American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

[Izandai]

Or we could not do civil war. Like that's also an option. And a pretty good one IMHO.

If you want our nation to slide further into not so crypto fascism and dystopic capitalism maybe.

Violent revolution is not the only way to stop that from happening. It's not even the most effective way, not by a long shot.

[Port Caverton]

If you want our nation to slide further into not so crypto fascism and dystopic capitalism maybe.

Violent revolution is not the only way to stop that from happening. It's not even the most effective way, not by a long shot.

Have fun when the US becomes White China

[Washington Resistance Army]

If you want our nation to slide further into not so crypto fascism and dystopic capitalism maybe.

Violent revolution is not the only way to stop that from happening. It's not even the most effective way, not by a long shot.

By all means, tell us how you'd do it then.

[Sordhau]

Arms are literally vital to the revolution.

First we organize, then we seize the means of production, then we arm ourselves for the inevitable retaliation by the elite - who will not allow us to take back what they rightfully stole from us and will use all necessary force against us. Not arming would mean suicide and the end of the revolution before it even properly begins.

Or we could not do civil war. Like that's also an option. And a pretty good one IMHO.

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

[The Jamesian Republic]

Or we could not do civil war. Like that's also an option. And a pretty good one IMHO.

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

What about King or Gandhi style non violent resistance?

[Sordhau]

If you want our nation to slide further into not so crypto fascism and dystopic capitalism maybe.

Violent revolution is not the only way to stop that from happening. It's not even the most effective way, not by a long shot.

On the contrary: violent revolution has consistently proven to be the most reliable means of enacting regime change.

[Shrillland]

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

What about King or Gandhi style non violent resistance?

Certainly can work as long as the government doesn't decide to cut resisters down at every turn. That was the turning point in the struggle against South African Apartheid, for example.

[Izandai]

Violent revolution is not the only way to stop that from happening. It's not even the most effective way, not by a long shot.

By all means, tell us how you'd do it then.

Same way we did it two years ago. A coordinated effort to counter disinformation and shore up democratic institutions, and when necessary nonviolent protests to keep attention on important issues.

[Port Caverton]

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

What about King or Gandhi style non violent resistance?

Knowing the Reps, you will get waterboarded if you are even related to those peaceful protesters.

[Sordhau]

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

What about King or Gandhi style non violent resistance?

King was assassinated and we're still dealing with the issue of racism 60 years later.

Gandhi was also assassinated, couldn't keep India united, and the British only left because they couldn't afford to stay any longer - not because Gandhi convinced them to leave.

[Sordhau]

By all means, tell us how you'd do it then.

Same way we did it two years ago. A coordinated effort to counter disinformation and shore up democratic institutions, and when necessary nonviolent protests to keep attention on important issues.

We've been doing these things for decades and the problems have only gotten worse. It's time to change tactics.

[Shrillland]

By all means, tell us how you'd do it then.

Same way we did it two years ago. A coordinated effort to counter disinformation and shore up democratic institutions, and when necessary nonviolent protests to keep attention on important issues.

Alas, the Summer of Discontent was, realistically, only possible because of the mass unemployment of the times caused by the lockdowns coinciding with the anger at the system. Without that factor, the protests likely wouldn't have been so big outside the Twin Cities.

[Senkaku]

Violent revolution is not the only way to stop that from happening. It's not even the most effective way, not by a long shot.

By all means, tell us how you'd do it then.

No one has a plan to get us out of those things via a violent revolution either. The best current choices appear to be to continue on the current treadmill until the biosphere falls out from under us, to have the country violently crack up in an unpredictable and unmanageable way, or to have some kind of miracle technological breakthrough or benevolent aliens reset the horizon of possibilities.

[Izandai]

Or we could not do civil war. Like that's also an option. And a pretty good one IMHO.

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

Oh why do I even bother?

[Sordhau]

No one has a plan to get us out of those things via a violent revolution either.

Literally every Revolutionary Socialist does.

But thanks to decades of fearmongering by corporations we can't even get Americans to listen to trade unionists, let alone full-blown Socialists.

[Port Caverton]

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

Oh why do I even bother?

Have fun when the US becomes White China

[Aamayska]

AR-15s and other intermediate caliber semi-automatic rifles are used by people living in the rural south to keep their animals safe from coyotes and wild boars, the first of which tends to travel in packs that make small-magazine, large caliber hunting rifles quite inefficient, and the other of which needs multiple rounds to reliably put down. Both situations require a weapon with the ability to land decently-placed shots in quick succession, which requires the use of what most refer to as an "assault rifle". The nearest alternative is a tube-fed lever-action rifle, which might work well enough for boar but still doesn't solve the coyote problem.

Either way, they are perfectly valid and practical reasons for owning such weapons that don't involve fetishization or mass-murder of humans.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

What about King or Gandhi style non violent resistance?

Entirely unironically Gandhi's relevance in Indian independence is heavily overstated by virtually all sources nowadays. Indian independence was already more or less assured by the time of WW2, it was really just a matter of figuring out if it was going to be a dominion or wholly independent. You can also make a compelling case that the violent groups did more to hurry along the process than peaceful groups did.

By all means, tell us how you'd do it then.

Same way we did it two years ago. A coordinated effort to counter disinformation and shore up democratic institutions, and when necessary nonviolent protests to keep attention on important issues.

Do we live in the same timeline? None of that shit worked where I come from, Biden won solely because Trump's a moron who tanked his popularity time and again, and those same forces will likely take back the government in 2024.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Did getting fucked in the face by the entire American political establishment become virtuous ersumthing?

[Shrillland]

Peace is not an option when the alternative is oppression.

Oh why do I even bother?

It's all right. Plenty of us don't want violence and repression either. I only say that such things are coming because I see no conceivable way to get out of them with the environment we're in.

[The Jamesian Republic]

No one has a plan to get us out of those things via a violent revolution either.

Literally every Revolutionary Socialist does.

But thanks to decades of fearmongering by corporations we can't even get Americans to listen to trade unionists, let alone full-blown Socialists.

Some revolutionary socialists don’t want a full democracy.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Literally every Revolutionary Socialist does.

But thanks to decades of fearmongering by corporations we can't even get Americans to listen to trade unionists, let alone full-blown Socialists.

Some revolutionary socialists don’t want a full democracy.

how's that "democracy" working out for America?

[Port Caverton]

Literally every Revolutionary Socialist does.

But thanks to decades of fearmongering by corporations we can't even get Americans to listen to trade unionists, let alone full-blown Socialists.

Some revolutionary socialists don’t want a full democracy.

I think with all that has happened in the past few decades stalin-wannabes would be sent to the torture camp in cuba that we all know and love

[The Jamesian Republic]

Some revolutionary socialists don’t want a full democracy.

how's that "democracy" working out for America?

They don’t even want to implement and then further the democratization of America.

[Diopolis]

Or we could not do civil war. Like that's also an option. And a pretty good one IMHO.

If you want our nation to slide further into not so crypto fascism and dystopic capitalism maybe.

If it does anything about that process a civil war would accelerate it.