Left-wing Extremism: A "Diversity" of Tactics

[Betoni]

1. The vast majority of people do not think Hillary Clinton is a communist. A satanist, a globalist, leftist, etc, yes, but I can probably count the number of times she has been called a communist on my hands.

> leftist

Thank you for proving my point.

2. The idea that the west (only the west? Where is the great enlightenment of leftwing ideas taking place then) is somehow politically crippled and just doesn't discuss leftwing ideas is bizarre.

There are definitely places in the world where you will read about Marxism or other leftist ideologies in their context as historical movements as part of schooling - just not generally anywhere in the developed world.

3. Universities are a crapshoot on if you will receive a real education or not. Half of the time you are going to be fed an utopian illusion on leftwing ideals there.

Again here's that truncation at work - ask any actual university leftist if many their professors are leftists and they will laugh and say 'of course not'. Again the entire left half of the spectrum in most of the developed world was chopped off at the elbow so long ago that such utopian radical ideas as squishy Nordic social democracy or Elizabeth Warren Democrats are now apparently beyond the pale.

Would be interest to know what exactly you consider to be "the developed world"? Because none of that makes sense from my perspective. You keep making these seemingly sweeping statements but then adding hedge words and qualifiers that are unhelpful for precision to say the least. For example "actual university leftist" "Marxism or other leftist ideologies in their context as historical movements". I used to be a university student, and was even more left leaning in my politics back then and still consider myself to be of the left. I think I had a decent enough education on Marxism and other leftist ideology and I considered most of my professors to be leftist. Now, I don't pretend that my personal experience is any kind of representation of "the developed world" like you seem to be doing. Are these claims about the state of education in the developed world based on anything else than your personal experience or even that?

[Transsibiria]

BHere's some genuinely constructive, non-sarcastic advice: If you want to introduce socialism to right wing Americans, start with pro-natalist policy. They'll come around.

See thats exactly what I mean. I am pro-natalist and so are most working class people as long as they can afford it, with material conditions being the real problem in the United States and the Industrialized world being limiting the people's ability to raise children, because they are put in a an increasingly extreme hamsterwheel by late stage capitalism from the moment they leave high-school.

Essentially raising a family or bearing children has under the current condition and ideology become a material luxury rather than the norm. People are delaying it until they are getting into an age where biology comes menancing close in setting limits. And that alone should tell you a lot about whats wrong with things.

The GOP does nothing to fix this problem being the party of big business themself. What they offer are fake solutions to fake problems or problems and conditions they had an hand in creating. It's the essence and definiton of a scam and grift. They are part of the problem, not the solution. (its not that the Democrats are any better)

That and Hollywood and mass media propaganda that gives them dysfunctional role models based on extreme individualism.

Like banning natural gas heaters in California. I guess if poor people get cold then they can just keep warm by burning $100 bills instead.

Thats not on the left but on the liberals. Specifically this enviromental fanatic woke liberal type I guess. I have been blasted their failed energy policy for California elsewhere already. Again who could possibly come up with such an idea? Individuals who are completly detached from the people.

[The United Front Empire]

BHere's some genuinely constructive, non-sarcastic advice: If you want to introduce socialism to right wing Americans, start with pro-natalist policy. They'll come around.

See thats exactly what I mean. I am pro-natalist and so are most working class people as long as they can afford it, with material conditions being the real problem in the United States and the Industrialized world being limiting the people's ability to raise children, because they are put in a an increasingly extreme hamsterwheel by late stage capitalism from the moment they leave high-school.

Essentially raising a family or bearing children has under the current condition and ideology become a luxury rather than the norm. People are delaying it until they are getting into an age where biology comes menancing close in setting limits. And that alone should tell you a lot about whats wrong with things.

The GOP does nothing to fix this problem being the party of big business themself. What they offer are fake solutions to fake problems or problems and conditions they had an hand in creating. It's the essence and definiton of a scam and grift. They are part of the problem, not the solution. (its not that the Democrats are any better)

That and Hollywood and mass media propaganda that gives them dysfunctional role models based on extreme individualism.

Like banning natural gas heaters in California. I guess if poor people get cold then they can just keep warm by burning $100 bills instead.

Thats not on the left but on the liberals. Specifically this enviromental fanatic woke liberal type I guess. I have been blasted their failed energy policy for California elsewhere already. Again who could possibly come up with such an idea? Individuals who are completly detached from the people.

See this is the kind of leftism I respect and would actually take some pointers from. I consider myself an independent at my core, I've just been driven to the right over the last decade.

I believe the reason you see the current woke brand leftism is at its core spiritual. It doesn't matter if you're not religious, the leaders of groups pushing this movement are. They are open satanists and moloch worshippers. And while we may believe that's crazy, they don't. So they continue to push policies that harm as many people as possible, mutilate people, etc. then ask you to not believe your lying eyes when the policies fail for you and people you know.

[Ifreann]

seduced by Marxist ideology

Karl Marx's thick, juicy ass cheeks made me communist.

[Kubra]

> leftist

Thank you for proving my point.



There are definitely places in the world where you will read about Marxism or other leftist ideologies in their context as historical movements as part of schooling - just not generally anywhere in the developed world.



Again here's that truncation at work - ask any actual university leftist if many their professors are leftists and they will laugh and say 'of course not'. Again the entire left half of the spectrum in most of the developed world was chopped off at the elbow so long ago that such utopian radical ideas as squishy Nordic social democracy or Elizabeth Warren Democrats are now apparently beyond the pale.

Would be interest to know what exactly you consider to be "the developed world"? Because none of that makes sense from my perspective. You keep making these seemingly sweeping statements but then adding hedge words and qualifiers that are unhelpful for precision to say the least. For example "actual university leftist" "Marxism or other leftist ideologies in their context as historical movements". I used to be a university student, and was even more left leaning in my politics back then and still consider myself to be of the left. I think I had a decent enough education on Marxism and other leftist ideology and I considered most of my professors to be leftist. Now, I don't pretend that my personal experience is any kind of representation of "the developed world" like you seem to be doing. Are these claims about the state of education in the developed world based on anything else than your personal experience or even that?

We're both Canadians, so I guess that probably informs our perspective. I mean browse most university course lists for us northerners, you won't find many classes about the left specifically. Best I can do is the usual crit theory theory classes and one history class at UBC (because of course UBC) on revolution in the third world.
That may of course reflect, again, our very North American situation. IIRC studying marxism was more a french and japanese thing, I dunno about these days though. I ain't french or japanese.

[Nieraland]

My old university was a far-left echo chamber. It was quite annoying and only served to make me more aware of the dangers and bigotry of the far-left. If you were conservative, or worse a moderate like me, then they would not let you have peace. Professors commonly used class for far-left indoctrination instead of teaching the subject. Anyone who was perceived as a conservative, moderate, or libertarian was alienated and found their grades being mysteriously lower than their far-left counter-parts, even when said counter-parts rarely actually did any work.

The best way to combat far-left extremism, and all extremism, is to introduce different ideas to them. Of course, the problem is that such extremists are generally closed-minded, hateful people who despise all opinions but their own. It's not impossible, but very difficult.

[Laasmistan]

Tbh, I have always been politically left-leaning. However, I have been different degrees of leftist during different phases of my life. At one point in my life I was admittedly an extremist and did essentially retain an echo-chamber. However, in recent years I have moved away from that. I think becoming more religious has helped since a lot of the extreme leftist elements are not particularly sympathetic towards the faithful.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

Left-wing echo chambers don't really exist, at least not at the level of right-wing echo chambers. Leftists just don't agree on anything. With rightists, you have like four factions: centrists/moderates, libertarians, monarchists, and fascists/far-rightists. People within these groups usually agree on most issues, from what I've seen, and they sometimes agree with other groups too. This is not the case for leftists. You've got your social democrats, your libertarians, your anarchists, your stalinists, your marxists, etc. These groups mostly agree on core issues, but they vary widely on what to actually do about them. This is true for rightists as well, but in the left there is much more infighting.

[The United Penguin Commonwealth]

I was very anti-socialist in the 2000s in part because anti-socialism came as a package deal with anti-feminism and I'm pretty convinced feminism is bad. But what if us moral traditionalists flipped the script and actually went full socialist by using government programs specifically to reward behavior we want, like getting married in real father+mother families and having children? Right wing socialism could be a thing.

https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/C ... _Socialism

[Laasmistan]

Left-wing echo chambers don't really exist, at least not at the level of right-wing echo chambers. Leftists just don't agree on anything. With rightists, you have like four factions: centrists/moderates, libertarians, monarchists, and fascists/far-rightists. People within these groups usually agree on most issues, from what I've seen, and they sometimes agree with other groups too. This is not the case for leftists. You've got your social democrats, your libertarians, your anarchists, your stalinists, your marxists, etc. These groups mostly agree on core issues, but they vary widely on what to actually do about them. This is true for rightists as well, but in the left there is much more infighting.

Yea, this is a fair point. As an Islamic Socialist, for example, I don't really have much in common with your average Marxist-Leninist.

[The New Rio Grande]

I was very anti-socialist in the 2000s in part because anti-socialism came as a package deal with anti-feminism and I'm pretty convinced feminism is bad. But what if us moral traditionalists flipped the script and actually went full socialist by using government programs specifically to reward behavior we want, like getting married in real father+mother families and having children? Right wing socialism could be a thing.

https://polcompball.miraheze.org/wiki/C ... _Socialism

Disgusting.

[Laasmistan]

My old university was a far-left echo chamber. It was quite annoying and only served to make me more aware of the dangers and bigotry of the far-left. If you were conservative, or worse a moderate like me, then they would not let you have peace. Professors commonly used class for far-left indoctrination instead of teaching the subject. Anyone who was perceived as a conservative, moderate, or libertarian was alienated and found their grades being mysteriously lower than their far-left counter-parts, even when said counter-parts rarely actually did any work.

The best way to combat far-left extremism, and all extremism, is to introduce different ideas to them. Of course, the problem is that such extremists are generally closed-minded, hateful people who despise all opinions but their own. It's not impossible, but very difficult.

I doubt anyone was getting higher grades simply for being left-wing.

[El Lazaro]

I was very anti-socialist in the 2000s in part because anti-socialism came as a package deal with anti-feminism and I'm pretty convinced feminism is bad. But what if us moral traditionalists flipped the script and actually went full socialist by using government programs specifically to reward behavior we want, like getting married in real father+mother families and having children? Right wing socialism could be a thing.

This isn’t a new idea; it was just called fascism before WW2. Fascists despised welfare because it kept “undesirables” in the population, but ran social programs for those who adhered to the heroic national archetype. Economic regulations were not used to protect the common good, but to exert total power over society. The goal of fascism was to create a harmonious society of ideal citizens through an omnipresent state.

[Nilokeras]

My old university was a far-left echo chamber. It was quite annoying and only served to make me more aware of the dangers and bigotry of the far-left. If you were conservative, or worse a moderate like me, then they would not let you have peace. Professors commonly used class for far-left indoctrination instead of teaching the subject. Anyone who was perceived as a conservative, moderate, or libertarian was alienated and found their grades being mysteriously lower than their far-left counter-parts, even when said counter-parts rarely actually did any work.

The best way to combat far-left extremism, and all extremism, is to introduce different ideas to them. Of course, the problem is that such extremists are generally closed-minded, hateful people who despise all opinions but their own. It's not impossible, but very difficult.

Oh look we found that student who got famous on twitter for enrolling in a microbiology class and for the term paper started their piece with 'I disagree with the unconstitutional restriction on speech in this assignment' then spat out a whole essay on medieval art history.

[Terminus Station]

In regards to left-wing extremism and Marxist ideology,

• Has anyone here escaped the far-left echo-chamber?
• What did it take for you to get away from the collectivist cult?
• Have any of your friends (or family) been seduced by Marxist ideology?
• What can be done to help people renounce left-wing extremism?

(Yes, this is a direct challenge to this topic. Extremism exists on both sides, and we're going to talk about it, gosh darn it!)

the answer to any political extremism is by becoming more moderate. You dont need to be racist and instead want better governmental supports for immigrants, you dont need to be anti-men to want better rights for women. Somewhere along the line, those things get twisted into extremisms that they forget what they wanted to protect. I know there are a lot of tankies/commies on this website who think making everyone poor is the best form of equality even though capitalism has proven to be the superior mode of operation, but there is value in the basic idea that those at the bottom of society should be given the means to better themselves. Which capitalism does but I digress.

Trans rights are human rights. Biological sex is real. If either of those statements triggers you then you're an extremist.

[Kubra]

My old university was a far-left echo chamber. It was quite annoying and only served to make me more aware of the dangers and bigotry of the far-left. If you were conservative, or worse a moderate like me, then they would not let you have peace. Professors commonly used class for far-left indoctrination instead of teaching the subject. Anyone who was perceived as a conservative, moderate, or libertarian was alienated and found their grades being mysteriously lower than their far-left counter-parts, even when said counter-parts rarely actually did any work.

The best way to combat far-left extremism, and all extremism, is to introduce different ideas to them. Of course, the problem is that such extremists are generally closed-minded, hateful people who despise all opinions but their own. It's not impossible, but very difficult.

Oh look we found that student who got famous on twitter for enrolling in a microbiology class and for the term paper started their piece with 'I disagree with the unconstitutional restriction on speech in this assignment' then spat out a whole essay on medieval art history.

Source pls

[The New Rio Grande]

Oh look we found that student who got famous on twitter for enrolling in a microbiology class and for the term paper started their piece with 'I disagree with the unconstitutional restriction on speech in this assignment' then spat out a whole essay on medieval art history.

Source pls

“My source is that I made it the fuck up.” -Extremist’s source.

[Terminus Station]

Oh look we found that student who got famous on twitter for enrolling in a microbiology class and for the term paper started their piece with 'I disagree with the unconstitutional restriction on speech in this assignment' then spat out a whole essay on medieval art history.

Source pls

dont mind Nilo, he's our resident 24/7 forum poster. He doesn't actually have anything to say except "muh communism". Like the post you quoted, he's more accustomed to whataboutisms and ad hominems because he doesnt know how to defend his ideas properly.

[Sordhau]

My old university was a far-left echo chamber. It was quite annoying and only served to make me more aware of the dangers and bigotry of the far-left. If you were conservative, or worse a moderate like me, then they would not let you have peace. Professors commonly used class for far-left indoctrination instead of teaching the subject. Anyone who was perceived as a conservative, moderate, or libertarian was alienated and found their grades being mysteriously lower than their far-left counter-parts, even when said counter-parts rarely actually did any work.

The best way to combat far-left extremism, and all extremism, is to introduce different ideas to them. Of course, the problem is that such extremists are generally closed-minded, hateful people who despise all opinions but their own. It's not impossible, but very difficult.

This a very fascinating way to admit you were a terrible student by trying to project your own failing onto others and insist there was some conspiracy by a vague group of people trying to keep you down because of your politics.

[Kubra]

Source pls

dont mind Nilo, he's our resident 24/7 forum poster. He doesn't actually have anything to say except "muh communism". Like the post you quoted, he's more accustomed to whataboutisms and ad hominems because he doesnt know how to defend his ideas properly.

As in I want the source because it sounds hilarious, not out of doubt
In case you forgot, I'm also a 24/7 communism poster

[Terminus Station]

My old university was a far-left echo chamber. It was quite annoying and only served to make me more aware of the dangers and bigotry of the far-left. If you were conservative, or worse a moderate like me, then they would not let you have peace. Professors commonly used class for far-left indoctrination instead of teaching the subject. Anyone who was perceived as a conservative, moderate, or libertarian was alienated and found their grades being mysteriously lower than their far-left counter-parts, even when said counter-parts rarely actually did any work.

The best way to combat far-left extremism, and all extremism, is to introduce different ideas to them. Of course, the problem is that such extremists are generally closed-minded, hateful people who despise all opinions but their own. It's not impossible, but very difficult.

This a very fascinating way to admit you were a terrible student by trying to project your own failing onto others and insist there was some conspiracy by a vague group of people trying to keep you down because of your politics.

its almost like right-wing conservative talking points are scientifically invalid. Its like that simpsons meme, "Am I wrong? No it cant be, it must be all the scientific majority."

Also dont lump us moderates with the Cons, we actually listen to the science.

[Restored Carlist Spain]

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[Terminus Station]

dont mind Nilo, he's our resident 24/7 forum poster. He doesn't actually have anything to say except "muh communism". Like the post you quoted, he's more accustomed to whataboutisms and ad hominems because he doesnt know how to defend his ideas properly.

As in I want the source because it sounds hilarious, not out of doubt
In case you forgot, I'm also a 24/7 communism poster

Capitalism has been better at providing the promised class liberty in practice far better than communism ever has. That is all.

[Kubra]

My old university was a far-left echo chamber. It was quite annoying and only served to make me more aware of the dangers and bigotry of the far-left. If you were conservative, or worse a moderate like me, then they would not let you have peace. Professors commonly used class for far-left indoctrination instead of teaching the subject. Anyone who was perceived as a conservative, moderate, or libertarian was alienated and found their grades being mysteriously lower than their far-left counter-parts, even when said counter-parts rarely actually did any work.

The best way to combat far-left extremism, and all extremism, is to introduce different ideas to them. Of course, the problem is that such extremists are generally closed-minded, hateful people who despise all opinions but their own. It's not impossible, but very difficult.

do tell us more about your far left indoctrination sessions
was it good ol' fashion self-crit circles

[El Lazaro]

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