a documentary that lays out how the media just hounds and hounds people is lie, misrepresent and bully.

[Tangatarehua]

"We want privacy! Quick, assemble a press team and a film crew and don't forget to get as much media attention as possible!"

[Bombadil]

"We want privacy! Quick, assemble a press team and a film crew and don't forget to get as much media attention as possible!"

How do you complain about the media treatment of you without using the media, the media will continue to hound them regardless. They've had six years of this and they've decided to speak out.

I really don't understand why the media gets such a pass here.

[Platoon of Peace]

"We want privacy! Quick, assemble a press team and a film crew and don't forget to get as much media attention as possible!"

How do you complain about the media treatment of you without using the media, the media will continue to hound them regardless. They've had six years of this and they've decided to speak out.

I really don't understand why the media gets such a pass here.

Nowhere was it mentioned that the media got a pass. If they really want to be left alone, then why do they keep doing documentaries and interviews?

[Bombadil]

How do you complain about the media treatment of you without using the media, the media will continue to hound them regardless. They've had six years of this and they've decided to speak out.

I really don't understand why the media gets such a pass here.

Nowhere was it mentioned that the media got a pass. If they really want to be left alone, then why do they keep doing documentaries and interviews?

Yes, that's what we say to people being bullied, 'keep your head down, I'm sure it will pass..'

Tabloid rule is rule by intimidation. It has long rested on the presumption that no one – not even the royals – would dare to stand up to the papers. The ongoing barrage of fury against the Sussexes is motivated therefore by more than the usual strategy of selling newspapers by monetising hate. It also reflects a creeping realisation that, for all their toxic and unwarranted power, the tabloids are ultimately incapable of destroying this couple.

Their escape across the Atlantic, along with this documentary and Meghan and Harry’s determination to keep talking about the racism of the British tabloid press, is a rejection of tabloid rule.

[The Black Forrest]

I mean, most of the outrage I’m seeing is people like Piers Morgan, people who seem to have a fetish for Meghan, but it’s also a media seeking to deflect the blame placed on them by pretending this is some outrage against the Royal Family.

They didn’t learn from hounding Amy Whitehouse, an alcoholic who with mental issues, or Diana herself, the British media love whaling on anyone, frankly, unhappy or complaining about overzealous media attention.

Isn’t Piers still salty that Meghan wouldn’t date him?

Piers Morgan? He is a wanker. Trying to sound more important then he really is.

Marina Sirtis (counselor troi) used to go at him all the time. I love her as she is total ball breaker…met her once and she still remembers me. Don’t know if its for good reasons

Still. He is trying to be the British tucker Carlson so he will say shit for attention.

[Ethel mermania]

Racism and sexism right off the bat, because a black female can't possibly be an overbearing twat.

The point of a rabid media building up an image in their own heads and inflicting it on the world is lost here. You don't know her, I don't know her, the media is savagely against her. The Daily Mail devoted 20 pages.. 20 PAGES OF NEWS.. to this documentary alone.

Having recovered from their disappointment over the absence of headline-grabbing details, the papers launched their inevitable counterattack, one that even by their standards was extraordinary in its scale and fury. The Daily Mail carried more than 20 pages on the documentary. The vindictiveness of the tabloids was last week dialled up to new levels, not simply because attacks on Meghan sell papers but because the tabloids themselves have been called out by the Sussexes.

Having lost touch with irony decades ago, the tabloids sought to refute the criticisms levelled against them by engaging in exactly the behaviours of which they stand accused – shameless exaggeration, wilful misinterpretation, misattribution and at times inchoate fury, all the while maintaining their absolute refusal to even countenance the idea that race has any influence over their attitudes.

There's a segment where she recounts being told she needs to curtsy four minutes before meeting the Queen, and then mocks her attempt at curtsying since she'd not done it before. This has been clipped and presented as outright flagrant abuse of the Queen and a stroppy demand not to curtsy at all.

It's pretty pathetic, and it's something the tabloid media does again and again.

Their reaction to a documentary that lays out how the media just hounds and hounds people is lie, misrepresent and bully.

I can't really comment on the overall British presses treatment of meghan i am not familiar with it.

The American press have been 50 - 50 pro and anti Meghan. The US's obsession with the British royal family is worthy of a discussion in and of itself.

[Heloin]

All royalty are bad.

[Vassenor]

How do you complain about the media treatment of you without using the media, the media will continue to hound them regardless. They've had six years of this and they've decided to speak out.

I really don't understand why the media gets such a pass here.

Nowhere was it mentioned that the media got a pass. If they really want to be left alone, then why do they keep doing documentaries and interviews?

“We just wanted to be left alone, but since y’all don’t want to do that we’re going to tell our side of the story instead.”

[Tsardom of Alaska]

How does someone not know what a refrigerator is?

[The Black Forrest]

How does someone not know what a refrigerator is?

Eh what now?

[Free Algerstonia]

How does someone not know what a refrigerator is?

Eh what now?

is your refridgerator running? well you better go catch it!!!!!