Yea, they did that last week too. Hence why I asked another one? or was it the same one?
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by Tarsonis » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:37 pm
by Neutraligon » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:39 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:44 pm
Neutraligon wrote:Anyone know if there are enough Russians in the countryside to farm? Or will the mobilization cause a food shortage?
by Fractalnavel » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:47 pm
New Baltenstein wrote:... a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...
by Free Algerstonia » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:54 pm
New Baltenstein wrote:I had an eerie feeling that something was missing from Putin's mobilization announcement, a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...Putin Ally Dies After Falling Down Stairs on Day of Russia Mobilization
The former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute has died after falling down "several flights of stairs," the institute reported Wednesday.
Scientist Anatoly Gerashchenko, 72, "fell from a great height," according to the university, which described his death in the Russian capital as an accident.
The institute also said paramedics were called to the scene but pronounced Gerashchenko dead in the same location. The place where he reportedly fell to his death is still unknown.
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...but it turns out I was mistaken. Good ol' Vladimir thought of everything.
by American Pere Housh » Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:58 pm
by Thermodolia » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:08 pm
Sordhau wrote:Rusozak wrote:When this first started, Putin's image was so heavily inflated I thought he had some evil mastermind plan and he must know something we don't because he'd never do something so stupid.
Now he's seen as a clown and I believe it's possible he may preside over the disintegration of the Russian Federation.
Predicting the collapse of the Russian Federation is a bit extreme at this point. I don't think even Putin could accomplish such a feat on his own, not without internal discord. All signs suggest he's still the alpha dog at home even if some are leaving the pack. His position has been weakened but not necessarily crippled. Unless someone more charismatic comes along and convinces enough important people to stage a coup he'll probably die in power.
by Thermodolia » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:11 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:14 pm
by El Lazaro » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:14 pm
New Baltenstein wrote:I had an eerie feeling that something was missing from Putin's mobilization announcement, a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...Putin Ally Dies After Falling Down Stairs on Day of Russia Mobilization
The former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute has died after falling down "several flights of stairs," the institute reported Wednesday.
Scientist Anatoly Gerashchenko, 72, "fell from a great height," according to the university, which described his death in the Russian capital as an accident.
The institute also said paramedics were called to the scene but pronounced Gerashchenko dead in the same location. The place where he reportedly fell to his death is still unknown.
source
...but it turns out I was mistaken. Good ol' Vladimir thought of everything.
by Saiwania » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:17 pm
Fractalnavel wrote:Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.
by Sordhau » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:27 pm
Thermodolia wrote:Sordhau wrote:
Predicting the collapse of the Russian Federation is a bit extreme at this point. I don't think even Putin could accomplish such a feat on his own, not without internal discord. All signs suggest he's still the alpha dog at home even if some are leaving the pack. His position has been weakened but not necessarily crippled. Unless someone more charismatic comes along and convinces enough important people to stage a coup he'll probably die in power.
Disintegration can still happen. Especially in the Caucasus and Siberia. A lot of the troops are coming from the minority ethnic areas so it’s entirely possible that we could see some rumblings about independence or refusal to enforce recruitment
by Thermodolia » Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:59 pm
Sordhau wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Disintegration can still happen. Especially in the Caucasus and Siberia. A lot of the troops are coming from the minority ethnic areas so it’s entirely possible that we could see some rumblings about independence or refusal to enforce recruitment
IIRC the majority of recruits were coming from ethnic republics where support for Russia was high (North Ossetia-Alania) or the population was predominantly Russian (Buryatia) whereas the one exception was Tuva (I think) and the ethnicity of the conscripts wasn't clarified.
by Port Caverton » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:06 pm
by Tarsonis » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:16 pm
by Shrillland » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:20 pm
by Ethikia » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:20 pm
Saiwania wrote:Fractalnavel wrote:Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.
We should try to peel Russia's trading partners off from wanting to trade with them. They could perhaps get paid more if in exchange, they'll join into a complete embargo and blockade against Russia. We need to see Russia brought to its knees to push them into unconditional surrender if this can be acheived. Ideally, we could manage to coerce them into giving up their nuclear arsenal given how irresponsible they are with threatening to use it.
It is an unlikely outcome, but I feel it is worth pursuing to see how much can be gotten if Russia indeed loses this. If Russia wants relief from internal unrest, their choice should be a regime change at minimum, United Russia party being banned and all of Putin and ultranationalists ousted, along with a full and permanent withdrawal from all of Ukraine.
Failure to meet those conditions, should mean us pushing for an unconditional surrender on Russia's part. We won't need to invade them, we just need to ensure that their economy is ruined and that they won't be able to import anything.
by Neutraligon » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:27 pm
Fractalnavel wrote:New Baltenstein wrote:... a certain Russian je-ne-sais-quoi...
What would that actually be in idiomatic Russian?
edit:Tarsonis wrote:
In post Soviet Russia, farm eat you
Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.
by Erablegensstan » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:42 pm
Saiwania wrote:Fractalnavel wrote:Not far from the truth. Russian farmers can go off to war, while the farmers of their remaining trading partners will fill the foodstuffs gap. Maybe? Which is indirectly throwing foreign nationals at the war too.
We should try to peel Russia's trading partners off from wanting to trade with them. They could perhaps get paid more if in exchange, they'll join into a complete embargo and blockade against Russia. We need to see Russia brought to its knees to push them into unconditional surrender if this can be acheived. Ideally, we could manage to coerce them into giving up their nuclear arsenal given how irresponsible they are with threatening to use it.
It is an unlikely outcome, but I feel it is worth pursuing to see how much can be gotten if Russia indeed loses this. If Russia wants relief from internal unrest, their choice should be a regime change at minimum, United Russia party being banned and all of Putin and ultranationalists ousted, along with a full and permanent withdrawal from all of Ukraine.
Failure to meet those conditions, should mean us pushing for an unconditional surrender on Russia's part. We won't need to invade them, we just need to ensure that their economy is ruined and that they won't be able to import anything.
by Saiwania » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:06 pm
Ethikia wrote:How do you convince Brazil, most of Africa and Middle East, India and China + a lot of other small countries like Vietnam, basically the entire SCO+expanded BRICS, aka the entire world besides NATO (not even all of that) and Japan?
How do you ban a normal centre-right party that is simply very corrupt but not ideologically totalitarian, I'd say not even definite?
by Picairn » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:11 pm
by Picairn » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:33 pm
by Greater Guantanamo » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:36 pm
Picairn wrote:The "referendum" voting process: Armed soldiers with guns coming to your house and asking for your vote.
The BBC report.
by Perikuresu » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:37 pm
Picairn wrote:The "referendum" voting process: Armed soldiers with guns coming to your house and asking for your vote.
The BBC report.
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