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American Politics XII: We Can Do Bad All By Ourselves

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Daniel-Franklin
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Well, I for one voted in both those elections.


If only every state was as blue as California.


Yes, because the reason that we don't have change is the lack of Democratic politicians in office, and not the utter lack of principle in many of those same politicians who are wholly owned by their corporate donors. :roll:
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:38 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
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Music bands are political commentators now too?

Their guitarist has a degree in political science from Harvard...

I mean, aside from that band being political at inception. Not sure what you thought the machine they were raging against was. But then Paul Ryan tried to be relatable by saying he was a fan of the band prompting them to stress that Paul Ryan was part of the machine they were raging against.


I’m am always fascinating how people think musicians don’t know anything. Some of the best computer science people I have known had music degrees. The guy who created Perl is a violinist and used to play at big events……
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Daniel-Franklin
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:42 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Their guitarist has a degree in political science from Harvard...

I mean, aside from that band being political at inception. Not sure what you thought the machine they were raging against was. But then Paul Ryan tried to be relatable by saying he was a fan of the band prompting them to stress that Paul Ryan was part of the machine they were raging against.


I’m am always fascinating how people think musicians don’t know anything. Some of the best computer science people I have know had music degrees. The guy who created Perl is a violinist and used to play at big events……


Brian May from Queen is also an astrophysicist. The man is quite literally a rocket scientist. Just sayin'
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American Legionaries
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
American Legionaries wrote:
Well, I for one voted in both those elections.


If only every state was as blue as California.


Ew...

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:44 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I've been called antifa because I pointed out that EV battery packs are in fact recyclable.


Really?

Not here, in the bitter wastelands known as...the comments section.
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Cannot think of a name
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 11, 2022 5:49 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Their guitarist has a degree in political science from Harvard...

I mean, aside from that band being political at inception. Not sure what you thought the machine they were raging against was. But then Paul Ryan tried to be relatable by saying he was a fan of the band prompting them to stress that Paul Ryan was part of the machine they were raging against.


I’m am always fascinating how people think musicians don’t know anything. Some of the best computer science people I have know had music degrees. The guy who created Perl is a violinist and used to play at big events……

The bass player from Oingo Boingo is/was a math professor at one of the colleges I attended.

I know rock gets reduced to 'three chords and a dream' but it takes discipline, study, and persistence to be a musician which can sometimes be applied to other aspects of their lives. And sometimes they're just lucky idiots. Kind of like, basically, everyone.
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Postby Free Algerstonia » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:30 pm

tomorrow, jfk jr is going to be resurrected
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:32 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:tomorrow, jfk jr is going to be resurrected

and i will propose to bushy
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:33 pm

Daniel-Franklin wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
If only every state was as blue as California.


Yes, because the reason that we don't have change is the lack of Democratic politicians in office, and not the utter lack of principle in many of those same politicians who are wholly owned by their corporate donors. :roll:


Then vote for people who won’t take their money.

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Daniel-Franklin
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Postby Daniel-Franklin » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:
Yes, because the reason that we don't have change is the lack of Democratic politicians in office, and not the utter lack of principle in many of those same politicians who are wholly owned by their corporate donors. :roll:


Then vote for people who won’t take their money.


Yes, because that only starts before they run for and are elected to office.
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The Jamesian Republic
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:39 pm

Free Algerstonia wrote:tomorrow, jfk jr is going to be resurrected


This is blasphemy.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:54 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Daniel-Franklin wrote:
Yes, because the reason that we don't have change is the lack of Democratic politicians in office, and not the utter lack of principle in many of those same politicians who are wholly owned by their corporate donors. :roll:


Then vote for people who won’t take their money.


Democrats in my state blocked that guy from getting on the ballot, what then?
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Postby American Legionaries » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:00 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then vote for people who won’t take their money.


Democrats in my state blocked that guy from getting on the ballot, what then?


Vote for the Democrat, duh.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:02 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then vote for people who won’t take their money.


Democrats in my state blocked that guy from getting on the ballot, what then?

Vote harder.
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Postby Ancient Samaria » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:06 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then vote for people who won’t take their money.


Democrats in my state blocked that guy from getting on the ballot, what then?


Yeah, there are no more clean Democrats or Republicans. Only third-party candidates are clean.
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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Democrats in my state blocked that guy from getting on the ballot, what then?

Vote harder.


Or seize the means of production./s
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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:12 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Vote harder.


Or seize the means of production./s

or nuke iran
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Postby Thomasi » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:12 pm

If the GOP end our federal democracy in 2024 Jill Stein voters will be to blame. They were the nail in the coffin.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:12 pm

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Then vote for people who won’t take their money.


Democrats in my state blocked that guy from getting on the ballot, what then?


Rules are rules. if you don't meet the requirements your not on the ballot that simple.

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Postby The Jamesian Republic » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:13 pm

Port Caverton wrote:
The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Or seize the means of production./s

or nuke iran


No.

RESTORE THE TUDEH PARTY
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Postby Shrillland » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:13 pm

Thomasi wrote:If the GOP end our federal democracy in 2024 Jill Stein voters will be to blame. They were the nail in the coffin.


No. No, they weren't. Your thesis defies basic mathematics.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:14 pm

Thomasi wrote:If the GOP end our federal democracy in 2024 Jill Stein voters will be to blame. They were the nail in the coffin.


And the people will have gotten what they deserve. Trump's victory should have been overturned by the electoral college in 2016 and if his base didn't like it tough.

If I was Speaker I'd have shredded torn up ballots on the House Floor.
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Postby Thomasi » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:14 pm

Shrillland wrote:
Thomasi wrote:If the GOP end our federal democracy in 2024 Jill Stein voters will be to blame. They were the nail in the coffin.


No. No, they weren't. Your thesis defies basic mathematics.


In MI WI and PA the green vote out did the difference between Trump and Hillary. Losing her the election.

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Postby Rusozak » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:16 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Democrats in my state blocked that guy from getting on the ballot, what then?


Rules are rules. if you don't meet the requirements your not on the ballot that simple.


"Democrats are corrupt."

"Then vote for someone who isn't corrupt."

"The corrupt ones made the rules so I can't."

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Postby Port Caverton » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:16 pm

The Jamesian Republic wrote:
Port Caverton wrote:or nuke iran


No.

RESTORE THE TUDEH PARTY

Or all three?
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