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The Economy(Non-Inflation Issues)
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12%
Defence
34
6%
Civil/Human Rights
92
17%
Court Reform
33
6%
Healthcare
61
11%
Inflation
73
13%
Education
38
7%
The Environment
86
16%
Infrastructure
46
8%
Other(Let us Know!)
19
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:48 pm

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Oh Democrats why?


I wish Democrats would fight this fiercely against Republicans and for protecting human rights.


I mean I would even if I’m not in favor of the concept of abortion. But many pro-choice people aren’t anyway so at least I’m not alone.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:55 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Existential Cats wrote:I was considering swallowing my pride and voting for the Dems this election cycle, but this is a good reminder not to.


The situation really is the worst it can be. The Dems don't deserve their popularity and power, but not voting democrat makes it that much easier for the Republicans to win, and the GOP is too much of an existential threat to take that risk.

Well, if the dissatisfaction is as big as the internet assumes it is and it's not one of those Ron Paul things again, then North Carolina is a golden opportunity. If everyone who was 'voting blue no matter who' only because it was a 'strategic vote' or wasn't going to vote Green because it 'threw their vote away' didn't, if everyone who is diseffected by the Democratic Party's reluctance to embrace the 'whatever hipster brand you want to put on your favorite policies' poured their support onto this candidate like he was Beto O'Rourke charging a windmill or whatshername that turned Georgia blue in 2020...that's your first crack in the wall. Maybe you still lose that seat, but if the Green candidate beats the Democratic candidate, that's a pretty loud message. That's momentum. That's free air time as news heads try to 'figure out what happened'. If you wanted to break the Democratic hold, now is the time. If everyone who opposes the Democratic party because they're too close to the Republicans (kind of a stretch but let's entertain you for a moment) just sits on their hands and watches this happen and the Greens lose but have enough votes that all of them could have made the Democrat win...six more weeks of winter my friends. The validation of 'vote blue no matter who' and the idea that anything other than a vote for Democrats is wasted continues on. This is a shit or get off the pot moment. I'm just gonna call it now. You'll blow it. Golden opportunity and we're going to find out a bunch of people are just talk.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jun 26, 2022 5:58 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
The situation really is the worst it can be. The Dems don't deserve their popularity and power, but not voting democrat makes it that much easier for the Republicans to win, and the GOP is too much of an existential threat to take that risk.

Well, if the dissatisfaction is as big as the internet assumes it is and it's not one of those Ron Paul things again, then North Carolina is a golden opportunity. If everyone who was 'voting blue no matter who' only because it was a 'strategic vote' or wasn't going to vote Green because it 'threw their vote away' didn't, if everyone who is diseffected by the Democratic Party's reluctance to embrace the 'whatever hipster brand you want to put on your favorite policies' poured their support onto this candidate like he was Beto O'Rourke charging a windmill or whatshername that turned Georgia blue in 2020...that's your first crack in the wall. Maybe you still lose that seat, but if the Green candidate beats the Democratic candidate, that's a pretty loud message. That's momentum. That's free air time as news heads try to 'figure out what happened'. If you wanted to break the Democratic hold, now is the time. If everyone who opposes the Democratic party because they're too close to the Republicans (kind of a stretch but let's entertain you for a moment) just sits on their hands and watches this happen and the Greens lose but have enough votes that all of them could have made the Democrat win...six more weeks of winter my friends. The validation of 'vote blue no matter who' and the idea that anything other than a vote for Democrats is wasted continues on. This is a shit or get off the pot moment. I'm just gonna call it now. You'll blow it. Golden opportunity and we're going to find out a bunch of people are just talk.


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Postby Senkaku » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:00 pm

Diopolis wrote:
Torisakia wrote:If militant and destructive resistance didn't work in 2020, it's not going to work now. So what's the point?

BLM and anti-lockdown protestors actually did both get an enormous percentage of what they wanted in a fairly short period of time, especially considering how generally non-responsive to grassroots advocacy the American government is.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Deblar » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:09 pm

Kannap wrote:So a Green Party candidate for U.S. Senate managed to get on the ballot here in North Carolina and, unsurprisingly, Democrats are showing they're anti-democracy. They're texting everybody who signed the petition and asking twice whether they'd be willing to have their name removed from the petition.

As if we needed more proof the Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin

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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:29 pm

Deblar wrote:
Kannap wrote:So a Green Party candidate for U.S. Senate managed to get on the ballot here in North Carolina and, unsurprisingly, Democrats are showing they're anti-democracy. They're texting everybody who signed the petition and asking twice whether they'd be willing to have their name removed from the petition.

As if we needed more proof the Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin

One side is isolationist and conservative, the other interventionist and culturally liberal
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Postby Myrensis » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:46 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:America, always willing to pay extra if it fucks someone over.


May I remind the Republicans you cannot do what you are proposing in terms of abortion and not have some sort of social safety net and reforms to our legal system.


You absolutely can, if your opposition to abortion has fuck all to do with the precious babies and 'sanctity of life' and is purely about control, more specifically control of women.

More relevant than ever:
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In fact doing nothing is win win for them, since it is in fact mostly low income minority women who get abortions, forcing them to have babies while opposing all measures to improve their economic condition as sOciAliSm is a great way to keep all those white suburban 'moderates' voting Republican in abject terror of the ever growing hordes of criminal minorities coming to invade their bubble.
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Umeria » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:46 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Deblar wrote:As if we needed more proof the Democrats and Republicans are just two sides of the same coin

One side is isolationist and conservative, the other interventionist and culturally liberal

Republican politicians are not isolationist. Most of them are in favor of supporting Ukraine, and the handful who aren't want to focus on China instead.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:47 pm

Umeria wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:One side is isolationist and conservative, the other interventionist and culturally liberal

Republican politicians are not isolationist. Most of them are in favor of supporting Ukraine, and the handful who aren't want to focus on China instead.

Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:57 pm

Myrensis wrote:
In fact doing nothing is win win for them, since it is in fact mostly low income minority women who get abortions, forcing them to have babies while opposing all measures to improve their economic condition as sOciAliSm is a great way to keep all those white suburban 'moderates' voting Republican in abject terror of the ever growing hordes of criminal minorities coming to invade their bubble.


So, the idea is that Republicans want more children of color to exist and have them be pissed at them for not supporting them?

How does that serve white America?
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:58 pm

Myrensis wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
May I remind the Republicans you cannot do what you are proposing in terms of abortion and not have some sort of social safety net and reforms to our legal system.


You absolutely can, if your opposition to abortion has fuck all to do with the precious babies and 'sanctity of life' and is purely about control, more specifically control of women.

More relevant than ever:
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In fact doing nothing is win win for them, since it is in fact mostly low income minority women who get abortions, forcing them to have babies while opposing all measures to improve their economic condition as sOciAliSm is a great way to keep all those white suburban 'moderates' voting Republican in abject terror of the ever growing hordes of criminal minorities coming to invade their bubble.


I mean my main opposition to the procedure is just that a baby dies. I still want women to be able to make that decision. However at the same time I want to systematically address the reasons why abortions happen and by doing so the rate goes lower to the point God willing by the day I die the United States has the lowest rate of abortion in the world.
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Postby Umeria » Sun Jun 26, 2022 6:58 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Umeria wrote:Republican politicians are not isolationist. Most of them are in favor of supporting Ukraine, and the handful who aren't want to focus on China instead.

Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist

citation needed
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Postby Rusozak » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:01 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
Umeria wrote:Republican politicians are not isolationist. Most of them are in favor of supporting Ukraine, and the handful who aren't want to focus on China instead.

Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist


There is no coherent Trumper diplomatic stance. It's literally whatever dear leader decides to rant about that day.
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Postby Myrensis » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:02 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
In fact doing nothing is win win for them, since it is in fact mostly low income minority women who get abortions, forcing them to have babies while opposing all measures to improve their economic condition as sOciAliSm is a great way to keep all those white suburban 'moderates' voting Republican in abject terror of the ever growing hordes of criminal minorities coming to invade their bubble.


So, the idea is that Republicans want more children of color to exist and have them be pissed at them for not supporting them?

How does that serve white America?


It doesn't, but it terrifies white America into voting Republican, and that's all that really matters to them.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:03 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist


There is no coherent Trumper diplomatic stance. It's literally whatever dear leader decides to rant about that day.


Every position taken by Trumpists is literally what dear leader decides to rant about that day
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Postby Umeria » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:12 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:So, the idea is that Republicans want more children of color to exist and have them be pissed at them for not supporting them?

How does that serve white America?

It doesn't, but it terrifies white America into voting Republican, and that's all that really matters to them.

If only we were a nation of hope instead of fear.

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Postby Diuhon » Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:48 pm

didn't know the supremes may well decide on granting cert on a case that may decide if nyt v sullivan holds as a ruling or is overturned

what fucking joy
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Postby The United Penguin Commonwealth » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:12 pm

Umeria wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist

citation needed


isolationist in the sense that they want to leave the UN and NATO or whatever (I think? idk, I haven't been catching up with Trump's rants)
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Postby Shrillland » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:35 pm

AP report shows 1 million voters switched party affiliations to Republican in the last 12 months, 630,000 switched to Democratic in the same period

In general, the trend is being viewed as a return to normalcy among suburban Republicans who were turned off by Trump, though many others have done so to vote in GOP Primaries or because they no longer feel welcome in the Democratic Party.
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Postby Port Caverton » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:39 pm

Shrillland wrote:AP report shows 1 million voters switched party affiliations to Republican in the last 12 months, 630,000 switched to Democratic in the same period

In general, the trend is being viewed as a return to normalcy among suburban Republicans who were turned off by Trump, though many others have done so to vote in GOP Primaries or because they no longer feel welcome in the Democratic Party.


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Postby Torisakia » Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:58 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Existential Cats wrote:I was considering swallowing my pride and voting for the Dems this election cycle, but this is a good reminder not to.


The situation really is the worst it can be. The Dems don't deserve their popularity and power, but not voting democrat makes it that much easier for the Republicans to win, and the GOP is too much of an existential threat to take that risk.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:54 am

https://abc7ny.com/rudy-giuliani-slappe ... /11997958/

Rudy Giuliani speaks out after slap attack inside NYC supermarket, employee arrested

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Postby Mossadeghist Iran » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:56 am

Port Caverton wrote:
Umeria wrote:Republican politicians are not isolationist. Most of them are in favor of supporting Ukraine, and the handful who aren't want to focus on China instead.

Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist


One of their few virtues, if you ask me.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 am

Mossadeghist Iran wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Trumpers (most of the gop currently) are isolationist


One of their few virtues, if you ask me.

How is that a virtue?
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 27, 2022 6:57 am

San Lumen wrote:https://abc7ny.com/rudy-giuliani-slapped-staten-island-supermarket-slap-shoprite-employee-arrested/11997958/

Rudy Giuliani speaks out after slap attack inside NYC supermarket, employee arrested

"I got hit as if a boulder hit me," Giuliani said during his virtual press conference. "It knocked me forward a step or two, it didn't knock me down, but it hurt tremendously."

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