American Politics XIV: The Dawning of the Age of the Pumpkin

[Prima Scriptura]

after all there is no better solution to deep-rooted social problems than keeping them bottled up and out of sight. this will not leave a festering sense of ill-will and social rot at all. you care about society!

It's not a very Christian attitude towards the poor either...

I want drug addicted and mentally ill homeless people to receive shelter and medical treatment. We also can’t allow people to shoot up on the streets and defecate.

[San Lumen]

"Mandatory treatment" is certainly a polite way to phrase a desire to see the homeless rounded up and tortured.

That’s a load of shite.

I want proof of your outlandish claims you made earlier about those who run your city.

[TomKirk]

This is my Biden-Desantis 2024 map

https://www.270towin.com/maps/1Zvrm

You have deSantis winning MICHIGAN??? Around here he is perceived as a frightening creep.

[San Lumen]

This is my Biden-Desantis 2024 map

https://www.270towin.com/maps/1Zvrm

You have deSantis winning MICHIGAN??? Around here he is perceived as a frightening creep.

DeSantis will be very formidable if he gets the nod. Do not underestimate him.

[Ifreann]

"Mandatory treatment" is certainly a polite way to phrase a desire to see the homeless rounded up and tortured.

That’s a load of shite.

Yes, rounding people up and torturing them is a load of shite.

[Prima Scriptura]

That’s a load of shite.

Yes, rounding people up and torturing them is a load of shite.

Would you rather give these people shelter and medical treatment or let them die of an overdose on the streets?

[Free Algerstonia]

This is my Biden-Desantis 2024 map

https://www.270towin.com/maps/1Zvrm

i heard that ron desantis is trying to hurt president trump, i think he's a cia agent disguising himself as a patriot

[Uiiop]

Yes, rounding people up and torturing them is a load of shite.

Would you rather give these people shelter and medical treatment or let them die of an overdose on the streets?

I doubt it's inherently an opposition to giving people shelter and treatment but saying that mental health professionals right now actually suck at giving it. At least those in the asylums than the therapists per se.

[Greater Miami Shores 3]

Federalism in action.

I’ve notice a lot of the right and especially DeSantis are actually pissed off that the people of Massachusetts and other locations that they are busing migrants to are actually welcoming them with open arms. Their attempt to “own da Libs” failed miserably and their throwing a tantrum over it.

lol , The Rich $ Upper Class Leftist Democrats so called welcomed the illegals with open arms and hearts to Martha's Vineyard and bused them and deported them to a US Naval Base, they did not keep them and house them on Martha's Vineyard.

[Ifreann]

Yes, rounding people up and torturing them is a load of shite.

Would you rather give these people shelter and medical treatment or let them die of an overdose on the streets?

I'm all on board for offering people whatever assistance they want. Not having them beat into submission and strapped to a gurney and forced to endure whatever "treatment" the government arranged with the lowest bidder.

[Kannap]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

Feel like I have to step in and defend myself here: I suggested nothing of the sort.

My response was to another poster who said the people coming over the border are illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers, by stating that there is no process for applying for asylum or a visa (specifically for asylum) without first entering the United States - illegally or otherwise.

[Kannap]

Did you write that right? Mandatory inhumane treatment? If so; explain…..

*humane. In Minneapolis, the far-left wants to permit homeless camps and rapid drug use without any state intervention if it involves forcing people to get treatment. They would rather these poor people die.

The far-left doesn't want poor people to die, I don't know where you got that.

We live in a society were drug use is often punished with severe imprisonment and a society where cities and the police constantly wage war on the homeless via anti-human/anti-homeless infrastructure and beating the homeless and stealing their tents/few possessions and throwing them away. Forgive us if we don't trust the state to intervene because we see and hate how the state consistently intervenes in ways that harm people.

Do they? Or is their opposition to the specific mandatory treatment programs on the table?

I'd certainly disagree with these AnComs if they're stopping actual rehabilitation programs because "drugs good" or whatever. But not if the program in question is just throwing them in jail or something similar.

They don’t support mandatory treatment. They believe that if people want to live on the streets, defecate and use needles less than a 100 yards away from a Elementary school, they should be allowed to do so.

Do you seriously think homeless people want to be homeless? If so, I can just stop taking your argument seriously, because that's a hilarious view to hold.

People who are living on the street are there because they have nowhere else to live. I don't think it's a bad thing to think "hey, cops shouldn't brutalize these people and take their few possessions because they're living in a homeless camp behind a rail yard."

In an ideal society everybody would have housing to live in. But the powers that be decided that housing should be a commodity and people who can't make the landowning class wealthier don't deserve to have housing to live in.

"Mandatory treatment" is certainly a polite way to phrase a desire to see the homeless rounded up and tortured.

That’s a load of shite.

Apprehending people against their will and forcing treatment upon them doesn't particularly sound like a good thing.

It's not a very Christian attitude towards the poor either...

I want drug addicted and mentally ill homeless people to receive shelter and medical treatment.

See, when you say it this way, it sounds like what the far-left believes. A sharp contrast to the language you used earlier.

Yes, rounding people up and torturing them is a load of shite.

Would you rather give these people shelter and medical treatment or let them die of an overdose on the streets?

The word "give" here implies an offer that can be refused. Which isn't what you mean, is it?

If what you're saying is 'would you rather mandatory treatment or let them die in the streets?' then there are other options and we don't have to choose one of these two you're fixated on.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Why don’t we just let people file for asylum and visas in their home country? I think Kannap mentioned it.

Feel like I have to step in and defend myself here: I suggested nothing of the sort.

My response was to another poster who said the people coming over the border are illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers, by stating that there is no process for applying for asylum or a visa without first entering the United States - illegally or otherwise.

Okay. I misinterpreted it then. My apologies.

[Kannap]

Feel like I have to step in and defend myself here: I suggested nothing of the sort.

My response was to another poster who said the people coming over the border are illegal immigrants, not asylum seekers, by stating that there is no process for applying for asylum or a visa without first entering the United States - illegally or otherwise.

Okay. I misinterpreted it then. My apologies.

Asylum seekers are people who are fleeing their current country and seeking asylum/safety in another country, it doesn't seem like a good idea to prolong their stay in an unsafe place that they're trying to flee from.

[Kerwa]

This is my Biden-Desantis 2024 map

https://www.270towin.com/maps/1Zvrm

i heard that ron desantis is trying to hurt president trump, i think he's a cia agent disguising himself as a patriot

Oddly enough….

[San Lumen]

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/pittsburgh/ ... at-age-74/

Max Baer, Pennsylvania Supreme Court Chief Justice, dies at age 74. Governor Wolf will appoint a replacement.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Okay. I misinterpreted it then. My apologies.

Asylum seekers are people who are fleeing their current country and seeking asylum/safety in another country, it doesn't seem like a good idea to prolong their stay in an unsafe place that they're trying to flee from.

Agreed.

[Elwher]

Okay. I misinterpreted it then. My apologies.

Asylum seekers are people who are fleeing their current country and seeking asylum/safety in another country, it doesn't seem like a good idea to prolong their stay in an unsafe place that they're trying to flee from.

I totally agree with that, but once they are out of the country that made them feel unsafe, they should be applying for asylum in the first country they get to. Passing through two or three countries is not a question of safety but of economic migration.

[Not Not Forsher]

This is my Biden-Desantis 2024 map

https://www.270towin.com/maps/1Zvrm

You have deSantis winning MICHIGAN??? Around here he is perceived as a frightening creep.

You change all of MI, WI, NV and AZ and the Dems are still short. And I'm not sure you'd change any more states than that.

This is my Biden-Desantis 2024 map

https://www.270towin.com/maps/1Zvrm

i heard that ron desantis is trying to hurt president trump, i think he's a cia agent disguising himself as a patriot

Unironically, this is probably the best way for Dems to campaign against anyone positioning themselves as a Trump-like as long as Trump is alive.

The problem with using conspiracy theories to win votes is that your voters are conspiracy theorists and that can be turned against you.

[Umeria]

less than a 100 yards away from a Elementary school

less than 100 yards? even if your problem is that the children can see homeless people (!!!!1!), 100 yards seems like a ridiculous distance.

Also does he think school is the only place besides their house that children go to? When I was elementary school-age I frequently saw homeless people when going downtown to the movies, the public library, etc. Interestingly I never saw a single instance of what Prima Scriptura is describing - they were mostly just trying to sleep.

The AnComs oppose any efforts of mandatory treatment.

Are these imaginary anarchists in the room with us right now? I know I've used this line before, but it really does feel like you have a habit of creating fictional people to turn into targets for your rebuttals. Feels like there's a term to describe this phenomenon. Gosh, I wonder what it is.

I think he's starting with "the left wants to legalize drugs" and extrapolating that the left must be in favor of every single negative consequence of drug use. Similar to accusing someone in favor of alcohol being legal of supporting drunk driving deaths.

[Shrillland]

You have deSantis winning MICHIGAN??? Around here he is perceived as a frightening creep.

You change all of MI, WI, NV and AZ and the Dems are still short. And I'm not sure you'd change any more states than that.

I must agree for the time being. I can see AZ, NV, and MI voting for Biden, but WI's becoming redder by the day it seems.

[San Lumen]

You change all of MI, WI, NV and AZ and the Dems are still short. And I'm not sure you'd change any more states than that.

I must agree for the time being. I can see AZ, NV, and MI voting for Biden, but WI's becoming redder by the day it seems.

I fully expect Evers to lose.

[Shrillland]

I must agree for the time being. I can see AZ, NV, and MI voting for Biden, but WI's becoming redder by the day it seems.

I fully expect Evers to lose.

It'll be close, but yeah, that's how I see it myself at the moment.

[Prima Scriptura]

You change all of MI, WI, NV and AZ and the Dems are still short. And I'm not sure you'd change any more states than that.

I must agree for the time being. I can see AZ, NV, and MI voting for Biden, but WI's becoming redder by the day it seems.

I think conservatives on AZ are going to vote for DenSantis in droves due to his immigration policies

[El Lazaro]

We also can’t allow people to […] defecate [on the streets].

Literally 1984