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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:18 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
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No.

RESTORE THE TUDEH PARTY

Or all three?


Only 1 and 3. If we nuke Iran then we can’t restore the party or seize the means.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:19 pm

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Rules are rules. if you don't meet the requirements your not on the ballot that simple.


"Democrats are corrupt."

"Then vote for someone who isn't corrupt."

"The corrupt ones made the rules so I can't."

"Rules are rules."


And the election commission should ignore the rules to appease you and allow those candidates on the ballot? There was a case in Michigan this year were five contenders were tossed from the Republican ballot because they did not meet the signature requirements. Many of them were fraudulent. Should the election commission allowed them to stay on the ballot or is it ok because they are Republicans?

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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:21 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Or all three?


Only 1 and 3. If we nuke Iran then we can’t restore the party or seize the means.

Just nuke military bases, storages and airports like MacArthur wanted.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:26 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Only 1 and 3. If we nuke Iran then we can’t restore the party or seize the means.

Just nuke military bases, storages and airports like MacArthur wanted.


No.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:26 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
"Democrats are corrupt."

"Then vote for someone who isn't corrupt."

"The corrupt ones made the rules so I can't."

"Rules are rules."


And the election commission should ignore the rules to appease you and allow those candidates on the ballot? There was a case in Michigan this year were five contenders were tossed from the Republican ballot because they did not meet the signature requirements. Many of them were fraudulent. Should the election commission allowed them to stay on the ballot or is it ok because they are Republicans?
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Thomasi wrote:If the GOP end our federal democracy in 2024 Jill Stein voters will be to blame. They were the nail in the coffin.


And the people will have gotten what they deserve. Trump's victory should have been overturned by the electoral college in 2016 and if his base didn't like it tough.

If I was Speaker I'd have shredded torn up ballots on the House Floor.

man i don't like trump as much as the next reasonable person but come on lumen pick a lane
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:28 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And the election commission should ignore the rules to appease you and allow those candidates on the ballot? There was a case in Michigan this year were five contenders were tossed from the Republican ballot because they did not meet the signature requirements. Many of them were fraudulent. Should the election commission allowed them to stay on the ballot or is it ok because they are Republicans?
San Lumen wrote:
And the people will have gotten what they deserve. Trump's victory should have been overturned by the electoral college in 2016 and if his base didn't like it tough.

If I was Speaker I'd have shredded torn up ballots on the House Floor.

man i don't like trump as much as the next reasonable person but come on lumen pick a lane


I think I asked a legit question.

Those tossed off the ballot did not meet the signature requirements.

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Postby Shazbotdom » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:28 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
"Democrats are corrupt."

"Then vote for someone who isn't corrupt."

"The corrupt ones made the rules so I can't."

"Rules are rules."


And the election commission should ignore the rules to appease you and allow those candidates on the ballot? There was a case in Michigan this year were five contenders were tossed from the Republican ballot because they did not meet the signature requirements. Many of them were fraudulent. Should the election commission allowed them to stay on the ballot or is it ok because they are Republicans?


I bet if they had the number of signatures were the same for Republicans, Democrats and 3rd Party Candidates, you'd see better candidates.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:29 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And the election commission should ignore the rules to appease you and allow those candidates on the ballot? There was a case in Michigan this year were five contenders were tossed from the Republican ballot because they did not meet the signature requirements. Many of them were fraudulent. Should the election commission allowed them to stay on the ballot or is it ok because they are Republicans?


I bet if they had the number of signatures were the same for Republicans, Democrats and 3rd Party Candidates, you'd see better candidates.


All candidates must get the same amount. You always submit more than the minimum because some will get tossed.
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:30 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:Just nuke military bases, storages and airports like MacArthur wanted.


No.

Nuke 'em.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:30 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
No.

Nuke 'em.


Are you barking mad?

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Postby Shazbotdom » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:
I bet if they had the number of signatures were the same for Republicans, Democrats and 3rd Party Candidates, you'd see better candidates.


All candidates must get the same amount. You always submit more than the minimum because some will get tossed.


That's a lie. In many states, 3rd Party candidates need to get easily 3 or 4 times the number of Republicans and Democrats.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:31 pm

Thomasi wrote:
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No. No, they weren't. Your thesis defies basic mathematics.


In MI WI and PA the green vote out did the difference between Trump and Hillary. Losing her the election.


And the Libertarian and Constitution Party vote out did the difference by a much larger margin, which meant Trump would've won no matter what. In fact, he also would've won several more states and the popular votes if all the major third parties get counted.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:33 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
All candidates must get the same amount. You always submit more than the minimum because some will get tossed.


That's a lie. In many states, 3rd Party candidates need to get easily 3 or 4 times the number of Republicans and Democrats.


Ok. Those in power made the rules. Don't like them vote for people who will change them.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:34 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Thomasi wrote:
In MI WI and PA the green vote out did the difference between Trump and Hillary. Losing her the election.


And the Libertarian and Constitution Party vote out did the difference by a much larger margin, which meant Trump would've won no matter what. In fact, he also would've won several more states and the popular votes if all the major third parties get counted.

Which would he have won?

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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shazbotdom wrote:
That's a lie. In many states, 3rd Party candidates need to get easily 3 or 4 times the number of Republicans and Democrats.


Ok. Those in power made the rules. Don't like them vote for people who will change them.


But people like you prevent them from even being on the ballot...

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Postby Shazbotdom » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
And the Libertarian and Constitution Party vote out did the difference by a much larger margin, which meant Trump would've won no matter what. In fact, he also would've won several more states and the popular votes if all the major third parties get counted.

Which would he have won?


They easily would have closed the gap in Georgia. Hell, the Libertarians themselves had more than enough votes that if they somehow voted for Trump (which is ridiculous to think that they would, because they wouldn't), he would have won Georgia by at least 300 votes.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:39 pm

American Legionaries wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Ok. Those in power made the rules. Don't like them vote for people who will change them.


But people like you prevent them from even being on the ballot...


I didn't make the rules. all candidates should have to get the same number of signatures.

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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
And the Libertarian and Constitution Party vote out did the difference by a much larger margin, which meant Trump would've won no matter what. In fact, he also would've won several more states and the popular votes if all the major third parties get counted.

Which would he have won?


Maine, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, and New Mexico on top of the three crucial states.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:39 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Which would he have won?


They easily would have closed the gap in Georgia. Hell, the Libertarians themselves had more than enough votes that if they somehow voted for Trump (which is ridiculous to think that they would, because they wouldn't), he would have won Georgia by at least 300 votes.


We were talking 2016 not 2020.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:40 pm

Shrillland wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Which would he have won?


Maine, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, and New Mexico on top of the three crucial states.


The electoral college could have prevented his victory by overturning the result but instead they chose to be partisan hacks.
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
Maine, Minnesota, Nevada, New Hampshire, and New Mexico on top of the three crucial states.


The electoral college could have prevented his victory by overturning the result but instead they chose to be partisan hacks.


They did what the voters of the states did, can't expect more than that.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:44 pm

Shrillland wrote:
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The electoral college could have prevented his victory by overturning the result but instead they chose to be partisan hacks.


They did what the voters of the states did, can't expect more than that.


They were never intended to be a rubber stamp. They could have decided to vote the other way but instead they chose blind loyalty to an evil wicked man. If I was Speaker I'd have shredded Trump's ballots on the House floor.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Thomasi wrote:If the GOP end our federal democracy in 2024 Jill Stein voters will be to blame. They were the nail in the coffin.


And the people will have gotten what they deserve. Trump's victory should have been overturned by the electoral college in 2016 and if his base didn't like it tough.

If I was Speaker I'd have shredded torn up ballots on the House Floor.

Because it's only a coup when the other side does it. *nods*
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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:47 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
"Democrats are corrupt."

"Then vote for someone who isn't corrupt."

"The corrupt ones made the rules so I can't."

"Rules are rules."


And the election commission should ignore the rules to appease you and allow those candidates on the ballot? There was a case in Michigan this year were five contenders were tossed from the Republican ballot because they did not meet the signature requirements. Many of them were fraudulent. Should the election commission allowed them to stay on the ballot or is it ok because they are Republicans?


What? Are you insinuating I'm a Republican because I'm disagreeing with you?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:49 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
And the people will have gotten what they deserve. Trump's victory should have been overturned by the electoral college in 2016 and if his base didn't like it tough.

If I was Speaker I'd have shredded torn up ballots on the House Floor.

Because it's only a coup when the other side does it. *nods*


They wouldn’t have been a coup.

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