American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[American Legionaries]

It doesn't matter, it's an all or nothing thing. You either agree on EVERY issue, or you're a buck toothed far right ethno-nationalist.

flavorful with just a dollop of hypocrisy, coming from a member of the party of trump

Oh, hypocrisy? Well gobble up, friendo. It's your favorite dish.

[Ifreann]

Apart form his views on social issues, I don't see how he's close to them. Welfare and a hawkish foreign aren't really some of the things the US far-right is fond of.

The fact that I go to a historically African-American church and has found solace in the institutional African-American Christian church kinda disproves that I’m a far-right neo-nazi

Also, the far-right hates me because I’m primarily indigenous..

But you share their beliefs about LGBT people. And you know that. You support every one of their laws suppressing knowledge about LGBT people. I'm sure that if I mention Nazi book burnings, an image forms in your mind. You've seen those pictures, everyone has. Do you know what they were burning? The research of the Institute for Sex Science, which was at the cutting edge for then modern Western medicine in the understanding of transgender people. They were performing HRT and gender confirmation surgeries. In the 1930s. That was who the literal Nazis targetted for their book burnings. They would have believed that they were protecting their nation from degeneracy.

[Prima Scriptura]

The fact that I go to a historically African-American church and has found solace in the institutional African-American Christian church kinda disproves that I’m a far-right neo-nazi

Also, the far-right hates me because I’m primarily indigenous..

But you share their beliefs about LGBT people. And you know that. You support every one of their laws suppressing knowledge about LGBT people. I'm sure that if I mention Nazi book burnings, an image forms in your mind. You've seen those pictures, everyone has. Do you know what they were burning? The research of the Institute for Sex Science, which was at the cutting edge for then modern Western medicine in the understanding of transgender people. They were performing HRT and gender confirmation surgeries. In the 1930s. That was who the literal Nazis targetted for their book burnings. They would have believed that they were protecting their nation from degeneracy.

I don’t want LGBT to be killed

[Senkaku]

Apart form his views on social issues, I don't see how he's close to them. Welfare and a hawkish foreign aren't really some of the things the US far-right is fond of.

The fact that I go to a historically African-American church and has found solace in the institutional African-American Christian church kinda disproves that I’m a far-right neo-nazi

Also, the far-right hates me because I’m primarily indigenous..

And yet nonetheless your religious zealotry brings you into alignment with them on a number of social issues and therefore on most practical political questions of any consequence; you remaining undissuaded from your course by the fact that they openly want to repress or outright liquidate you just proves you’re very short sighted

[Senkaku]

Louis Farrakhan is every bit as awful as any Nazi, and he's African-American. This doesn't prove anything, and it's insulting - and kinda racist - that you think it would.

Did you forget I’m mostly indigenous?… The far-right wants to kill me too…

What is the point of constantly crowing about your marginalized identities if your response to holding all of them is to turn around and support political movements that want to obliterate and suppress them? Are you expecting a prize for plumbing new depths of self-hatred or something? None of them seem to meaningfully inform any of your political stances, you just trot them out as if they are self-evident proof of your moral worth on their own.

[Bear Stearns]

Louis Farrakhan is every bit as awful as any Nazi, and he's African-American. This doesn't prove anything, and it's insulting - and kinda racist - that you think it would.

Did you forget I’m mostly indigenous?… The far-right wants to kill me too…

no i don't...i just want you to take a chill pill

[Senkaku]

I mean, MLk was a Baptist preacher. There are numerous examples of devout Christians fighting racism.

It doesn't matter, it's an all or nothing thing. You either agree on EVERY issue, or you're a buck toothed far right ethno-nationalist.

You either support the GOP’s plan for the country or you don’t. You and PS have very different beliefs, but when push comes to shove, you’re both on the side of abortion bans, restriction of LGBT people in public life (and even privately), the legitimization of increasingly paramilitarized and political security forces, and ultimately the destruction of American democracy, because you each (for different reasons) identify these things as perhaps-unfortunate means to your desired political ends. Why should those of us who oppose these things waste our time mollycoddling your perceptions of yourselves as compassionate and reasonable people, when you’re explicitly telling us you’re happy to be stooges for, as you say, the “buck toothed far right ethno-nationalists” who are running the show at the movement’s highest echelons? (Though to be fair, most of them have had a lot of very expensive orthodontia, so I don’t know how “buck toothed” came into it except as part of the whole “libs hate the countryside” thing.)

[Prima Scriptura]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

When is President Biden going to address the nation? This was clearly a terrorist attack and Joe dropped the ball by not addressing the nation tonight.

[Shrillland]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

When is President Biden going to address the nation? This was clearly a terrorist attack and Joe dropped the ball by not addressing the nation tonight.

He'll do a speech at the memorial or some such thing. It was a mass shooting just like any other in this country, nothing but death came of it, and nothing will change as a result of it.

[Ifreann]

But you share their beliefs about LGBT people. And you know that. You support every one of their laws suppressing knowledge about LGBT people. I'm sure that if I mention Nazi book burnings, an image forms in your mind. You've seen those pictures, everyone has. Do you know what they were burning? The research of the Institute for Sex Science, which was at the cutting edge for then modern Western medicine in the understanding of transgender people. They were performing HRT and gender confirmation surgeries. In the 1930s. That was who the literal Nazis targetted for their book burnings. They would have believed that they were protecting their nation from degeneracy.

I don’t want LGBT to be killed

No? But you don't want anyone to know that there is such a thing. You don't want to allow trans people to have gender confirming medical care. You want there to be widespread conversion therapy to torture people into acting cisgender and heterosexual. You must know that this will cost lives. And even so, that is what you want. I'm sure you're right that the far right hate you. Nonetheless your politics do overlap with theirs.

[Senkaku]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

If you don’t want to talk about yourself then stop making your identity the topic lmao

[Prima Scriptura]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

When is President Biden going to address the nation? This was clearly a terrorist attack and Joe dropped the ball by not addressing the nation tonight.

He'll do a speech at the memorial or some such thing. It was a mass shooting just like any other in this country, nothing but death came of it, and nothing will change as a result of it.

I think that it would have comforted the nation and addressing the Nation would have showed strong leadership.

[Bear Stearns]

It doesn't matter, it's an all or nothing thing. You either agree on EVERY issue, or you're a buck toothed far right ethno-nationalist.

You either support the GOP’s plan for the country or you don’t. You and PS have very different beliefs, but when push comes to shove, you’re both on the side of abortion bans,

i'm ambivalent on abortion

restriction of LGBT people in public life

absolutely

(and even privately),

this is best solved by the community

the legitimization of increasingly paramilitarized and political security forces,

huh? the only militarized political force is the united states government

and ultimately the destruction of American democracy,

The Our Democracy™ is a grotesque oligarchy. it is unfortunate they have identified themselves with both america and democracy. we can fix that.

because you each (for different reasons) identify these things as perhaps-unfortunate means to your desired political ends.

radical solutions wouldn't be required if neoliberals weren't so tyrannical and murderous. they started it.

Why should those of us who oppose these things waste our time mollycoddling your perceptions of yourselves as compassionate and reasonable people,

your terms are acceptable

when you’re explicitly telling us you’re happy to be stooges for, as you say, the “buck toothed far right ethno-nationalists” who are running the show at the movement’s highest echelons?

the most uneducated backwoods redneck has more honor than a rainblow-colored, regime change-supporting corporate oligarch

[Shrillland]

He'll do a speech at the memorial or some such thing. It was a mass shooting just like any other in this country, nothing but death came of it, and nothing will change as a result of it.

I think that it would have comforted the nation and addressing the Nation would have showed strong leadership.

Aye, but we've seen this sort of thig so much in the last 20 years that it's ceased to be a supreme tragedy. After Sandy Hook, everyone just sort of gave up since nothing could possibly be done to ensure it wouldn't happen again. Gun control measures are opposed by the same group of people who oppose improving mental healthcare and reducing mental health stigma in this society of ours. We honestly wouldn't need such stringent gun control measures if the mental health problem was even slightly worked on, but since neither can be improved, all we can do is sigh, shake our heads, and get back to life. People just have become numb to this shit anymore.

[Moscareinas]

the only murderous tyranny i see has been from the republicans, especially during trump's singular term, so please spare us your "neoliberals are the real tyrants" claptrap when the people you've allied with are the ones clamping down whenever and wherever you have power

[Moscareinas]

I think that it would have comforted the nation and addressing the Nation would have showed strong leadership.

Aye, but we've seen this sort of thig so much in the last 20 years that it's ceased to be a supreme tragedy. After Sandy Hook, everyone just sort of gave up since nothing could possibly be done to ensure it wouldn't happen again. Gun control measures are opposed by the same group of people who oppose improving mental healthcare and reducing mental health stigma in this society of ours. We honestly wouldn't need such stringent gun control measures if the mental health problem was even slightly worked on, but since neither can be improved, all we can do is sigh, shake our heads, and get back to life. People just have become numb to this shit anymore.

the man on the street can do little, the man in the halls of power can do more but choose not to

a speech and a strong push for the quick prosecution of the mass shooter and ratification of relevant laws will only strengthen biden's and the democratic party's election chances, were this a normal year

[Necroghastia]

I mean, MLk was a Baptist preacher. There are numerous examples of devout Christians fighting racism.

It doesn't matter, it's an all or nothing thing. You either agree on EVERY issue, or you're a buck toothed far right ethno-nationalist.

this coming from the guy who thinks anyone who thinks even a smidgen of gun control is good wants to see him dead

[Bear Stearns]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

When is President Biden going to address the nation? This was clearly a terrorist attack and Joe dropped the ball by not addressing the nation tonight.

i'm a far-right terrorist

-I was radicalized on 4chan
-Decided i need to save the white race
-Do not have children
-Do not start political movement
-Do not contribute to the community
-Decide to commit a shooting
-Type of a manifesto naming dropping every website the feds want banned
-Use gear and weapons the feds want banned
-Ignore anti-white politicians
-Ignore anti-white billionaries
-Ignore federal buildings
-Ignore illegal immigrant sweatshops
-Drive to grocery store and kill normie randos
-Allow myself to be captured

Anyways, I can't wait for Joe Biden to address the nation and explain how to save the our democracy we need five more patriot acts, war with russia, and to end freedom of speech online

[Bear Stearns]

It doesn't matter, it's an all or nothing thing. You either agree on EVERY issue, or you're a buck toothed far right ethno-nationalist.

this coming from the guy who thinks anyone who thinks even a smidgen of gun control is good wants to see him dead

the US government's history of gun control usually involves killing people

[Moscareinas]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

When is President Biden going to address the nation? This was clearly a terrorist attack and Joe dropped the ball by not addressing the nation tonight.

i'm a far-right terrorist

-I was radicalized on 4chan
-Decided i need to save the white race
-Do not have children
-Do not start political movement
-Do not contribute to the community
-Decide to commit a shooting
-Type of a manifesto naming dropping every website the feds want banned
-Use gear and weapons the feds want banned
-Ignore anti-white politicians
-Ignore anti-white billionaries
-Ignore federal buildings
-Ignore illegal immigrant sweatshops
-Drive to grocery store and kill normie randos
-Allow myself to be captured

Anyways, I can't wait for Joe Biden to address the nation and explain how to save the our democracy we need five more patriot acts, war with russia, and to end freedom of speech online

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... hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha you're blaming the feds for this shooting! you too! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Adamede]

Aye, but we've seen this sort of thig so much in the last 20 years that it's ceased to be a supreme tragedy. After Sandy Hook, everyone just sort of gave up since nothing could possibly be done to ensure it wouldn't happen again. Gun control measures are opposed by the same group of people who oppose improving mental healthcare and reducing mental health stigma in this society of ours. We honestly wouldn't need such stringent gun control measures if the mental health problem was even slightly worked on, but since neither can be improved, all we can do is sigh, shake our heads, and get back to life. People just have become numb to this shit anymore.

the man on the street can do little, the man in the halls of power can do more but choose not to

a speech and a strong push for the quick prosecution of the mass shooter and ratification of relevant laws will only strengthen biden's and the democratic party's election chances, were this a normal year

Depends on what those "relevant laws" would entail.

[Bear Stearns]

the only murderous tyranny i see has been from the republicans, especially during trump's singular term, so please spare us your "neoliberals are the real tyrants" claptrap when the people you've allied with are the ones clamping down whenever and wherever you have power

you will not get a job a think tank no matter how hard you lick the boot

[Prima Scriptura]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

When is President Biden going to address the nation? This was clearly a terrorist attack and Joe dropped the ball by not addressing the nation tonight.

i'm a far-right terrorist

-I was radicalized on 4chan
-Decided i need to save the white race
-Do not have children
-Do not start political movement
-Do not contribute to the community
-Decide to commit a shooting
-Type of a manifesto naming dropping every website the feds want banned
-Use gear and weapons the feds want banned
-Ignore anti-white politicians
-Ignore anti-white billionaries
-Ignore federal buildings
-Ignore illegal immigrant sweatshops
-Drive to grocery store and kill normie randos
-Allow myself to be captured

Anyways, I can't wait for Joe Biden to address the nation and explain how to save the our democracy we need five more patriot acts, war with russia, and to end freedom of speech online

And 9/11 was a inside job, right?

[Adamede]

Can we please stop talk about me?!

When is President Biden going to address the nation? This was clearly a terrorist attack and Joe dropped the ball by not addressing the nation tonight.

i'm a far-right terrorist

-I was radicalized on 4chan
-Decided i need to save the white race
-Do not have children
-Do not start political movement
-Do not contribute to the community
-Decide to commit a shooting
-Type of a manifesto naming dropping every website the feds want banned
-Use gear and weapons the feds want banned
-Ignore anti-white politicians
-Ignore anti-white billionaries
-Ignore federal buildings
-Ignore illegal immigrant sweatshops
-Drive to grocery store and kill normie randos
-Allow myself to be captured

Anyways, I can't wait for Joe Biden to address the nation and explain how to save the our democracy we need five more patriot acts, war with russia, and to end freedom of speech online

Lot easier to kill random unarmed people than the upper echelons of society who have round the clock protection.

[Bear Stearns]

i'm a far-right terrorist

-I was radicalized on 4chan
-Decided i need to save the white race
-Do not have children
-Do not start political movement
-Do not contribute to the community
-Decide to commit a shooting
-Type of a manifesto naming dropping every website the feds want banned
-Use gear and weapons the feds want banned
-Ignore anti-white politicians
-Ignore anti-white billionaries
-Ignore federal buildings
-Ignore illegal immigrant sweatshops
-Drive to grocery store and kill normie randos
-Allow myself to be captured

Anyways, I can't wait for Joe Biden to address the nation and explain how to save the our democracy we need five more patriot acts, war with russia, and to end freedom of speech online

And 9/11 was a inside job, right?

was it?