UK Politics Thread X: Boris party report released

[The Huskar Social Union]

Cheers, going for steak

Personally I think you should feast on crows.

Solid reference, i approve

Aye and im going out with Natalie Dormer on tuesday

Not Saoirse-Monica Jackson? I'm disappointed.

If i hit it off with Natalie i get the Tyrell army tho

Also the accent is top notch

[The Huskar Social Union]

Every Tory MP that has called for Boris Johnson to quit over Partygate

Boris Johnson is facing renewed calls to quit after three more Tory MPs submitted letters of no confidence following the publication of Sue Gray’s report into the partygate scandal

A total of 21 Conservative backbenchers are now publicly demanding his removal, but behind the scenes others have privately said he should step down.

It comes after images emerged of the prime minister apparently drinking at a lockdown-breaking Downing Street event during the height of the coronavirus pandemic.

Mr Johnson’s former top aide Dominic Cummings claimed the images showed he “obviously lied” to police and the House of Commons about No 10 parties.

Senior civil servant Ms Gray said an individual threw up and a scuffle broke out at a No 10 official’s leaving do, held during strict Covid restrictions, following “excessive alcohol consumption” by some at the event.

The prime minister issued a televised apology over the scandal in an address to the nation after the report attacked “a serious failure” to abide by the “standards expected of the entire British population.”

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The list is as follows:

Sir Roger Gale, MP for North Thanet
Steve Baker, MP for Wycombe
William Wragg, MP for Hazel Grove
Anthony Mangnall, MP for Totnes
Mark Harper, MP for Forest of Dean
Craig Whittaker, MP for Calder Valley
Nigel Mills, MP for Amber Valley
Tobias Ellwood, MP for Bournemouth East
Caroline Nokes, MP for Romsey and Southampton North
Gary Streeter, MP for South West Devon
Peter Aldous, MP for Waveney
Aaron Bell, MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme
David Davis, MP for Haltemprice and Howden
Neil Hudson, MP for Penrith and the Border
Andrew Mitchell, MP for Sutton Coldfield
Nick Gibb, MP for Bognor Regis and Littlehampton
Tim Loughton, MP for East Worthing and Shoreham
Julian Sturdy, MP for York and Outer
John Baron, MP for Basildon and Billericay
David Simmonds, MP for Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner
Angela Richardson, MP for Guildford

[The Archregimancy]

Every Tory MP that has called for Boris Johnson to quit over Partygate

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The list is as follows:

Sir Roger Gale, MP for North Thanet
Steve Baker, MP for Wycombe
William Wragg, MP for Hazel Grove
Anthony Mangnall, MP for Totnes
Mark Harper, MP for Forest of Dean
Craig Whittaker, MP for Calder Valley
Nigel Mills, MP for Amber Valley
Tobias Ellwood, MP for Bournemouth East
Caroline Nokes, MP for Romsey and Southampton North
Gary Streeter, MP for South West Devon
Peter Aldous, MP for Waveney
Aaron Bell, MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme
David Davis, MP for Haltemprice and Howden
Neil Hudson, MP for Penrith and the Border
Andrew Mitchell, MP for Sutton Coldfield
Nick Gibb, MP for Bognor Regis and Littlehampton
Tim Loughton, MP for East Worthing and Shoreham
Julian Sturdy, MP for York and Outer
John Baron, MP for Basildon and Billericay
David Simmonds, MP for Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner
Angela Richardson, MP for Guildford

Slight correction here... Julian Sturdy is MP for York Outer, not 'York and Outer'.

York is represented by two seats: York Central (which is self-explanatory), and the unique 'doughnut seat' of York Outer, which completely surrounds York Central.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Sir Roger Gale, MP for North Thanet
Steve Baker, MP for Wycombe
William Wragg, MP for Hazel Grove
Anthony Mangnall, MP for Totnes
Mark Harper, MP for Forest of Dean
Craig Whittaker, MP for Calder Valley
Nigel Mills, MP for Amber Valley
Tobias Ellwood, MP for Bournemouth East
Caroline Nokes, MP for Romsey and Southampton North
Gary Streeter, MP for South West Devon
Peter Aldous, MP for Waveney
Aaron Bell, MP for Newcastle-under-Lyme
David Davis, MP for Haltemprice and Howden
Neil Hudson, MP for Penrith and the Border
Andrew Mitchell, MP for Sutton Coldfield
Nick Gibb, MP for Bognor Regis and Littlehampton
Tim Loughton, MP for East Worthing and Shoreham
Julian Sturdy, MP for York and Outer
John Baron, MP for Basildon and Billericay
David Simmonds, MP for Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner
Angela Richardson, MP for Guildford

North Thanet - safe Conservative
Wycombe - new marginal
Hazel Grove - Lib Dem target
Totnes - Lib Dem target?
Forest of Dean - traditional marginal
Calder Valley - traditional marginal
Amber Valley - traditional marginal
Bournemouth East - new marginal
Romsey and Southampton North - Lib Dem target?
South West Devon - safe Conservative
Waveney - traditional marginal
Newcastle-under-Lyme - 2019 gain
Haltemprice and Howden - safe Conservative
Penrith and the Border - safe Conservative
Sutton Coldfield - safe Conservative
Bognor Regis and Littlehampton - safe Conservative
East Worthing and Shoreham - new marginal
York Outer - new marginal
Basildon and Billericay - safe Conservative
Ruislip, Northwood and Pinner - safe Conservative
Guildford - Lib Dem target

[Nationalist Northumbria]

A deeply funny aspect of this latest episode has been the "WONDER IF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WOULD AGREE??" at the MPs calling for his departure from the people with #BackBoris and 'no DMs' in their bios. Like, yeah, they probably would, actually.

[Forsher]

York is represented by two seats: York Central (which is self-explanatory), and the unique 'doughnut seat' of York Outer, which completely surrounds York Central.

I mean, I guess if you live in York but not in central York, you're probably more similar to someone on the other side of the doughnut than someone outside the doughnut. However, by that same logic, living on the rural urban fringe in South Auckland is the same as living in the rural urban fringe in West Auckland, on the North Shore or "East Auckland" (the existence of which is somewhat disputed), which is not a proposition anyone with even only passing familiarity with Auckland would accept.

Does the electorate make sense? Wikipedia merely remarked that the name was difficult to choose, not commenting on the shared (or not) identity of people in Bishopthorpe vs Strensall vs Dunnington vs Rufforth.

[The Archregimancy]

York is represented by two seats: York Central (which is self-explanatory), and the unique 'doughnut seat' of York Outer, which completely surrounds York Central.

I mean, I guess if you live in York but not in central York, you're probably more similar to someone on the other side of the doughnut than someone outside the doughnut. However, by that same logic, living on the rural urban fringe in South Auckland is the same as living in the rural urban fringe in West Auckland, on the North Shore or "East Auckland" (the existence of which is somewhat disputed), which is not a proposition anyone with even only passing familiarity with Auckland would accept.

Does the electorate make sense? Wikipedia merely remarked that the name was difficult to choose, not commenting on the shared (or not) identity of people in Bishopthorpe vs Strensall vs Dunnington vs Rufforth.

I used to live in York Outer (back when the part I was living in was part of Selby constituency).

Both York Outer and York Central are entirely contained by the local government unitary authority of the City of York. So this was a (admittedly slightly odd) method of splitting York - which very much has a clear sense of its own identity - into two seats. The functional impact has been to split Labour-leaning inner urban York from Conservative-leaning suburban York (though the University is in York Outer), so that both of the main national parties now hold York constituencies (though the largest party on the city council are actually the LibDems, who govern at the head of a LibDem-Green coalition).

[The Huskar Social Union]

Westminster Voting Intention (25 May):

LAB: 40% (+1)
CON: 31% (-2)
LDEM: 14% (+2)
GRN: 5% (–)
SNP: 4% (–)
RFM: 3% (-1)
OTH: 2% (-1)

Changes +/- 22 May, Redfield and Wilton Strategies.

Nine point lead for Labour, also Davey surge period question mark

[The Blaatschapen]

Aye and im going out with Natalie Dormer on tuesday

Not Saoirse-Monica Jackson? I'm disappointed.

I'm already taking her out on Tuesday.

[Shrillland]

Every Tory MP that has called for Boris Johnson to quit over Partygate

Boris Johnson is facing renewed calls to quit after three more Tory MPs submitted letters of no confidence following the publication of Sue Gray’s report into the partygate scandal

A total of 21 Conservative backbenchers are now publicly demanding his removal, but behind the scenes others have privately said he should step down.

It comes after images emerged of the prime minister apparently drinking at a lockdown-breaking Downing Street event during the height of the coronavirus pandemic.

Mr Johnson’s former top aide Dominic Cummings claimed the images showed he “obviously lied” to police and the House of Commons about No 10 parties.

Senior civil servant Ms Gray said an individual threw up and a scuffle broke out at a No 10 official’s leaving do, held during strict Covid restrictions, following “excessive alcohol consumption” by some at the event.

The prime minister issued a televised apology over the scandal in an address to the nation after the report attacked “a serious failure” to abide by the “standards expected of the entire British population.”

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21 down, 33 to go.

[The Archregimancy]

Westminster Voting Intention (25 May):

LAB: 40% (+1)
CON: 31% (-2)
LDEM: 14% (+2)
GRN: 5% (–)
SNP: 4% (–)
RFM: 3% (-1)
OTH: 2% (-1)

Changes +/- 22 May, Redfield and Wilton Strategies.

Nine point lead for Labour, also Davey surge period question mark

Yesssss......

I would like to thank the Conservative Party, incidentally. Boris Johnson is the best recruiter we've had since Tony Blair decided to join the invasion of Iraq.



Though I must admit that I'm surprised at the enthusiasm with which Comrade Boris and Comrade Rishi have embraced the redistribution of wealth via the punitive taxation of profiteering exploitative capitalists and the introduction of universal basic income. It can sometimes be a little bit difficult to keep up with which small-c conservative principles the government feels like discarding this week.

Note that I write 'small-c conservative principles' because the current iteration of the big-C Conservative Party has no principles beyond attempting to justify the Prime Minister's moral incontinence.

[Old Tyrannia]

Westminster Voting Intention (25 May):

LAB: 40% (+1)
CON: 31% (-2)
LDEM: 14% (+2)
GRN: 5% (–)
SNP: 4% (–)
RFM: 3% (-1)
OTH: 2% (-1)

Changes +/- 22 May, Redfield and Wilton Strategies.

Nine point lead for Labour, also Davey surge period question mark

Yesssss......

I would like to thank the Conservative Party, incidentally. Boris Johnson is the best recruiter we've had since Tony Blair decided to join the invasion of Iraq.



Though I must admit that I'm surprised at the enthusiasm with which Comrade Boris and Comrade Rishi have embraced the redistribution of wealth via the punitive taxation of profiteering exploitative capitalists and the introduction of universal basic income. It can sometimes be a little bit difficult to keep up with which small-c conservative principles the government feels like discarding this week.

Note that I write 'small-c conservative principles' because the current iteration of the big-C Conservative Party has no principles beyond attempting to justify the Prime Minister's moral incontinence.

As I've argued in the past, UBI is not a fundamentally left-wing idea, and in fact has a fairly long history of advocacy on the right, principally in the form of a negative income tax rate (which is the form I am most supportive of as well). Richard Nixon attempted to implement a limited form of it in the early 1970s, and Milton and Rose Friedman in their books Capitalism and Freedom and Free to Choose.

[The Archregimancy]

Yesssss......

I would like to thank the Conservative Party, incidentally. Boris Johnson is the best recruiter we've had since Tony Blair decided to join the invasion of Iraq.



Though I must admit that I'm surprised at the enthusiasm with which Comrade Boris and Comrade Rishi have embraced the redistribution of wealth via the punitive taxation of profiteering exploitative capitalists and the introduction of universal basic income. It can sometimes be a little bit difficult to keep up with which small-c conservative principles the government feels like discarding this week.

Note that I write 'small-c conservative principles' because the current iteration of the big-C Conservative Party has no principles beyond attempting to justify the Prime Minister's moral incontinence.

As I've argued in the past, UBI is not a fundamentally left-wing idea, and in fact has a fairly long history of advocacy on the right, principally in the form of a negative income tax rate (which is the form I am most supportive of as well). Richard Nixon attempted to implement a limited form of it in the early 1970s, and Milton and Rose Friedman in their books Capitalism and Freedom and Free to Choose.

Alright; fair point.

But I hope it was clear that my tongue was fairly firmly in cheek in much of that paragraph. After all, I also would have conceded the point if someone had pointed out that this is hardly the first time that a Conservative government has implemented a windfall tax - and I likewise would have conceded the point if someone had cared to point out that this one-off payment isn't really a universal basic income. I'm more amused by the attempts of some senior Conservatives to support the Chancellor while avoiding saying the words 'windfall tax'.

[Old Tyrannia]

As I've argued in the past, UBI is not a fundamentally left-wing idea, and in fact has a fairly long history of advocacy on the right, principally in the form of a negative income tax rate (which is the form I am most supportive of as well). Richard Nixon attempted to implement a limited form of it in the early 1970s, and Milton and Rose Friedman in their books Capitalism and Freedom and Free to Choose.

Alright; fair point.

But I hope it was clear that my tongue was fairly firmly in cheek in much of that paragraph. After all, I also would have conceded the point if someone had pointed out that this is hardly the first time that a Conservative government has implemented a windfall tax - and I likewise would have conceded the point if someone had cared to point out that this one-off payment isn't really a universal basic income. I'm more amused by the attempts of some senior Conservatives to support the Chancellor while avoiding saying the words 'windfall tax'.

Oh, the humorous intent of your post was quite apparent, but it's not uncommon for people to assume in earnest that UBI is a largely or exclusively left-wing idea. I wasn't really commenting on the Conservatives' latest actions at all. On that note, at face value I support the measures announced today, however cynical the motivation behind them may be.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

I mean, I guess if you live in York but not in central York, you're probably more similar to someone on the other side of the doughnut than someone outside the doughnut. However, by that same logic, living on the rural urban fringe in South Auckland is the same as living in the rural urban fringe in West Auckland, on the North Shore or "East Auckland" (the existence of which is somewhat disputed), which is not a proposition anyone with even only passing familiarity with Auckland would accept.

Does the electorate make sense? Wikipedia merely remarked that the name was difficult to choose, not commenting on the shared (or not) identity of people in Bishopthorpe vs Strensall vs Dunnington vs Rufforth.

I used to live in York Outer (back when the part I was living in was part of Selby constituency).

Both York Outer and York Central are entirely contained by the local government unitary authority of the City of York. So this was a (admittedly slightly odd) method of splitting York - which very much has a clear sense of its own identity - into two seats. The functional impact has been to split Labour-leaning inner urban York from Conservative-leaning suburban York (though the University is in York Outer), so that both of the main national parties now hold York constituencies (though the largest party on the city council are actually the LibDems, who govern at the head of a LibDem-Green coalition).

Selby: one of my favourite (former) constituencies, represented by one of my favourite (former) MPs. I heard suburban York was actually rather good for Labour during the Blair years, albeit as an anti-Tory tactical vote? But assuming you were politically involved at the time I'd love to learn more.

[Celritannia]

Sue Gray report: 'We got away with it' - Downing St chief Martin Reynolds's messages after lockdown-breaking party revealed

The fact there have been redactions shows the further authortarian hold the death party for the rich maintains.

[Forsher]

I mean, I guess if you live in York but not in central York, you're probably more similar to someone on the other side of the doughnut than someone outside the doughnut. However, by that same logic, living on the rural urban fringe in South Auckland is the same as living in the rural urban fringe in West Auckland, on the North Shore or "East Auckland" (the existence of which is somewhat disputed), which is not a proposition anyone with even only passing familiarity with Auckland would accept.

Does the electorate make sense? Wikipedia merely remarked that the name was difficult to choose, not commenting on the shared (or not) identity of people in Bishopthorpe vs Strensall vs Dunnington vs Rufforth.

I used to live in York Outer (back when the part I was living in was part of Selby constituency).

Both York Outer and York Central are entirely contained by the local government unitary authority of the City of York. So this was a (admittedly slightly odd) method of splitting York - which very much has a clear sense of its own identity - into two seats. The functional impact has been to split Labour-leaning inner urban York from Conservative-leaning suburban York (though the University is in York Outer), so that both of the main national parties now hold York constituencies (though the largest party on the city council are actually the LibDems, who govern at the head of a LibDem-Green coalition).

I'm sort of more asking if the parts of York have their own and somewhat opposed sub identities. Sort of like how you occasionally hear people say "south of the river isn't my manor" in reference to London.

As I've argued in the past, UBI is not a fundamentally left-wing idea, and in fact has a fairly long history of advocacy on the right, principally in the form of a negative income tax rate (which is the form I am most supportive of as well). Richard Nixon attempted to implement a limited form of it in the early 1970s, and Milton and Rose Friedman in their books Capitalism and Freedom and Free to Choose.

There's a party here (so far it's never won a seat) that wants a UBI with a flat tax scheme (and depending on the interview also a land value tax). In terms of take home pay it looks something like this.

I likewise would have conceded the point if someone had cared to point out that this one-off payment isn't really a universal basic income. I'm more amused by the attempts of some senior Conservatives to support the Chancellor while avoiding saying the words 'windfall tax'.

You're hardly the only person to draw connections between UBIs and one off payments. I wouldn't bother reading the article, it's not very good.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Good morning, denizens of the UK politics thread. Keen followers of UK politics that we all are, I couldn't help but wonder if perhaps there might be some interest in an exciting, well-written political thriller available for free right here on NS.

North and South, by N. Northumbria and A. Zad.

The year is 2021. With no Iraq War, New Labour is still in power. Working-class and youth turnout at the last election in 2017 stood at 10%, its highest since 2001. But across the North, a revolt is stirring: that of the Northumbrian Nationalist Party.

"House of Cards by the writers of Mr. Bean."
- Dtn

[The Nihilistic view]

As I've argued in the past, UBI is not a fundamentally left-wing idea, and in fact has a fairly long history of advocacy on the right, principally in the form of a negative income tax rate (which is the form I am most supportive of as well). Richard Nixon attempted to implement a limited form of it in the early 1970s, and Milton and Rose Friedman in their books Capitalism and Freedom and Free to Choose.

Alright; fair point.

But I hope it was clear that my tongue was fairly firmly in cheek in much of that paragraph. After all, I also would have conceded the point if someone had pointed out that this is hardly the first time that a Conservative government has implemented a windfall tax - and I likewise would have conceded the point if someone had cared to point out that this one-off payment isn't really a universal basic income. I'm more amused by the attempts of some senior Conservatives to support the Chancellor while avoiding saying the words 'windfall tax'.

The actual big reason why it isn't anything like UBI is for the majority of people it will be a credit against their energy account. So it's not even a direct payment.

[Celritannia]

Good morning, denizens of the UK politics thread. Keen followers of UK politics that we all are, I couldn't help but wonder if perhaps there might be some interest in an exciting, well-written political thriller available for free right here on NS.

North and South, by N. Northumbria and A. Zad.

The year is 2021. With no Iraq War, New Labour is still in power. Working-class and youth turnout at the last election in 2017 stood at 10%, its highest since 2001. But across the North, a revolt is stirring: that of the Northumbrian Nationalist Party.

"House of Cards by the writers of Mr. Bean."
- Dtn

Please don't post your terrible RPs in here.

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Good morning, denizens of the UK politics thread. Keen followers of UK politics that we all are, I couldn't help but wonder if perhaps there might be some interest in an exciting, well-written political thriller available for free right here on NS.

North and South, by N. Northumbria and A. Zad.

The year is 2021. With no Iraq War, New Labour is still in power. Working-class and youth turnout at the last election in 2017 stood at 10%, its highest since 2001. But across the North, a revolt is stirring: that of the Northumbrian Nationalist Party.

"House of Cards by the writers of Mr. Bean."
- Dtn

Please don't post your terrible RPs in here.

What's terrible about it?

[Hirota]

Please don't post your terrible RPs in here.

What's terrible about it?

I mean, I've seen worse fantasies being peddled on here, often as some sort of LARPing of real life, so at least you are honest about it being fiction.

[The Huskar Social Union]

One of the wakefield by-election candidates has an... interesting campaign leaflet

[The Huskar Social Union]

Boris Johnson changes ministerial code so those who breach it don't have to quit or face sack

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What are the changes?

Ministers will now no longer automatically be expected to resign or face the sack if they are found to have breached the code.

A Cabinet Office statement said it would be "disproportionate" for ministers to lose their job for "minor breaches".

The prime minister could instead order "some form of public apology, remedial action or removal of ministerial salary for a period".

Another major change is the independent adviser will now be able to initiate an investigation into potential breaches of the code.

Previously only the PM could do this, but the code now adds that the final decision will still rest with the prime minister.

The independent adviser will be supported by a dedicated set of civil servants, have its own gov.uk webpage, and be responsible for managing its own affairs and correspondent, a policy statement said.

In a statement announcing the changes, the Cabinet Office said: "The government has been mindful of the need to avoid incentives for trivial or vexatious complaints which may be made for partisan reasons.

"Such complaints can undermine public confidence in standards in public life rather than strengthen it."

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[Forsher]

One of the wakefield by-election candidates has an... interesting campaign leaflet

(Image)

The Conservatives are basically sex traffickers and it's not even clear they're the most immoral party in parliament.

Jesus.

Also, does he look a bit like Anthony Hopkins in the 90s or is that just me?